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On December 07 2013 03:38 convention wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 02:28 Kraznaya wrote:On December 07 2013 02:14 blobrus wrote:
Brazilian (on US servers) Rubick so I pick a clinkz since we needed a carry. He ends up not buying courier or wards. Takes my last hits (I had 15 at 10 minutes). We we're laning vs a fucking solo antimage and no kills because it's all about that last hit rubick. Final straw is he got a midas. u deserve it when u cant out last hit rubick as clinkz I don't care what hero you have, when your support tries to steal the last hits, it becomes very hard to do. I don't care if its clinkz v max str morph. You have to change the point at which you finish the creep to be earlier than you want (and a lot of times you'll leave it with ~10 hp), you start worrying about both the deny coming from the enemy and the rubick attack coming in. When I play a farming role, and the support is actively trying to last hit, I probably start missing more than 50% of the last hits. It just changes the rhythm of the last hits.
I love using this to an advantage. As soon as my creeps start dropping below 50%, I sporadically attack my own, just to throw off the other guy. Pulls the lane back and pisses people off.
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there's nothing more demoralizing in a game than playing against a team with a bounty hunter that has over 1.5 to 2 times the amount of kills your team does.
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Could we also have a confession thread, like in confessing sins in a church, A thread where u confess your faul ways, the TL-forums confessions automatically purge ur sins and u can live a happy life and bm some more? Perpetum mobile of posting sins .
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Bountyhunter finishing a 55m game with a vladimirs..
He abandoned the 1v1 lane vs AM early to go around and not gank for 15 minutes, giving him massive farm. Still we managed to kill him 3 times when he was pushing into the rax. We counterpush..and can't take them on 5v4 because our two carries has absolutely nothing.
What goes through your head when you decide to not farm, not push, not gank..just run around and do nothing for 55 min straight? What is your winning strategy? Get them bored stiff?
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Played a game as rubick, I don't really remember my teammates but there was a Sven and an OD.
Laning with OD bot while Sven solos hardlane (and we had a windrunner who went mid. I didn't understand either). OD does ok in lane with me, Sven stays away from the creepwave because he's scared of the Drow-Tiny lane (Either Tiny can be run as a 3 position kind of hero or they were also bad.) I roatate top because OD assures me he has his lane under control, and with generosity with consumables, telekinesis follow ups to Sven's stuns, and jungle wards, we get 3 kills on Tiny and one on Drow and I only die once.
But the game goes on and Drow gets a shadow blade and begins running around getting kills. I've been playing dirt poor style 5 position support (Magic wand, brown boots, wards, tp's, and urn of shadows from the assist gold), and the team starts complaining about the lack of sentry wards. Admittedly I was slow to get them, but after that I was buying them constantly. I don't know what to say, I'm sorry you guys run into fights without shackle setups or using Sven stun before eating Warlock ulti and avalanche? And that when I drop sentries for objectives like sieging a tower, you run into the jungle halfheartedly into their team? So the team keeps bitching and starts buying sentries that they don't use, and continue running blindly where we don't have vision and making sure to only stick around and fight the enemy when we don't have initiators nearby. At the end of the game, everyone is talking about the game, and their Drow says "Sven you did really good almost winning as solo hard lane."
I was pretty mad, it's one thing to play badly and get shit for it, but I warded well and did my job and stole the spells I needed to and put sentries properly and had good rotations and ganks. To have both my team and their team act like my 15 assists out of the 23 kills out entire team had and vision that let us do well in lane was... I don't know, insulting I guess.
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On December 07 2013 09:13 DavoS wrote:
Played a game as rubick, I don't really remember my teammates but there was a Sven and an OD.
Laning with OD bot while Sven solos hardlane (and we had a windrunner who went mid. I didn't understand either). OD does ok in lane with me, Sven stays away from the creepwave because he's scared of the Drow-Tiny lane (Either Tiny can be run as a 3 position kind of hero or they were also bad.) I roatate top because OD assures me he has his lane under control, and with generosity with consumables, telekinesis follow ups to Sven's stuns, and jungle wards, we get 3 kills on Tiny and one on Drow and I only die once.
But the game goes on and Drow gets a shadow blade and begins running around getting kills. I've been playing dirt poor style 5 position support (Magic wand, brown boots, wards, tp's, and urn of shadows from the assist gold), and the team starts complaining about the lack of sentry wards. Admittedly I was slow to get them, but after that I was buying them constantly. I don't know what to say, I'm sorry you guys run into fights without shackle setups or using Sven stun before eating Warlock ulti and avalanche? And that when I drop sentries for objectives like sieging a tower, you run into the jungle halfheartedly into their team? So the team keeps bitching and starts buying sentries that they don't use, and continue running blindly where we don't have vision and making sure to only stick around and fight the enemy when we don't have initiators nearby. At the end of the game, everyone is talking about the game, and their Drow says "Sven you did really good almost winning as solo hard lane."
I was pretty mad, it's one thing to play badly and get shit for it, but I warded well and did my job and stole the spells I needed to and put sentries properly and had good rotations and ganks. To have both my team and their team act like my 15 assists out of the 23 kills out entire team had and vision that let us do well in lane was... I don't know, insulting I guess.
you are a ks-er?
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So i played mid tinker vs sf.. took some stats to prevent him from getting his first souls.
Nope, he fucking started with a DD rune... the game was lost literrally 50 sec into the game, and of course i'm not going to expect any gank on him mid because i'm the one that should be ganking right?
Got my bots in 11 min >_<
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Got matched with a 20 wins Huksar that left after feeding early game
Great matchmaking Valve
Oh how I love the people that pick Kaolin every game to get freewins. They should get banned and Icefrog should move his fucking ass to nerf the hell out of this shit
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That guy who locks Doom to jungle in pubs. Unlike NP he remains super useless throughout the game and really messes with the lanes since we have to work with a guy who comes online 25 mins into the game when an NP could do a lot more use in that timespan. In addition our safelane or offlane needs to not pick big carries or we run the risk of having a quadcore lineup. needless to say, we lost hard.
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I cry many tears when bullies play DotA 
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Got put into low priority after abandoning a game when my power cut out
only the second time i have to play low prio games, I'm going to try to be extra nice
edit: so how would you do to get out of low prio as fast as possible?
I ended up using spirit breaker to do those games, he is so effective in low prio: get orb of venom lvl 1, gank mid lane, game is won :D
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1) pick pugna
2) Press q on buildings
3) If opponents still have buildings, GOTO 2
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On December 07 2013 03:38 convention wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 02:28 Kraznaya wrote:On December 07 2013 02:14 blobrus wrote:
Brazilian (on US servers) Rubick so I pick a clinkz since we needed a carry. He ends up not buying courier or wards. Takes my last hits (I had 15 at 10 minutes). We we're laning vs a fucking solo antimage and no kills because it's all about that last hit rubick. Final straw is he got a midas. u deserve it when u cant out last hit rubick as clinkz I don't care what hero you have, when your support tries to steal the last hits, it becomes very hard to do. I don't care if its clinkz v max str morph. You have to change the point at which you finish the creep to be earlier than you want (and a lot of times you'll leave it with ~10 hp), you start worrying about both the deny coming from the enemy and the rubick attack coming in. When I play a farming role, and the support is actively trying to last hit, I probably start missing more than 50% of the last hits. It just changes the rhythm of the last hits.
so you can go out and change the world or just get better at last hitting.
even if it's technically more difficult, outlasthitting with clinkz is still simple.
what you're saying is that you were bad enough to get outlasthit by a rubick. even if he took half your last hits (with lik2 20+ less base damage lolwut) you would only have 30 at 10 minutes.
just play better
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On December 10 2013 04:09 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 03:38 convention wrote:On December 07 2013 02:28 Kraznaya wrote:On December 07 2013 02:14 blobrus wrote:
Brazilian (on US servers) Rubick so I pick a clinkz since we needed a carry. He ends up not buying courier or wards. Takes my last hits (I had 15 at 10 minutes). We we're laning vs a fucking solo antimage and no kills because it's all about that last hit rubick. Final straw is he got a midas. u deserve it when u cant out last hit rubick as clinkz I don't care what hero you have, when your support tries to steal the last hits, it becomes very hard to do. I don't care if its clinkz v max str morph. You have to change the point at which you finish the creep to be earlier than you want (and a lot of times you'll leave it with ~10 hp), you start worrying about both the deny coming from the enemy and the rubick attack coming in. When I play a farming role, and the support is actively trying to last hit, I probably start missing more than 50% of the last hits. It just changes the rhythm of the last hits. so you can go out and change the world or just get better at last hitting. even if it's technically more difficult, outlasthitting with clinkz is still simple. what you're saying is that you were bad enough to get outlasthit by a rubick. even if he took half your last hits (with lik2 20+ less base damage lolwut) you would only have 30 at 10 minutes. just play better
Topic Title: QQ Thread
Hariooo's opinion: Don't cry in this thread when your teammates are actively ruining your game.
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On December 10 2013 04:09 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 03:38 convention wrote:On December 07 2013 02:28 Kraznaya wrote:On December 07 2013 02:14 blobrus wrote:
Brazilian (on US servers) Rubick so I pick a clinkz since we needed a carry. He ends up not buying courier or wards. Takes my last hits (I had 15 at 10 minutes). We we're laning vs a fucking solo antimage and no kills because it's all about that last hit rubick. Final straw is he got a midas. u deserve it when u cant out last hit rubick as clinkz I don't care what hero you have, when your support tries to steal the last hits, it becomes very hard to do. I don't care if its clinkz v max str morph. You have to change the point at which you finish the creep to be earlier than you want (and a lot of times you'll leave it with ~10 hp), you start worrying about both the deny coming from the enemy and the rubick attack coming in. When I play a farming role, and the support is actively trying to last hit, I probably start missing more than 50% of the last hits. It just changes the rhythm of the last hits. so you can go out and change the world or just get better at last hitting. even if it's technically more difficult, outlasthitting with clinkz is still simple. what you're saying is that you were bad enough to get outlasthit by a rubick. even if he took half your last hits (with lik2 20+ less base damage lolwut) you would only have 30 at 10 minutes. just play better
If you're contesting last hits with just one person (your lane opponent) and you have the higher base damage, then you should theoretically get every last hit. If you're contesting cs with TWO people, it becomes a very tricky mindgame since you often have to hit in between the two other hero hits, but that's what the other two are both doing as well.
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On December 10 2013 04:09 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 03:38 convention wrote:On December 07 2013 02:28 Kraznaya wrote:On December 07 2013 02:14 blobrus wrote:
Brazilian (on US servers) Rubick so I pick a clinkz since we needed a carry. He ends up not buying courier or wards. Takes my last hits (I had 15 at 10 minutes). We we're laning vs a fucking solo antimage and no kills because it's all about that last hit rubick. Final straw is he got a midas. u deserve it when u cant out last hit rubick as clinkz I don't care what hero you have, when your support tries to steal the last hits, it becomes very hard to do. I don't care if its clinkz v max str morph. You have to change the point at which you finish the creep to be earlier than you want (and a lot of times you'll leave it with ~10 hp), you start worrying about both the deny coming from the enemy and the rubick attack coming in. When I play a farming role, and the support is actively trying to last hit, I probably start missing more than 50% of the last hits. It just changes the rhythm of the last hits. so you can go out and change the world or just get better at last hitting. even if it's technically more difficult, outlasthitting with clinkz is still simple. what you're saying is that you were bad enough to get outlasthit by a rubick. even if he took half your last hits (with lik2 20+ less base damage lolwut) you would only have 30 at 10 minutes. just play better
He didn't say he was outlasthit, only that rubick fucked up his last hits. 'outlasthitting' as a concept is only relevant when talking about opponents, if he's splitting any farm at all (or losing lasthits because he has to try to time it differently), it's bad.
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Is vanguard a viable item on antimage or am I missing something because his farm was shit. He insisted it was despite the 35 minute battlefury.
Edit: As the above post is about my Clinkz post I don't understand why people are telling me to last hit better. Sure I probably could have done better, but this is a thread to vent about shitty teammates and a rubick going midas without buying wards or courier while contesting last hits qualifies as that.
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On December 10 2013 06:05 blobrus wrote:
Is vanguard a viable item on antimage or am I missing something because his farm was shit. He insisted it was despite the 35 minute battlefury.
Vanguard is fine situationally, Vanguard Battlefury is questionable.
You buy Vanguard in the types of games where you absolutely have to be able to fight at an early timing with VG+Yasha. It's pretty questionable whether you should have even picked Anti-mage in the first place in that case, but it's pubs, so whatever.
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http://dotabuff.com/matches/415082780
Final score 2-41, with one of those kills being because they got a little too ballsy fountain diving.
Laned with a Kunkka who was too afraid to go near the creep wave and went for a naked urn of shadows rush.
Another guy randomed Visage and after getting first blood he died eight times and didn't stun with his familiars when people tp'ed out.
Bloodseeker who would solo roam the enemy jungle and then complain when the one person in the same zip code didn't come to change a 1v5 into a 2v5.
Timbersaw who died to Pugna mid in the first 3 minutes, never used whirling death when it could have secured a kill, and fed all game.
And then my normal QQ about how you can't do shit as a support when your team is awful. Whenever I went remotely close to pushes or teamfights a single Frost Blast from Lich would take 2/3rds of my health.
But basically fuck that Kunkka, he hid in trees all game, missed all his torrents, never right clicked, and occasionally threw random boats. I think he hit the Pugna once.
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