EPTHope you enjoy it and we can get some feedback
Interview with Zatic about the Teamliquid secret
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TaKeSeN
Germany196 Posts
Hope you enjoy it and we can get some feedback | ||
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
The zatic build was my very first opening against the protoss | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On December 13 2010 00:09 Azzur wrote: Is he they guy when Artosis refers to the zatic build? The zatic build was my very first opening against the protoss Yeah, here is the original post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112636 | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Wonder what the big announcement is . | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Small historic note of something that was lost in translation is TL started off as a news and forum site from day one but that the team existed before that. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Can't wait for that big announcement! | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
Great job! | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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lgd-haze
Sweden547 Posts
I hope to see more of things like this! | ||
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Versita
Canada1032 Posts
thanks for the interview TaKe :D | ||
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Yizuo
Germany1537 Posts
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[Silverflame]
Germany640 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On December 13 2010 00:53 Versita wrote: T_T what a tease telling us that there will be a huge announcement this month thanks for the interview TaKe :D Yeah, i was wondering about that too. Didn't realize the bandwagon effect is so present in the forums, i must be the one of them :D | ||
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nepeta
1872 Posts
On December 13 2010 01:06 s.a.y wrote: Yeah, i was wondering about that too. Didn't realize the bandwagon effect is so present in the forums, i must be the one of them :D There are only so many opinions to have, among 200 000 people. Imagine discussions which hold 100 distinctly different opinions, it would be akin to arguing on #teamliquid during Boxer vs Jinro GSL finals -^ | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9501 Posts
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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ava34
United Kingdom153 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
 You are a true eSports journalist Keep up your awesome work! Oh, and really interesting interview at hand. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
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Splunge
Germany925 Posts
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t3tsubo
Canada682 Posts
Also for other members of the site, you can actually find the hierarchy and list of staff members on this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80495, hidden in the oft overlooked "website feedback" subforum. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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Almin
United States583 Posts
But damn, 230k people on a good day? Jeez. | ||
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
On December 13 2010 02:34 Almin wrote: Dumb question, but is it 230 unique visitors a day, or is it 230,000 unique visitors on a good day? Lol they put it as 230.000 so I'm just wondering lol. But damn, 230k people on a good day? Jeez. It might have been 230 unique visitors a day ~8-10 years ago maybe :D | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
nice interview, can't wait for the big news >.<, TL hyping stuff as always- ahhhhhh :/ | ||
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Seriox
Germany373 Posts
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
Yeah, this community is pretty cool.  | ||
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Goobus
Hong Kong587 Posts
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CapnAmerica
United States508 Posts
Keep up the awesome work, and maybe I can learn some German so I don't have to rely on the subtitles all the time.  | ||
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StarStruck
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + TSL 3 | ||
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FlyingDJ
Germany153 Posts
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On December 13 2010 04:19 FlyingDJ wrote: I have to say although I admire most of the content and the discussions on here, I do find the closing/warning/banning policy to be way over the top. I sometimes cannot believe my eyes to see what kind of posts are punished with warnings or bans. Maybe it is one of those things you need to do on a website that relies heavily on community involvement, I find it too harsh though. I sometimes cannot believe my eyes to see what kind of posts are unpunished without warnings or bans, especially in the SC2 forums. I still rage when I think about the "who invented APM" topic when after 4 pages of warnings/TBs there were people DEFENDING those who read first sentence of OP and wrote "I like/dislike razer grear". And yesterday some guy even created topic about it, lol. Just incredible. You will get used to and appreciate it. As zatic said in the interview, there's correlation between "strict" moding and good/friendly atmosphere among the community. | ||
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
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StarStruck
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On December 13 2010 04:49 ondik wrote: I sometimes cannot believe my eyes to see what kind of posts are unpunished without warnings or bans, especially in the SC2 forums. I still rage when I think about the "who invented APM" topic when after 4 pages of warnings/TBs there were people DEFENDING those who read first sentence of OP and wrote "I like/dislike razer grear". And yesterday some guy even created topic about it, lol. Just incredible. You will get used to and appreciate it. As zatic said in the interview, there's correlation between "strict" moding and good/friendly atmosphere among the community. I was about to say this as well. The admins and monitors have been very lenient ever since we got word of Starcraft 2. They changed their strict policy and temp-bans are the norm now. If you read half the filth I do I cannot believe how some people get off so easy. I've been banned quite a few times for pointing out halfwit trolls, but what can you do about it. Nothing. It's their house. | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
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StarStruck
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micronesia
United States24676 Posts
Thanks both of you for the interview. | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
It shuts down or discourages a lot of legitimate discussion. To be honest, there's certain players or members I don't criticize, simply because: a) I know they have the freedom to troll me, without reprecussion. b) Other posters will become immediately defensive, misinterpret my comments, and accuse me of trolling or being an idiot for having the audacity of questioning 'a pro'. Sometimes I see another poster raise a legitimate question or criticism about a player, and I think: "The guy has a point, but that's going nowhere very quickly ... ." | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On December 13 2010 04:54 MasterOfChaos wrote: Found it funny how zatic is called a long time member. Three years isn't much compared to the 8 years TL exists. But probably one views everyone who has been an active member at the time one registered as an old time member. I think you're exactly right on how a person determines whether someone is a veteran. If a member was at the site before you, you will consider that member a veteran, even if you and the other member are both new. And if someone came after you, even if both you and the member have been around for years, you'll consider that member a newb. | ||
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[pG]Archi
Germany354 Posts
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
About the ads issue: maybe TL could use the revenue to sponsor some tournaments. And when I say tournaments I mean some small scale weekly tournaments between the regular TL gamers. All interested would sign in then the TL admin would randomly choose 16 of them. The tournament could be streamed and anyone could volunteer to cast. The winners would win a small money prize. Since the TL community is so spread out, in one week the tournament could be for NA accounts, the next for EU and so on. Well it just an idea.^^ Keep up the excellent work TL! | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On December 13 2010 06:22 [pG]Archi wrote: Thanks for the interview! Which TL members are working fulltime for the site @ New York ? : ) hot_bid and R1CH. nice interview takey-boy. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
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Ideas
United States8097 Posts
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FuDDx
United States5008 Posts
Thanks man great work!!! This is the type of stuff among so many others that makes this such a great site! | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27149 Posts
On December 13 2010 06:33 EdSlyB wrote: Great interview. TL community is really top notch not just in the SC field but in gaming and eSports in general. About the ads issue: maybe TL could use the revenue to sponsor some tournaments. And when I say tournaments I mean some small scale weekly tournaments between the regular TL gamers. All interested would sign in then the TL admin would randomly choose 16 of them. The tournament could be streamed and anyone could volunteer to cast. The winners would win a small money prize. Since the TL community is so spread out, in one week the tournament could be for NA accounts, the next for EU and so on. Well it just an idea.^^ Keep up the excellent work TL! ... we already do this. TL Opens ^^ | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
Seriously though, great interview. It is really nice of Take to have made the interview, both in the sense that it is a massive plug, and also that it is interesting and uplifting. It isn't like it's a wholly infrequent sensation, but things like this make me proud to be a member. On December 13 2010 10:20 Noev wrote: Also i'm really excited to here about this big announcement coming later this month. I'm really hoping it is TSL 3, i gotta say i loved TSL 2 probably one of the most exciting tournaments i have ever watched. At first I was thinking the same thing, but after a minute or two of thought, I think I'd like a longer delay. On one hand, there are so many great tournaments going on, so it makes sense to get TSL out there so it can be the OSL of SC2. On the other hand, I'd personally like the game to stabilize more before TSL gets going again. The whole scene seems inexplicably hectic to me. I guess that's pretty exciting, but I'd also like there to be seriously solid footing what with the norms of the new sport. I feel like people (maybe just me) don't have a good guess as to where things are going with the future of SC2. The more solid the norms the greater the likelihood that TSL will become the dynasty it should be. I'd much prefer regular TL-Attacks or maybe Liquibition for the near future. I got rather off topic there... Props to Take and Zatic. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15327 Posts
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
Ops...! ^^ Where do I sign?!? :D | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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RHCPgergo
Hungary345 Posts
Thanks guys! | ||
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Gretchen
Germany128 Posts
On December 13 2010 02:34 Almin wrote: Dumb question, but is it 230 unique visitors a day, or is it 230,000 unique visitors on a good day? Lol they put it as 230.000 so I'm just wondering lol. But damn, 230k people on a good day? Jeez. Much of Europe uses the comma as a decimal mark: Pi = 3,14159 Some countries like Germany use the period as a thousands separator: 100.000 = One hundred thousand Always confuses Americans, i know. | ||
jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
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BeWat3r
Germany182 Posts
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Exathor
Australia56 Posts
ahahah i am the first one that did not express initial sentiment with everyone else, as such you are all bandwagoners to this amazing interview. But really good interview TaKe, hope to see more of these soon! damn. | ||
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Armathai
1023 Posts
Can't wait to attend a TL meetup sometime! | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
TSL 3?!?!?! :OOOO would be cool, but i'lls tay tuned for sure | ||
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zatic
Zurich15327 Posts
On December 13 2010 11:10 Ideas wrote: good interview. I met zatic at blizzcon 09 for a little bit. I sat next to him during the 1st BW cast for a few minutes. I don't think he really liked me at all lol Aww no I am sure that's not how it went. I am terrible with Names/IDs and probably didn't catch yours. Another likely explanation would be that I was terribly tired/hungover. On December 13 2010 01:06 s.a.y wrote: Didn't realize the bandwagon effect is so present in the forums, i must be the one of them It's pretty bad imo, especially recently. Look at the replies to this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=175441 On December 13 2010 05:27 Defacer wrote: It shuts down or discourages a lot of legitimate discussion. To be honest, there's certain players or members I don't criticize, simply because: a) I know they have the freedom to troll me, without reprecussion. b) Other posters will become immediately defensive, misinterpret my comments, and accuse me of trolling or being an idiot for having the audacity of questioning 'a pro'. This is not how it works and it's unfortunate that you think so. As long as you are polite and you have a point you should feel free to post it. Look at this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167392 No name poster gives his rather unpopular opinion about well known figures. But he does so reasonably and mannerly. Huge crowd of donkeys feels the need to jump all over his post. The donkeys, not the OP, are the ones that got warned/banned. That being said if you criticize a well known poster/player and don't have a point you brought all the flames on you yourself. | ||
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M155_G33k
United States470 Posts
 can wait to watch later on ^_^ | ||
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CoMMoDuS
Germany507 Posts
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On December 13 2010 23:16 zatic wrote: It's pretty bad imo, especially recently. Look at the replies to this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=175441 I don't think this thread is a good example of a bandwagon. My impression is that it's rather a group of high post-count users teaming up on easy pray. Which is probably even worse than a bandwagon since veteran users should know better. We've had such teaming up threads for years. It's probably one of the points where TLs moderation is too forgiving. In general it's hard to moderate posts which by themselves are not ban worthy, but together with many similar ones drown the good posts in a sea of mediocrity. | ||
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Moxi
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
Alot of the time when a high profile poster makes a comment there are 50 replies whose purpose is to suck up to that poster. The most obvious ones are the red names and rekrul. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
But year, realizing that a 2007 join date is a long time member makes me feel ooooold. | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
Also I thought I read a while back that Meat was the boss not naz? dunno could be wrong | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On December 14 2010 17:01 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: pretty cool interview I never realized tl had that many staff. Also I thought I read a while back that Meat was the boss not naz? dunno could be wrong Meat and I are co-owners of TL. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
maybe this should be in the "Ask TL staff" thread, but what do Meat do these days? is he still very involved in the site ect(not as a poster i mean) | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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farseerdk
Canada504 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Here's the catch: 1. Some people are better at communicating ideas, better speakers, etc. You get the idea. 2. Sometimes they just beat you to the punch, so there isn't much more to be said. This happens more often than not. Why regurgitate something that has already been said, especially if they fall under category one? It's simple logic. I guess it also helps when most of the veterans are well over the age of twenty and have lots of experience. That's my defense at least because I agree with many vets regardless of their color. Great minds are allowed to think alike, although it can get monotonous quick. I for one don't kiss ass. Not even my girlfriend's ass. She can defend herself. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19053 Posts
Also, what took from zatic's comments about the bandwagon effect is this: 1) Always disagree with everyone in the community while talking with the community 2) Always agree with everyone in the community while talking with another community IMO it should be the 11th commandment. | ||
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Stenstyren
Sweden619 Posts
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
Liquid' fighting | ||
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On December 13 2010 04:49 ondik wrote: I sometimes cannot believe my eyes to see what kind of posts are unpunished without warnings or bans, especially in the SC2 forums. I still rage when I think about the "who invented APM" topic when after 4 pages of warnings/TBs there were people DEFENDING those who read first sentence of OP and wrote "I like/dislike razer grear". And yesterday some guy even created topic about it, lol. Just incredible. You will get used to and appreciate it. As zatic said in the interview, there's correlation between "strict" moding and good/friendly atmosphere among the community. Agreed, at any one time I feel as though half the threads in the SC2 forum are completely devoid of any intellectual merit or any interesting discussion points. There have been so many threads which seem to have the only point of helping newbies overcome their fear of laddering and losing, or entire threads made to help one person choose their race. And don't get me wrong I love the GSL, but do we really need 1000 threads per day? There are other good SC2 tournaments in the world.... [/rant] It just frustrates me because I feel there are good threads that posters have spent a lot of time on that go unnoticed amongst the torrid of mediocrity. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15327 Posts
On December 17 2010 22:28 MasterOfChaos wrote: One thing I found strange is that the interviewer only called staff "teamliquid members". For me every user that identifies with teamliquid is a member Huh? One of his questions was exactly that: "You don't have to be a [em]Teamliquid member[/em] (meaning staff) to be a Teamliquid member". If this came across differently it's probably due to the lack of a precise German word for "staff". | ||
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Black[CAT]
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