EPTI know that you got a boyfriend who's waiting for ya. But I don't care about your boyfriend. Keep on waiting for ya. I wonder if everything on you boy, is really real now.
I wish I could hypnotise you, get in your head now. Tell me when you wanna go
Gay StarCraft Players - Page 73
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platorepublic
United Kingdom344 Posts
I know that you got a boyfriend who's waiting for ya. But I don't care about your boyfriend. Keep on waiting for ya. I wonder if everything on you boy, is really real now. I wish I could hypnotise you, get in your head now. Tell me when you wanna go | ||
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agitprop
United States37 Posts
On May 07 2011 02:49 PinkStatic wrote: As you've said yourself, a person's tolerance varies from person to person, so use your own discretion. Also keep in mind that if there is a person who is sensitive about his/her homosexuality, being lambasted for using certain term is not because he is homosexual, but because he/she is sensitive. Still, one should respect a person's limits and sensitivities as much as possible, so I suppose some things that come to mind that might seem innocuous to some but not to others is labeling bad things as "gay", or implying that homosexuals are sexually promiscuous by the way you word things. I personally think that the best thing to do is to always clarify what you're saying, to tell someone you honestly meant no offense if you didn't, and for apologizing for overstepping boundaries if you did ^_^. Social acceptance matters for everyone. I would say we're all "sensitive" to it, and that it is just more obvious to a homosexual how egregiously difficult it is to feel good about one's self when so many people daily imply that homosexuality is disgusting via derogative terms. I love watching Sheth, IdrA, and Destiny's respective streams, but they'll all use gay/faggot. I'm warmed that this thread exists and people post to it. I get the sense that the sc2 community is more enlightened than most, but it could be a little more "sensitive". As for the person's request for acceptable terms, the honest answer is that every possible term will probably offend someone. Personally, a solid effort to show that you're not disgusted and to make sure that your language conveys respect and affection for your new friends....that is enough. Most of that is tonal and behavioral, people can really tell when they're being judged harshly no matter what words you use. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
On May 11 2011 00:36 agitprop wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2011 02:49 PinkStatic wrote: As you've said yourself, a person's tolerance varies from person to person, so use your own discretion. Also keep in mind that if there is a person who is sensitive about his/her homosexuality, being lambasted for using certain term is not because he is homosexual, but because he/she is sensitive. Still, one should respect a person's limits and sensitivities as much as possible, so I suppose some things that come to mind that might seem innocuous to some but not to others is labeling bad things as "gay", or implying that homosexuals are sexually promiscuous by the way you word things. I personally think that the best thing to do is to always clarify what you're saying, to tell someone you honestly meant no offense if you didn't, and for apologizing for overstepping boundaries if you did ^_^. Social acceptance matters for everyone. I would say we're all "sensitive" to it, and that it is just more obvious to a homosexual how egregiously difficult it is to feel good about one's self when so many people daily imply that homosexuality is disgusting via derogative terms. I love watching Sheth, IdrA, and Destiny's respective streams, but they'll all use gay/faggot. I'm warmed that this thread exists and people post to it. I get the sense that the sc2 community is more enlightened than most, but it could be a little more "sensitive". As for the person's request for acceptable terms, the honest answer is that every possible term will probably offend someone. Personally, a solid effort to show that you're not disgusted and to make sure that your language conveys respect and affection for your new friends....that is enough. Most of that is tonal and behavioral, people can really tell when they're being judged harshly no matter what words you use. edit: what I said was kind of off-topic. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
Apparently being blatantly anti the "act" of being gay is okay on these forums. Could you imagine if the same guy posted about how he hates the idea of being black? | ||
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agitprop
United States37 Posts
On May 11 2011 01:37 Odal wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=221393¤tpage=3#60 Apparently being blatantly anti the "act" of being gay is okay on these forums. Could you imagine if the same guy posted about how he hates the idea of being black? Or <insert religious or ethnic group>, but that disparity only shows how important socialization is. The other side knows that, too. Thats why they're now complaining about being bullied for their views. In any case, a more articulate post would have conveyed the same meaning and maybe been an appropriate foil. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On May 11 2011 01:45 agitprop wrote: Or <insert religious or ethnic group>, but that disparity only shows how important socialization is. The other side knows that, too. Thats why they're now complaining about being bullied for their views. In any case, a more articulate post would have conveyed the same meaning and maybe been an appropriate foil. Either way, the person's opinion on homosexuality had nothing to do with the thread, and he basically posted that little extra thing in the beginning just to show other people that he doesn't like gays. It's hard not to get extremely pissed when someone posts something so stupid that just straight up insults the way your friends were born. | ||
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platorepublic
United Kingdom344 Posts
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TSM
Great Britain584 Posts
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
In the meantime, msg me at adrenaling.923 if ur masters | ||
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platorepublic
United Kingdom344 Posts
On May 11 2011 04:06 adrenaLinG wrote: If you guys want to stop homophobia in the TL community then hurry up and make an openly gay grand masters!!! In the meantime, msg me at adrenaling.923 if ur masters Stop whoring about your OPness. Don't msg him. Message me, I'm a bronze bottom: Plato.769 | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
glhf u guys! i like people who are proud and up front bout who they are PS: i dont think the term queer is a very good one for gays, queer means strange. And homosexuality been around for thousands of thousands of years so not very strange | ||
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platorepublic
United Kingdom344 Posts
On May 11 2011 05:49 PlaGuE_R wrote: this is cool, i didnt so many homosexuals played video games! secret: the media would have you're all wearing bright pink and do nothing but speak in forced high pitches all day with strange hand gestures. glhf u guys! i like people who are proud and up front bout who they are PS: i dont think the term queer is a very good one for gays, queer means strange. And homosexuality been around for thousands of thousands of years so not very strange PSS: gay means happy, but doesn't mean it sounds good either. Edit: I prefer homosexual to gay. | ||
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PinkStatic
Singapore11 Posts
On May 11 2011 01:49 Odal wrote: Either way, the person's opinion on homosexuality had nothing to do with the thread, and he basically posted that little extra thing in the beginning just to show other people that he doesn't like gays. It's hard not to get extremely pissed when someone posts something so stupid that just straight up insults the way your friends were born. I was of the impression that all opinions were acceptable on these forums, as long as they were just that - opinions, and not act of hate or discrimination. "i hate the idea of being gay" is just as much an opinion as "i hate the idea of being black", "i hate the idea of wearing crocs" and "i dont like the idea of listening to lady gaga", and everyone is warrant to have an opinion. now it's when that opinion rears its head in a malicious way such as "you're an asshole for liking green tea" or "what is fuck is wrong with you"- an intolerance of other people's beliefs- i think that's what's unacceptable on these forums. I'd say in that case you seemed, to me, to be mildly intolerant. What if homophobia is something that is also born into you? just like arachnophobia or hydrophobia? I don't think it's fair to commit an act of act unto other people because of a mere, innocuous opinion, especially when it's that person's right to have an opinion. It is only not a person's right to commit an act of hate or discrimination upon someone else, | ||
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dunc
Netherlands1105 Posts
On May 11 2011 05:49 PlaGuE_R wrote: this is cool, i didnt so many homosexuals played video games! secret: the media would have you're all wearing bright pink and do nothing but speak in forced high pitches all day with strange hand gestures. glhf u guys! i like people who are proud and up front bout who they are PS: i dont think the term queer is a very good one for gays, queer means strange. And homosexuality been around for thousands of thousands of years so not very strange Yeah queer sounds awful. I don't mind gay though. I say it all the time because I grew up doing it pretty much~ | ||
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jarrydesque
584 Posts
On May 11 2011 05:36 platorepublic wrote: Stop whoring about your OPness. Don't msg him. Message me, I'm a bronze bottom: Plato.769 I lolled. Starcraft pickups: "Boys - now available in Masters. Batteries not included." | ||
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inimenesc
Estonia374 Posts
 Gay means happy and most gays are happy religion is just pure bulls**t my 2 cents or 3 | ||
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nozh
Canada93 Posts
. i'm super happy this thread exists! | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On May 06 2011 22:46 PinkStatic wrote: I'll give this a try - but keep in mind I'm not gay, I'm transgendered. A person acting "feminine" or fairly "flamboyant" is not acceptable evidence to draw conclusions about a person's sexuality, which is an entirely different province. You may notice certain patterns that concur between a person's sexuality and that person's mannerism for several people, but it is unfair to therefore make the leap that if someone else has said mannerism, he also has said sexuality. It's a lot like saying many monkeys like bananas, and many people like bananas, and so people = monkeys (which, although we are related to, are classified differently) So what does that mean for your friend? Well, he seems to be a gay-hating "flamboyant" person with a high pitched voice who likes paris hilton. That's about it really, and i think that's all you should assume him to be. Is it possible he's a closet homosexual? perhaps. It's also possible that that's all there is to it. Everything you listed has to do with personality, not sexuality, and we shouldn't make the leap that one correlates with the other blindly. Now, if you had listed - He is sexually attracted to cisgendered males then we might have something EDIT: I think the poster above might have responded negatively because he took offense to your implication that queer people have said characteristics, and there seems to be something ingrained that makes you assume as such. This is not the case! To be linked to liking Paris Hilton is something you don't want to automatically done unto you, although this might be innocuous. It's a lot like saying "that person is black because he likes fried chicken". With the infinite number of possibilities a person could take within his personality, that's why I don't stereotype. In fact it would be folly to do so, because every time we see a gay person on TV, it's always some stereotypical character who has conform to some common characteristics. But when are we gonna say a handsome ripped fireman/cop/construction worker, who's gay(it's probably coming to mainstream TV, or has happened hundreds of times by now), then even that will be become a cliche. The homophobic military man(who's secretly gay), all these characters who we've all seen to death now. As I've said, my friend could just be a very feminine dude, and it doesn't change the way I see him either way. Every time I've introduced to him to other people, the question is always the same "is he gay". And we have a gay topic thread - so hey, why not lay the topic open for the experts to weigh upon here. So there's no need to be offended by someone who's simply posing a question. I think people are reading into my question the wrong way. I'm not asking if his behaviors fit into stereotype A or B(which is what people are confusing, and are offended by). I'm asking "does this sound gay to you". Thus far, the answers are "probably no" which is cool with me. I probably need to stop saying that no matter what, this person is friend(which unfortunately ppl could see this as "hey why do you keep saying this, could it be that, you're secretly homophobic then, or maybe YOU'RE actually gay"). Probably should try to keep the metagame level at level 1 and not going too far to level 3 lol. | ||
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dunc
Netherlands1105 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I know he's not gay on tv | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 11 2011 05:36 platorepublic wrote: Stop whoring about your OPness. Don't msg him. Message me, I'm a bronze bottom: Plato.769 So much for subbing to you >.< | ||
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