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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43210 Posts
July 26 2016 21:02 GMT
#55501
On July 27 2016 05:23 opisska wrote:
After KwarK declared he´s not gonna mod anyone in the US politics thread (an exceptionally sound decision, I would say), KBB quickly brought the hammer himself. So now we are at the point where the Americans actually need Germans to clear their mess, who would have said that a couple of decades ago

I still don´t know what is that KBB does so special, but he really is one of the few active mods on TL I have no bad feelings for.

It's not a binding thing, I may at some point in the future take some kind of action if I feel it appropriate. It's more just a general disinclination to shit where I eat and the knowledge that were I to try and impose order on that topic I would be more zealous than I ought to be.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 26 2016 21:05 GMT
#55502
You have to admit, you're not immune to shitposting in that thread either.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
July 26 2016 21:18 GMT
#55503
Politics apparently have a weird influence on everybody, my advice is to just stay out of it because you're not going to convince anybody of anything anyway. Only thing that happens is that you're going to get upset on the internet and maybe get banned.
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
July 26 2016 21:21 GMT
#55504
Talking politics through a medium like this forum is less about convincing others and more about convincing one's self with the threat of a ban overhead
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
July 26 2016 21:21 GMT
#55505
Well you're next
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
July 26 2016 21:23 GMT
#55506
Justice is justice, after all.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
July 26 2016 21:34 GMT
#55507
On July 27 2016 06:23 farvacola wrote:
Justice is justice, after all.

"Justice is an illusion." - Xander
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 26 2016 21:56 GMT
#55508
I mostly post there for my own amusement. If it stops being an interesting discussion I walk away. There is nothing to be proven from this form of discussion since at the end of the day, no one here has political influence of note and few people will change their minds.

On July 27 2016 05:33 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 03:29 LegalLord wrote:
If you can't keep up a PM-harass troll for at least a few years then you're a failure in my eyes.

Maybe he'll come back in 2018.

Pfft, you need to make a name for yourself before you can go MIA like that.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 00:22:48
July 27 2016 00:22 GMT
#55509
On July 27 2016 05:35 KadaverBB wrote:
Thank you opisska
I don't really have a political opinion, I try to stay out of all that stuff, its just baffling to me that people can't discuss a subject without turning into pricks. When it starts annoying me too much I ban them

I think that for people who care at all about politics so much is at stake that we get emotional. We live a bit in an age of cynicism where the mantra is that caring too much about politics, society and the world is not cool, but the fact is, what is being discussed is our future and there are hardly more serious discussions. That it ends up being more heated than talking about nerfing siege tanks is kinda normal imo.

Also, when you talk about almost anything on an internet forum, you don't realize what truly separate you from other contributors. Then you get to a topic where people are advocating torture or being openly racist, and it becomes really hard to like them at all.

I find TL political forum fascinating because it gets me a window into what people with a completely different point of view (sometimes repulsive to me) think, and that's actually enlightening, if not disturbing. And those are people I just never, ever get to meet irl.

I think the political threads on TL are fine. They need heavy moderation, they often turn into liquid shit, but personally, I learnt a lot from them.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 27 2016 00:38 GMT
#55510
Convincing people is soooo much hard work.
politics is nice; but so many people argue so poorly it's hard to be enthused. It's more fun when talking to people who're willing to listen, think, and change their mind. Of course it's a lot of work to do that too the problem is that the silent majority is silent!
well, at least we made some progress cleaning up the thread today, yay progress!
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 01:30:51
July 27 2016 01:30 GMT
#55511
Politics is not a good social topic in general. Usually, when I discuss my honest political beliefs with new people, they politely accept it and then jokingly mock it in every future conversation I have with them.

Could be just me, but I try to avoid the topic unless I think they'll agree with me.
Moderatorshe/her
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
July 27 2016 03:06 GMT
#55512
Politics on TL seems to bring out the most vocal and extreme minority, even more so than most other topics (religion would be one of the exceptions). I'd love to have a relaxed exchange with an average Trump voter and try to pick his brain and understand what is going on.

But that's not what I'll get in a TL politics exchange. There will instead be the Trump extremist that zealously throws walls of text on me that probably isn't at all representative of why Trump is getting so much support in the general public. There will be ludicrous factual claims (on any side), that I just don't want to spend the time to verify or more frequently debunk. And things will go round and round and round with the same arguments, as none of the extremist posters (which are the only ones left) have the slightest intention of budging in the stance or leave the exchange, and are completely incapable and uninterested in understanding what the other side actually thinks.

So I'll continue to stay out of TL politics, tyvm.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 03:12:54
July 27 2016 03:09 GMT
#55513
If the poll I made in the US politics thread is any indication, the US politics are basically 2/3 Europeans. Definitely a very unusual perspective to be sure.

Also, English speakers is a very biased sample of political viewpoints in the world.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 27 2016 06:32 GMT
#55514
On July 27 2016 12:09 LegalLord wrote:
If the poll I made in the US politics thread is any indication, the US politics are basically 2/3 Europeans. Definitely a very unusual perspective to be sure.

Also, English speakers is a very biased sample of political viewpoints in the world.


2/3 of US politic megathread viewers might be European, but I'm pretty sure that most of the posts are by Americans.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
July 27 2016 06:43 GMT
#55515
On July 27 2016 12:09 LegalLord wrote:
If the poll I made in the US politics thread is any indication, the US politics are basically 2/3 Europeans. Definitely a very unusual perspective to be sure.

Also, English speakers is a very biased sample of political viewpoints in the world.


Well, 2/3rd of the posts in the European thread are made by a single Australian
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
July 27 2016 12:55 GMT
#55516
On July 27 2016 15:43 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 12:09 LegalLord wrote:
If the poll I made in the US politics thread is any indication, the US politics are basically 2/3 Europeans. Definitely a very unusual perspective to be sure.

Also, English speakers is a very biased sample of political viewpoints in the world.


Well, 2/3rd of the posts in the European thread are made by a single Australian

What about the Oceanian politics thread then?
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
July 27 2016 13:00 GMT
#55517
On July 27 2016 21:55 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 15:43 Morfildur wrote:
On July 27 2016 12:09 LegalLord wrote:
If the poll I made in the US politics thread is any indication, the US politics are basically 2/3 Europeans. Definitely a very unusual perspective to be sure.

Also, English speakers is a very biased sample of political viewpoints in the world.


Well, 2/3rd of the posts in the European thread are made by a single Australian

What about the Oceanian politics thread then?


Are you gonna make the Barrier reef great again?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
July 27 2016 14:23 GMT
#55518
On July 27 2016 22:00 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 21:55 Cascade wrote:
On July 27 2016 15:43 Morfildur wrote:
On July 27 2016 12:09 LegalLord wrote:
If the poll I made in the US politics thread is any indication, the US politics are basically 2/3 Europeans. Definitely a very unusual perspective to be sure.

Also, English speakers is a very biased sample of political viewpoints in the world.


Well, 2/3rd of the posts in the European thread are made by a single Australian

What about the Oceanian politics thread then?


Are you gonna make the Barrier reef great again?

There's some stupid crap going on in AU. Maybe not trump or brexit level stupid, but pretty damn retarded still. But I wouldn't dram of discussing it on TL, according to earlier remarks.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9629 Posts
July 27 2016 14:44 GMT
#55519
NEWS AT 10: AUSTRALIAN PM DECLARES THEY WILL BUILD A WALL. ITLL BE A GREAT WALL. REAL TALL.

do you guys have a PM? is it a president? whatever.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
July 27 2016 15:10 GMT
#55520
On July 27 2016 23:44 brian wrote:
NEWS AT 10: AUSTRALIAN PM DECLARES THEY WILL BUILD A WALL. ITLL BE A GREAT WALL. REAL TALL.

do you guys have a PM? is it a president? whatever.

This guy is an expert on the subject, listen to him.
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