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On July 28 2010 09:07 Impervious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 00:11 Rigel of Cyrosea wrote:On July 19 2010 06:34 FaZe wrote:
Yeah, I'm from Ottawa too.
I go to Carleton - we should set up some kind of team for sure. The guy who discovered void ray fazing goes to Carleton? Awesome! I'm currently the CSL coordinator for CU (or will be once CSL-related stuff starts happening again). + Show Spoiler +They say that over at Carleton the profs are really swell You ask hem just one question and they tell you to go to hell They say that over at Carleton the classes are a blast But even when you graduate, you'll still be pumping gas They say that over at Carleton the mattresses are firm You lift the mattress corner and you find the handmade sperm They say that over at Carleton the chick are really hot But when you wake up in the morning you've got to get your shots They say that over at Carleton the guys have lots of class But stop, wait, dont turn around, they'll fuck you in the ass They say that over at Carleton they're trying to improve Just ask their friends at McLeans, they're #42* I'm an asshole, I'm an asshole I'm an asshole through and through But I'd rather be an asshole than to go to Carleton U There's a hole in the city and its name is Carleton U If you're dumb and you're stupid than it's the place for you So if your GPA is lower than 1.2 Then you'll get a big warm welcome from last chance U * + Show Spoiler +McLeans university rankings in 1992, and they have improved since then, I'll give them that.
God, if that stuff is true, then I can't imagine what the lower ranked university in this city must be like. O_o
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I think we should have an sc2 lan at the old gooser/guru house. It would be swell, and we'd all be on level terms. (sort of?)
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On July 28 2010 09:40 Rigel of Cyrosea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2010 09:07 Impervious wrote:On July 25 2010 00:11 Rigel of Cyrosea wrote:On July 19 2010 06:34 FaZe wrote:
Yeah, I'm from Ottawa too.
I go to Carleton - we should set up some kind of team for sure. The guy who discovered void ray fazing goes to Carleton? Awesome! I'm currently the CSL coordinator for CU (or will be once CSL-related stuff starts happening again). + Show Spoiler +They say that over at Carleton the profs are really swell You ask hem just one question and they tell you to go to hell They say that over at Carleton the classes are a blast But even when you graduate, you'll still be pumping gas They say that over at Carleton the mattresses are firm You lift the mattress corner and you find the handmade sperm They say that over at Carleton the chick are really hot But when you wake up in the morning you've got to get your shots They say that over at Carleton the guys have lots of class But stop, wait, dont turn around, they'll fuck you in the ass They say that over at Carleton they're trying to improve Just ask their friends at McLeans, they're #42* I'm an asshole, I'm an asshole I'm an asshole through and through But I'd rather be an asshole than to go to Carleton U There's a hole in the city and its name is Carleton U If you're dumb and you're stupid than it's the place for you So if your GPA is lower than 1.2 Then you'll get a big warm welcome from last chance U * + Show Spoiler +McLeans university rankings in 1992, and they have improved since then, I'll give them that. God, if that stuff is true, then I can't imagine what the lower ranked university in this city must be like. O_o
Umm..... UO got several first-places in the Macleans categories last time..... The best Carleton got was a #7. Better than the #42 it was, but still.....
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Umm..... UO got several first-places in the Macleans categories last time..... The best Carleton got was a #7. Better than the #42 it was, but still.....
Unfortunately, Ottawa and Carleton are not in the same category in the 'official' rankings, Ottawa being classified as a medical school and Carleton as a comprehensive school. This makes it impossible to compare them to each other directly using those rankings. Ottawa placed ninth and Carleton seventh overall in their respective groups, but they're not being compared to each other, only to others in the same category.
Since I wasn't claiming Carleton was a good university, only that Ottawa was worse, those rankings don't really make a point for either side.
The student response polls, on the other hand, allow the two universities to be compared directly, since they are all grouped together. Out of nine main questions, Carleton placed above Ottawa in seven. Ottawa placed in the bottom ten in nearly every single poll.
In the additional web-only questions, Ottawa placed last or second last in five out of seven polls, and lower than Carleton in every single poll.
Some particularly noteworthy ones were:
Supportive Campus Environment- Ottawa dead last
Satisfaction with the quality of teaching- Ottawa dead last
Satisfaction with decision to attend- Ottawa second last
Evaluation of overall educational experience (senior years)- Ottawa second last
If you could start over, would you go to this university (senior years)- Ottawa dead last
Carleton was somewhere in the middle for most of those polls.
All the information I used is available here: http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/rankings/
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*cracks knuckles*
"best overall", determined by experts, is as follows (note that neither university are actually in the top 10, however, Ottawa is 10 higher than Carleton):
+ Show Spoiler +Waterloo
McGill
Alberta
Toronto
UBC
McMaster
Queens
Western
Saskatchewan
Sherbrooke
For the answers to the questions you've shown, the top 10 schools in the questions are as follows:
Question 1+ Show Spoiler +Redeemer
Trinity Western
Mount Allison
King's
St Francis Xavier
Nipissing
UNB
St Thomas
UNBC
Fraser Valley
Question 2+ Show Spoiler +
Redeemer
King's
Mount Allison
Trinity Western
Nipissing
St Francis Xavier
UNB
UNBC
St Thomas
UOIT
Question 3+ Show Spoiler +
King's
Redeemer
Mount Allison
Trinity Western
St Thomas
UNB
NSAC
Nipissing
St Francis Xavier
Saint Marys
Question 4+ Show Spoiler +
Redeemer
King's
Fraser Valley
St Thomas
Brock
Trinity Western
UNB
NSAC
Saskatchewan
Simon Fraser
Question 5+ Show Spoiler +
Redeemer
Trinity Western
King's
Mount Allison
St Thomas
St Francis Xavier
UNB
Nipissing
Fraser Valley
McGill
Question 6+ Show Spoiler +
Redeemer
King's
Mount Allison
Victoria
UOIT
UNBC
Trent
Winnipeg
NSAC
UBC
Question 7+ Show Spoiler +
King's
Redeemer
Trinity Western
Mount Allison
St Francis Xavier
St Thomas
NSAC
Nipissing
Wilfred Laurier
UNBC
Note how many of the universities in the top 10, determined by the experts in Macleans, happen to coincide with those in the top 10 as chosen by the voters of these survey questions..... Not even freaking close..... I only noticed McGill showing up once.....
I'd like to know how you decided that judgemental questions such as those posed in the questions are of any value when people rarely actually attend multiple universities, so they can't even get a proper comparison.....
Carleton is the lower ranked university, thank you very much. Source.
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That chart is based on the reputations university's have from business, university, and high school officials, not on hard data. I don't see how the opinions of those people are any more or less relevant than the opinions of the students who go to the school.
Ottawa is perceived as better than Carleton by those people because it has a med school and more graduate programs (ie. it's part of the medical/doctoral group of schools, not the comprehensive). The only non-med school in the top ten is Waterloo. And we all know how insanely hyped-up Waterloo's reputation is.
In the actual data based polls, Waterloo doesn't even come first in it's category. But it's so known for being 'cutting-edge' that it gets #1 on the reputation poll anyway.
The hard data rankings are by far more useful than the reputation or student response polls, but as I mentioned before, Carleton and Ottawa are in different categories for those.
From what I can see, the rankings tell us the following:
In terms of actual data Carleton and Ottawa cannot be directly compared, but both are about average in their category.
You may find it easier to get a job with a degree from Ottawa, because, as a medical/doctoral school, it has a moderately better reputation than Carleton.
However, if your experience as a student is average, you would regret choosing to go to Ottawa and be very unsatisfied with the education you received, as opposed to being fairly ambivalent about the choice to go to Carleton.
Also, if you choose Ottawa, you'll do much better overall in CSL, but you'll be the only team to lose an ace match to Carleton. :D
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>implying university rankings are official or matter in Canada
I've been to Queens, RMC, Carleton and Waterloo. It's all hype.
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I'm from Ottawa!
I also live extremely close to OU and Carleton :D
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On July 28 2010 18:01 Abenson wrote:
I'm from Ottawa!
I also live extremely close to OU and Carleton :D
Same, ^_^
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On July 28 2010 17:32 Kennigit wrote:
>implying university rankings are official or matter in Canada
I've been to Queens, RMC, Carleton and Waterloo. It's all hype.
True enough, but I can't pass up the opportunity to argue semantics. XD
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I'm from Ottawa and live near Carleton. I'd be interested in playing some games, I was a pretty high ranking diamond player during the Beta.
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Don't worry, I won't clutter the thread anymore. Me and Rigel have taken it to PMs.
However, I will say this - we NEED to organize something for the end of September, at latest.
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While I can't speak for the quality of education since I've only experienced Waterloo, I have met lots of other students who have been from other universities (since I do waterloo engineering, I do alot of co-op).
I'll say this: On average they're about as smart as my friends from Waterloo and perhaps know about as much(this is hard to judge, but there is not a huge gap) but noticeably less professional and the work is more polished (probably because we have so much work experience). Employers like that.
Remember, you're going to university so that you can get a job after. That's your goal. That's why employer rankings are perhaps the most important rankings of all, unless you decide to attend grad school (in which case nobody is going to look at your undergrad anyways).
But there should be an event in Ottawa before the end of the month! After all, when you're back in school alot of people will have less time to devote to Starcraft >_>
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On July 31 2010 09:50 sikyon wrote:
But there should be an event in Ottawa before the end of the month! After all, when you're back in school alot of people will have less time to devote to Starcraft >_>
After..... I'm not back until September, and I've got frosh guide duties in the first week and a bit....
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so... who wants to give me a guest pass? LOL. omg im so lame, id rather use up all your guest passes on multiple bnet accounts instead of buy the game.
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I live in Ottawa. I go to Ottawa U, which is why Carleton sucks. If I went to Carleton, Ottawa U would suck, that's how it works. Anyway I'm a bronze player but I mostly do 2v2s with another friend from here so not really interested in getting my ass kicked constantly by you guys.
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Wish, just go for a week without the bud, you'll be able to afford the game.
And I got placed in silver in the last stretch of the beta..... 
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I grew up in Ottawa, but now I live near Belleville, going to Ottawa for some Sens games this winter though :D
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Oh man, glad to see this thread is still alive.
I've finally moved into a new place, and finally got internet hooked up (it's a long story), and sc2 finally came out, and servers are finally working.
I've lost everyone's IDs, for obvious reasons, but I guess we only need to re-add everyone one more time.
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My id is Rigel.753. Add me, I'm up for a game any time. 
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