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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 18:07:20
July 30 2012 18:06 GMT
#61
Balance whining is so prevalent among SC2 progamers it seems kind of pointless to single out one guy for doing so

I miss the BW days when everyone laughed at artosis for being such a baby

I didn't even follow foreign BW, but it was still funny
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
July 30 2012 20:00 GMT
#62
On July 30 2012 12:47 Pokebunny wrote:
I hope Keen loses to VortiX. I don't like when Koreans treat foreigners like they suck

VortiX is good, but I think it's fair to say that KeeN is at a different level. Koreans in general actually are just better.
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
July 30 2012 20:06 GMT
#63
dat racism KeeN xD
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
July 30 2012 20:08 GMT
#64
On July 31 2012 05:00 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 12:47 Pokebunny wrote:
I hope Keen loses to VortiX. I don't like when Koreans treat foreigners like they suck

VortiX is good, but I think it's fair to say that KeeN is at a different level. Koreans in general actually are just better.


Although KeeN isn't the right person to say something like that since he has lost to foreigners but i get that he's just joking. I think?
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
July 30 2012 20:52 GMT
#65
On July 31 2012 05:08 Waterflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 05:00 The Final Boss wrote:
On July 30 2012 12:47 Pokebunny wrote:
I hope Keen loses to VortiX. I don't like when Koreans treat foreigners like they suck

VortiX is good, but I think it's fair to say that KeeN is at a different level. Koreans in general actually are just better.


Although KeeN isn't the right person to say something like that since he has lost to foreigners but i get that he's just joking. I think?

I think it's fair to say that people lose for a lot of reasons (both in StarCraft and other competitions), but in StarCraft those reasons are harder to see. Then people just claim "Well Player X beat Player Y so X>Y."

Let's have an example outside of StarCraft:
Rosol beat Nadal at the most recent Wimbledon, but nobody is going to start claiming that Rosol is somehow better than Nadal. People will claim that that loss was because of multiple reasons such as Nadal's physical condition and his mental state leading into the fifth set. We know about these other things because there are more interviews, information about Nadal's life, and his opinions in regards to why he lost. But in general, when you are talking about who is more skilled in the world of tennis, you do not point at who won a specific match, but who has better results over all. Ranked 100 Rosol played really well and Nadal played really poorly; those two events happened to coincide on the same day and the upset of the year happened. Even when you talk about a player winning a finals of a tournament, it's not just the fact that that player won the finals, it's also the fact that they made it that far in the tournament.

So I think it's fair to say that in StarCraft, when we are talking about who is the better player, rather than looking at single matches, we should look at overall results. KeeN has managed to survive and play in the GSL for longer than any foreigner ever has. He may not be the best Korean, but he is better than just about every foreigner excluding a select few, especially in this format.

So KeeN lost to a couple of foreigners in a small tourament, that happens. Champions lose games and sets to people who are not better than them. Regardless of how serious KeeN is, he is a lot better than VortiX and basically the entire foreign community. So yes he's a bit cocky but it's not like it's not somehow justified by his results.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
July 30 2012 22:13 GMT
#66
Naniwa doesn't know the meaning of sportsmanship, it's pretty sad, the series was boring coming from Naniwa, he basically did the same overall strategy every game, he looked like he never planned for any emergency late late game transition if his 3 base timings failed, and his mid game harass had variety but no substance. Crying about the race was straight up pathetic.
OSM.OneManArmy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States509 Posts
July 30 2012 22:57 GMT
#67
LOLOLOL KEEN SUCH A BALLER
Kas and KEEN FIGHTING WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 3-0 3-0
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CaF-Lunar
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 23:07:46
July 30 2012 23:05 GMT
#68
I don´t like Keen, hope Vortix will 3-0 him including mass overseer nydus trolling.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 30 2012 23:08 GMT
#69
The best way to prevent Koreans from saying foreigners suck....is to not suck.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
July 30 2012 23:09 GMT
#70
It seems that whenever a korean tells the truth (or at least approximate truth) about foreigners and their skill level in comparison to koreans, people's panties are bunched.

He only said one thing that was kind of derogatory towards foreigners. Chill.

(who did a great job casting the matches, I might add)
memes are a dish best served dank
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
July 30 2012 23:30 GMT
#71
Yes it is absolutely hilarious to see how mad some people get over a little interview. I love it. =D

I don't think I would mind if Kas beat Life though. Kas is one of the hardest working foreigners so it would be nice to see him do decently, but then of course I want to see him crushed by Squirtle (assuming he beats Curious, which he should). =P
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Byo
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada206 Posts
July 30 2012 23:49 GMT
#72
Honestly, Keen's interview was fine, he 3-0'd his opponent, what else did you expect him to say? fluff? he is entitled to his opinion,

On the other hand life's interview almost shoves all of the credit for being down 0-2 on to race imbalances and none to elfi.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
July 31 2012 01:11 GMT
#73
On July 30 2012 19:30 Incognoto wrote:
Jrecco following Stephano's footsteps? lots of upsets with that fellow


Yes, I was thinking something similar. He has excellent army control, like Stephano and seems to have good game sense. The first series I remember seeing of Stephano was against MMA in the IPL 3 qualifier, and I was like --- this guy is clearly a genius; I didn't quite have that reaction with Jrecco but it was close to it; he hasn't played that much (to my knowledge) and beat a top 10 protoss convincingly (against zerg, probably higher up the Protoss ladder if you take into account his other matchups). He has a bright future ahead of him.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
July 31 2012 01:25 GMT
#74
On July 30 2012 22:39 MadNeSs wrote:
Life is such a huge whiner lol. He keeps saying that toss is imba rofl, if he looked at his own games, it just him that sucks. His series against Elfi was hilarious. It was like watching GSL Season 2 again!


I think that Koreans take balance whining a little less seriously than foreigners do. I recall when MKP and MC called Stephano v Sound at HSC4 and all they did was complain about how imbalanced everything is in a mostly joking way. The only person I've heard say another race needs help is Stephano.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
July 31 2012 02:44 GMT
#75
Manners aside, what I take from the interviews with the koreans is that they do not follow the foreign scene whatsoever. I can understand it in a way. Many of them are teenagers, and most of the rest barely 20, and they spend almost all of their time with their team preparing for the GSL or GSTL, or maybe the occasional korean weekly. No time or interest left over to follow foreigners. And the "He is not one of the 5-10 foreigners I have heard of, so he is probably bad enough that I don't have to prepare" argument is probably accurate in most of the cases.

Still a bit sad to hear, and makes me a bit less inclined to cheer for them in their attempts to steal the money from the foreign tournaments.
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
July 31 2012 04:05 GMT
#76
I love Kas' attitude about going against nonforeigners
iClosed
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden13 Posts
July 31 2012 08:53 GMT
#77
Gogo Kas!
Im not mr Lebowski, im the dude!
Kiwiandapple
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium240 Posts
July 31 2012 09:57 GMT
#78
On July 30 2012 23:52 Chill wrote:
I like JonnyRecco a lot more after that interview. I really like players that take full advantage of the TSL format to study against their opponent. That was a huge win.


You are a huge win too sweetypie!
But yes, I love it when players are completely serious about it, .. it's the TSL, keen should not take it to easy.
Don't worry, that's halo!
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
July 31 2012 11:40 GMT
#79
VortiX should watch Keen vs Stephano Dreamhack VODs, easy prep.
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
July 31 2012 12:04 GMT
#80
Stephen Hawking's best interview ever. Also Keen layin' down the truth ^^
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
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