On March 01 2010 13:44 jalstar wrote:
Note that I forgive the mistake. I just think this is a really shitty "apology" (and Carnac didn't apologize at all)

Unfortunately TL doesn't have a PR department and most of the staff probably feels exhausted from the event and defensive since of course they have sponsors. Perhaps they feel they shouldn't apologize when they are donating their time in the first place.

Of course apologizing is the professional thing to do and in no way demeans or places blame on anyone personally. For example, I told one of my friends to view the stream today and will probably apologize to him on TL's behalf simply because I'm a member of this site.

Kennigit

Canada19447 Posts

March 01 2010 05:17 GMT

#43

It's not about donating time or sponsors - we go well out of our way to explain the technical issues that lead/led to delays or instances. If what we've written isn't good enough for you, then i really don't care. I think constructive feedback is important, and did affect change throughout the tournament. If you read through all these threads/posts and go "you didn't say sorry", then i'm sorry but you really don't belong here.

triangle

United States3803 Posts

March 01 2010 05:28 GMT

#44

I would have been more sympathetic to the idea of a cover up if the cover up was remotely plausible, but I guess there weren't many plausible explanations to choose from. :/

I almost would have preferred that you straight up lied "To everyone saying it's + Show Spoiler +

4-2

, you're wrong. Shut up." And post brackets. That would have been audacious enough to convince people.

I saw the spoiler and rolled my eyes at the "anti-spoiler" post

The real people who screwed this up were the idiots who posted the spoiler... gah...

Alphonsse

United States518 Posts

March 01 2010 05:30 GMT

#45

I just wish the posts that had the spoiler in them were deleted on sight. I was browsing the discussion forum while the stream was down and happened to see a post with the result in it, then zatic replied to it saying "No". This seemed weird to me at the time and I really wish instead of denying it it would have just been erased.

danl9rm

United States3111 Posts

March 01 2010 05:48 GMT

#46

I missed the first part of the stream due to being in town -.- BUT I was not spoiled at all and I had a great experience with the tournament.

Thank you TSL STAFF!!!!!

Cauld

United States350 Posts

March 01 2010 06:46 GMT

#47

I couldn't connect to the stream so I checked the thread. Luckily I'm a patient person, so I waited a while. I also only looked at the final page of the thread. Someone posted that it had been been spoiled, but they were considerate enough not to quote or spoil it themselves. So while I knew that the results had been spoiled, they hadn't been spoiled for me. I missed all the pregame talk, but got on the stream right after the first game had started, it was not ideal (I like pre-game talk), but great nonetheless.

Also, I want to point out that the stream itself worked great today. Once it was up and running it only paused once for a couple seconds. The audio worked, the post tournament interview worked. There was no audio dropped problems. The casters were great and sounded good. The volume levels were consistent (usually the bracket song is louder than everything else). Video quality was high. All in all a great cast. Thanks to everyone who helped make it happen.

EDEdDNEdDYFaN

United States40 Posts

March 01 2010 07:06 GMT

#48

all in all i think tarson deserves an apology for the ironic situation the TSL admins have found themselves in

Deleted User 55994

949 Posts

March 01 2010 07:18 GMT

#49

I saw the spoilers and unfortunately I stopped watching after the first 2 games as it was kind of ruined for me. Regardless, i'm not complaining, it's not like I was paying to watch the TSL (even though I would've). Your decision was definitely right. I'm sure 95% of people watching had no idea what the results were. Understanding that the TSL isn't exactly run by major TV station or something makes it pretty easy to see how these things happen... actually, they happen for them too (poweroutage).

Alphonsse

United States518 Posts

March 01 2010 07:19 GMT

#50

On March 01 2010 16:06 EDEdDNEdDYFaN wrote:
all in all i think tarson deserves an apology for the ironic situation the TSL admins have found themselves in

Not really, the finals incident was an accident, while Tarson actually went out of his way to make a forum post about it.

QuothTheRaven

United States5524 Posts

March 01 2010 07:23 GMT

#51

I wasn't spoiled, but it sounds like you made the right call given the situation.

deL

Australia5540 Posts

March 01 2010 07:34 GMT

#52

I dunno who would complain but it's pretty immature - you really have no right when it wasn't a lack of quality or ability on TL's behalf but a genuine human error. Random mistakes can never be helped and it wasn't for a lack of effort or professionalism on behalf of the TL staff; just forget you saw it or assume it was a fake bracket and enjoy the show anyway.

Kiante

Australia7069 Posts

March 01 2010 07:41 GMT

#53

I was lucky, i had the stream in the background waiting for audio. Saw spam on IRC someone sail spoilers, so i just minimized it and kept watching. TSL was awesome. Staff were awesome. People who enjoy ruining shit for everyone else by spreading spoilers should DIAF. Glad to see some of them got banned (reading the LR in hindsight)

preacha

Norway210 Posts

March 01 2010 08:15 GMT

#54

agree with the decision

and i saw the whole stream, from start to finish. and i didnt even register the "spoil" xD

but, the finals where epic, game 2 on andro, WOW! damn, gotta give props to the players, tl and pokerstrategy for giving us the opportunity of watching such a high-lvl tournament! :D

Niton

United States2395 Posts

March 01 2010 09:14 GMT

#55

On March 01 2010 16:19 Alphonsse wrote:

Show nested quote +

Not really, the finals incident was an accident, while Tarson actually went out of his way to make a forum post about it.

Let's go halfway - Carnac gives back half of his prize money from this TSL and the whole thing goes away.

jdr_

United States78 Posts

March 01 2010 12:02 GMT

#56

What's hilarious to me is I distinctly remember seeing that bracket, and I was so interested in looking at the earlier rounds that I didn't see casted, like the ro36 and stuff, that my eyes never wandered over to the finals. I just presumed the grand finals result was blank and was trying to figure out if nony had played and PVZ's yet in the ro36 or w/e

nepeta

1872 Posts

March 01 2010 12:24 GMT

#57

Well, shit happens, and I'd like to see anyone come up with a better explanation that fast, with 15k+ people looking at it, ready to skin you from their moms' basements ^^

Still think you've done a hell of a job TL

Taly

Germany29 Posts

March 01 2010 14:27 GMT

#58

ive seen the spoiler too but it was no big deal since ive got it wrong and thought 4-2 mondi xD

so in the end it got thrilling too :D

Ota Solgryn

Denmark2011 Posts

March 01 2010 15:08 GMT

#59

I came into game two, so didnt know the spoiler. However I was on the IRC chat and some people where saying the results, but I thought "yeah yeah another noob trying to get attention". But then he was banned and I thought "hmm, maybe he actually knew the result". But still think it was the right decision.

Promises

Netherlands1821 Posts

March 01 2010 15:12 GMT

#60

I got home too late so I switched the stream on at the start of the third game, and I was blisfully unaware of any spoiler, and watched the nailbiting final purely, and enjoyed it immensly. Well handled, and thanks for a great (and that word doesnt quite do enough justice) tournament.