• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:01
CEST 12:01
KST 19:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202532Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder8EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced38BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Serral wins EWC 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 579 users

[Spoilers] IdrA on TSL - Page 7

Forum Index > TSL2 Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 16 Next All
bigjmachine
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States314 Posts
February 16 2010 12:22 GMT
#121
Thanks for this interview
ㅈㅈ
ToT)SiLeNcE(
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany590 Posts
February 16 2010 12:32 GMT
#122
The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that").

In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with...
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
February 16 2010 12:40 GMT
#123
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that").

In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with...


thats the mindset i bet against

thank you
why so 진지해?
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
February 16 2010 13:06 GMT
#124
Omg i have to afraid to even watch
I Can Fly...
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
February 16 2010 13:09 GMT
#125
thanks, watching now!

P.S i didnt get/never got that virus warning message
HEY MEYT
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
February 16 2010 13:10 GMT
#126
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that").

In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with...

its probably the polar opposite to mondis mindset, maybe thats why he doesnt like him and thinks Sen is a better player. He just cant appreciate/acknowledge that part of SC.
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 16 2010 13:12 GMT
#127
Really impressed with Idra in that interview. +1 fan

I'd say he's got a pretty damn good mindset for sc and has done enough 1 fact fe's to know what he's talking about. Out of curiousity how does "SC work" ToT)Silence(?
Yhamm is the god of predictions
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 16 2010 13:13 GMT
#128
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that").

In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with...

no. thats how things COULD have gone had i done that, past tense. just an analysis of the games that i mentioned cuz i found it kinda funny that i usually get shit for playing conventionally and that i lost this series in part because i used some non standard builds.
obviously hindsight is 20 20 and nony came out ahead in the mind games. its not like im claiming i shouldve won, it was my choice to use those builds and it was a bad one. theres no harm in looking back on the series and pointing out what could have happened had i approached it differently. in fact its productive to do so because how else are you gonna learn from your mistakes.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 16 2010 13:14 GMT
#129
On February 16 2010 22:10 damenmofa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that").

In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with...

its probably the polar opposite to mondis mindset, maybe thats why he doesnt like him and thinks Sen is a better player. He just cant appreciate/acknowledge that part of SC.

you have no clue what mondis mindset is because he lies through his teeth in every interview
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
February 16 2010 13:19 GMT
#130
interview was very nice, thanks artosis + idra
HEY MEYT
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
February 16 2010 13:21 GMT
#131
On February 16 2010 22:14 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 22:10 damenmofa wrote:
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that").

In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with...

its probably the polar opposite to mondis mindset, maybe thats why he doesnt like him and thinks Sen is a better player. He just cant appreciate/acknowledge that part of SC.

you have no clue what mondis mindset is because he lies through his teeth in every interview

no I dont think so, he is a very fun and clever guy and I believe him when he says the things he says. He has a pretty strategical/improvising style and there is no reason for me not to believe him cus frankly, he doesnt like bettering mechanics/practicing all day. What you see from him in his games corresponds with my impressions from his interviews and his RL decisions (not coming to korea to practice all day for example).
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
ToT)SiLeNcE(
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany590 Posts
February 16 2010 13:22 GMT
#132
On February 16 2010 22:13 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that").

In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with...

no. thats how things COULD have gone had i done that, past tense. just an analysis of the games that i mentioned cuz i found it kinda funny that i usually get shit for playing conventionally and that i lost this series in part because i used some non standard builds.
obviously hindsight is 20 20 and nony came out ahead in the mind games. its not like im claiming i shouldve won, it was my choice to use those builds and it was a bad one. theres no harm in looking back on the series and pointing out what could have happened had i approached it differently. in fact its productive to do so because how else are you gonna learn from your mistakes.


I didn't mean to be harsh and I agree with you that post-game analysis is very important. I also (strongly) agree with the general statement that with conventional fe builds you would have fared much better. However I disagree with bold statements like "I would have won 3-1", and that's exactly what you said in the interview. There is no way of telling how those games would have gone, and that's my point...

It's like I don't have any problem with the "I'm gonna 3-0 him" statement before, as that is part of the general trash-talk that you are known (and in fact loved) for. However after a loss like that one, it just doesn't feel right to me to throw "I am the better player, under normal circumstances I would have won" into the face of every player you lose to.
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 13:27:08
February 16 2010 13:24 GMT
#133
idra did well, idra did what could be did given the circumstances, man it reminds me of the recent snowboarding cross in vancouver. Such a steal by the american after the canadian hit the slope a tad to early, almost as if to cancel his cc?! yep. gj idra nice interview! and no dwelling on that either!
joined TL.net in 2006 (aka GMer) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41944#2
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
February 16 2010 13:34 GMT
#134
Thanks for the interview.

What I am really dieing for is Idra's rep pack though!

And I have yet to win a game after canceling my 1st cc by mistake
WaveMotion
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States147 Posts
February 16 2010 13:36 GMT
#135
Idra should have won this tsl...
In heaven, everything is fine.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 16 2010 13:38 GMT
#136
On February 16 2010 22:22 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 22:13 IdrA wrote:
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that").

In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with...

no. thats how things COULD have gone had i done that, past tense. just an analysis of the games that i mentioned cuz i found it kinda funny that i usually get shit for playing conventionally and that i lost this series in part because i used some non standard builds.
obviously hindsight is 20 20 and nony came out ahead in the mind games. its not like im claiming i shouldve won, it was my choice to use those builds and it was a bad one. theres no harm in looking back on the series and pointing out what could have happened had i approached it differently. in fact its productive to do so because how else are you gonna learn from your mistakes.


I didn't mean to be harsh and I agree with you that post-game analysis is very important. I also (strongly) agree with the general statement that with conventional fe builds you would have fared much better. However I disagree with bold statements like "I would have won 3-1", and that's exactly what you said in the interview. There is no way of telling how those games would have gone, and that's my point...

It's like I don't have any problem with the "I'm gonna 3-0 him" statement before, as that is part of the general trash-talk that you are known (and in fact loved) for. However after a loss like that one, it just doesn't feel right to me to throw "I am the better player, under normal circumstances I would have won" into the face of every player you lose to.

you agree that conventional fe builds would have fared better, but then assume im saying im the better player by saying i think it would have been a 3-1? its not a comment on how good nony is, but on the fact that fac cc ebay would have been strong vs the builds he did in the 2nd and 3rd sets.
obviously im not saying a 3-1 was guaranteed had i only gone fac cc, nothing is guaranteed in sc and i didnt think i had to throw in a whole bunch of disclaimers to make that clear.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Zplut
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany90 Posts
February 16 2010 13:46 GMT
#137
On February 16 2010 22:38 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 22:22 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
On February 16 2010 22:13 IdrA wrote:
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:
The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that").

In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with...

no. thats how things COULD have gone had i done that, past tense. just an analysis of the games that i mentioned cuz i found it kinda funny that i usually get shit for playing conventionally and that i lost this series in part because i used some non standard builds.
obviously hindsight is 20 20 and nony came out ahead in the mind games. its not like im claiming i shouldve won, it was my choice to use those builds and it was a bad one. theres no harm in looking back on the series and pointing out what could have happened had i approached it differently. in fact its productive to do so because how else are you gonna learn from your mistakes.


I didn't mean to be harsh and I agree with you that post-game analysis is very important. I also (strongly) agree with the general statement that with conventional fe builds you would have fared much better. However I disagree with bold statements like "I would have won 3-1", and that's exactly what you said in the interview. There is no way of telling how those games would have gone, and that's my point...

It's like I don't have any problem with the "I'm gonna 3-0 him" statement before, as that is part of the general trash-talk that you are known (and in fact loved) for. However after a loss like that one, it just doesn't feel right to me to throw "I am the better player, under normal circumstances I would have won" into the face of every player you lose to.

you agree that conventional fe builds would have fared better, but then assume im saying im the better player by saying i think it would have been a 3-1? its not a comment on how good nony is, but on the fact that fac cc ebay would have been strong vs the builds he did in the 2nd and 3rd sets.
obviously im not saying a 3-1 was guaranteed had i only gone fac cc, nothing is guaranteed in sc and i didnt think i had to throw in a whole bunch of disclaimers to make that clear.

Strange thing people misunderstood that after your polite prediction
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 16 2010 14:02 GMT
#138
hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 16 2010 14:05 GMT
#139
Nice, Idra seems less devastated by the loss than I am as a fan.

Thanks for the interview!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 14:10:48
February 16 2010 14:08 GMT
#140
wtb IdrA for having the patience to defend yourself in this thread
✌
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 59m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5761
ggaemo 2421
Horang2 1837
Larva 712
Jaedong 556
Bisu 485
Nal_rA 415
firebathero 370
BeSt 295
TY 277
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 248
Zeus 214
Mong 190
hero 113
PianO 105
Killer 84
Soma 75
ZerO 40
Sacsri 29
sorry 27
Rush 26
ToSsGirL 24
Free 21
Sharp 20
Bale 11
Hm[arnc] 9
Dota 2
XaKoH 424
XcaliburYe213
ODPixel118
League of Legends
JimRising 399
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2030
ScreaM1925
Stewie2K821
shoxiejesuss730
Super Smash Bros
Westballz40
Other Games
singsing1522
ceh9623
Happy338
crisheroes225
SortOf157
rGuardiaN23
DeMusliM14
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 25
• davetesta18
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV278
• lizZardDota285
Upcoming Events
WardiTV European League
5h 59m
MaNa vs NightPhoenix
ByuN vs YoungYakov
ShoWTimE vs Nicoract
Harstem vs ArT
Korean StarCraft League
16h 59m
CranKy Ducklings
23h 59m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 1h
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs TBD
WardiTV European League
1d 5h
Shameless vs MaxPax
HeRoMaRinE vs SKillous
Online Event
1d 7h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.