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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
July 26 2013 21:19 GMT
#13161
On July 27 2013 06:14 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 06:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On July 26 2013 20:28 Dfgj wrote:
On July 26 2013 15:02 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
is it me or has matchmaking decided that I must lose every game and get matched with complete turkeys?

Honestly, I scan other team at least two people 600+ games... Scan my team <200... I'm at around 400... (dota 1 player originally)... constant rape

Number of games doesn't dictate MMR.

There's absolutely no correlation whatsoever right?

None at all. 40,0000 games could have a lower MMR than a player who played 5.

Exactly. Extreme outliers always prove there's not even a slight correlation.
Dodge arrows
10734
Profile Joined September 2012
340 Posts
July 26 2013 21:58 GMT
#13162
On July 26 2013 21:39 CrazyBirdman wrote:
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On July 26 2013 21:04 Jetaap wrote:
wow, single draft my team choses 4 farmers (TA, DK , Alch tiny) so i take bane as it's the only support that i have in my pool.

Ta with brown boots and bottle 25 min in.
Alch "rushes" a midas with glove of haste first item and greevil greed first against a weaver zeus dual lane...
Tiny goes mana boots and a nul talisman (his only items 25 min in)

Meanwhile i've been warding, sentrying buying courrier and flying and i'm the second most farmed hero with the most kills in my teams..

Looking at the game count there is a huge discrepancy between players, from 70 games to 700 games, and the skill difference is enormous. I know the amount of games doesn't necessarily correlates perfectly with your skill, but when 1 player has 10 times the experience than the other, most of the time he is much better from what i've seen in my games. There was inexeperienced players in both teams, but the problem is that MM probably expected me to "carry" the team, which i cant do with a support bane.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/253523466


Bane is on top of that a fairly hard hero to play in an unorganized team with inexperienced players. I don't know how often I sleep someone in order for us to get close and kill him then someone from our team takes the sleep of and flames me for sleeping him...

I still love playing the hero, you can do so much stuff everywhere, one of my favorite supports.


I once nightmared a lifestealer so mirana could arrow him. Nope gotta right click him, "bane retard".
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
July 26 2013 22:00 GMT
#13163
Fuck people who lastpick retarded shit. Random draft. Pick spectre first. Guess what follows? Fucking jugg, weaver, pugna(carry build ofc). Already I'm like "fml". I'm like "support plox!!"

Then weaver goes.....wait for it...wait for it..."tank plz!!" "pick a tank" "we need a tank!!!!!"
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[image loading]

Then, inevidably, what happens is that the last guy doesn't pick in time and randoms Meepo. Go top dire, like I called as soon as I picked spectre. Quelling blade jugg starts contesting every single lasthit. Out dual melee lane is getting raped. Ofc, jugg is going to the "no heal wards" build.

Like, why would you pick that shit?? When you know what we have so far. Already I play support like >50% of my games. Once in a while I get firstpick and just want to play a hero that I like. Nope. Absolutely not. No way.

And the icing on the cake? The WHOLE GAME no one bought a courier! I was considering it at one point but was like "fuck it. no point." Enemy team was raping from the beginning anyways.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 22:31:54
July 26 2013 22:26 GMT
#13164
Match ID
http://dotabuff.com/matches/254009134

His initial item build, asked him if he needed to get pooled regen, he said nope
http://i.imgur.com/34cSaIr.jpg
So naturally, he decides to give up first blood
http://i.imgur.com/Z82ZF8R.jpg
Ofcourse, he refuses to buy boots 25 minutes into the game, getting no silence, ice arrow, and keeps solo pushing and feeding. He dies 3 times throughout the game trying to find an alpha wolf the kill.
http://i.imgur.com/jQpPvIe.jpg
So, you thought this idiot was just some newbie right?
http://i.imgur.com/nBJR7sk.jpg
Feel free to post his on reddit etc. I'm the offlane tidehunter in this game. The spectre was pretty horrible too... Not to mention the amount of griefing and flaming he did.

Most of the team used our precious reports on him. I honestly hope this guy gets a week muted or LPQ...

Edit: and yes, I died multiple times trying to save my team, another mistake you should never make in matchup, even if you're the 5 position wardbitch.
the throws never bothered me anyway
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
July 26 2013 23:02 GMT
#13165
lel drow ranger with no frost arrows. ^^
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
Xaga
Profile Joined June 2010
United States163 Posts
July 26 2013 23:19 GMT
#13166
10 fucking losses in a row. Some not so bad. About half of them, someone on my team calls gg by 10-20 minutes and everyone argues for the rest of the game. Why can't I just get a team that wants to play the damn game?

My last game, I had a leshrac wander around the top of the map, using split earth on trees for 15 minutes, until he died. Then he respawned and started doing it in our base. I don't even want to play this game anymore.

And it's not even like I'm new. I have over 800 games played, play in very high bracket, have long winning streaks. It just doesn't make any sense. Why so many shitty games all of a sudden? Gaben pls
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
July 27 2013 01:03 GMT
#13167
Me + friends on a 4 stack. Opposing team pauses cuz their TA had to reconnect which took around 5 minutes. So we managed to chat up the other guy and get a good solid plan. But hell, barathrum infested with Naix is just plain irritating. Had to reconnect after a teamfight, Steam took so LONG to actually log in and boom, I had to take the leave bullet cuz a friend had to go. I hate South East Asia's Server, games are below 100ms ping with 0% packet loss and I'm still lagging. US West is so much better even if it's 200-250ms ping delay.


Solo queued over at US West and got a good kill streak with venge.


"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
July 27 2013 01:23 GMT
#13168
On July 27 2013 06:14 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 06:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On July 26 2013 20:28 Dfgj wrote:
On July 26 2013 15:02 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
is it me or has matchmaking decided that I must lose every game and get matched with complete turkeys?

Honestly, I scan other team at least two people 600+ games... Scan my team <200... I'm at around 400... (dota 1 player originally)... constant rape

Number of games doesn't dictate MMR.

There's absolutely no correlation whatsoever right?

None at all. 40,0000 games could have a lower MMR than a player who played 5.

I don't think you understand the word correlation. A woman could be taller than a man. The average woman is not taller than the average man. There is a strong correlation between being female and being shorter than the average human.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
July 27 2013 03:09 GMT
#13169
got LD cauldron for immortal item... can't even see cosmetics on ld... F U VALVE
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 06:25:24
July 27 2013 05:32 GMT
#13170
wrong thread soz
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 27 2013 05:49 GMT
#13171
On July 27 2013 10:23 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 06:14 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2013 06:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On July 26 2013 20:28 Dfgj wrote:
On July 26 2013 15:02 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
is it me or has matchmaking decided that I must lose every game and get matched with complete turkeys?

Honestly, I scan other team at least two people 600+ games... Scan my team <200... I'm at around 400... (dota 1 player originally)... constant rape

Number of games doesn't dictate MMR.

There's absolutely no correlation whatsoever right?

None at all. 40,0000 games could have a lower MMR than a player who played 5.

I don't think you understand the word correlation. A woman could be taller than a man. The average woman is not taller than the average man. There is a strong correlation between being female and being shorter than the average human.

Correlation only applies on the basis of the entire sample base. If you assume that the MMR system is working, then the assumption would be that you're seeing the outliers.

Let's use an analogy here. Let's say Canada has 1000 Grizzly Bears and 10 Black Bears, and the US has 1000 Black Bears and 10 Grizzly Bears. If I'm standing in the middle of the Massachusetts wilderness and see 5 Grizzly Bears, the reasonable person inside of me says "Oh, cool, I'm seeing the few rare Grizzly Bears in the United States. This is clearly more memorable than those Black Bears I saw earlier."

The DotA2 QQer in me says "Fuck this shit, cartographers are dumb-asses, I'm clearly in Canada".
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 27 2013 08:06 GMT
#13172
man, i've just had the worst matches lately. Its not that the players are bad mechanically, they just can't seem to comprehend concepts like.. Lanes. Or team composition
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
July 27 2013 08:09 GMT
#13173
I don't know, I'm still not convinced that the MMR system is "broken" based on forum arguments. Only a small part of the online population is searching at the same time as you, and there is the sigma (or whatever it was called), or fudge factor for 10 players to take into account, so you can always expect people who either have few games played or are making big strides/losses to have their uncertainty fluctuate and end up in what appear to be poorly matched teams.

Maybe the system can be more precise, but I don't think its performance is unusually bad for the variables it has to deal with.
._. \: |: /: .-. :\ :| :/ ._. They see me rolling...
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 27 2013 08:11 GMT
#13174
On July 27 2013 17:09 Vod.kaholic wrote:
I don't know, I'm still not convinced that the MMR system is "broken" based on forum arguments. Only a small part of the online population is searching at the same time as you, and there is the sigma (or whatever it was called), or fudge factor for 10 players to take into account, so you can always expect people who either have few games played or are making big strides/losses to have their uncertainty fluctuate and end up in what appear to be poorly matched teams.

Maybe the system can be more precise, but I don't think its performance is unusually bad for the variables it has to deal with.

I'm not saying its broken
All I'm in that my personal experience over the last two days has been exceptionally poor.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 08:22:34
July 27 2013 08:21 GMT
#13175
On July 27 2013 17:11 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 17:09 Vod.kaholic wrote:
I don't know, I'm still not convinced that the MMR system is "broken" based on forum arguments. Only a small part of the online population is searching at the same time as you, and there is the sigma (or whatever it was called), or fudge factor for 10 players to take into account, so you can always expect people who either have few games played or are making big strides/losses to have their uncertainty fluctuate and end up in what appear to be poorly matched teams.

Maybe the system can be more precise, but I don't think its performance is unusually bad for the variables it has to deal with.

I'm not saying its broken
All I'm in that my personal experience over the last two days has been exceptionally poor.


And that's fair, but personal experience doesn't necessarily say anything about the system at large, just that you've been unfortunate.

In my personal experience, I don't care how many games someone has played, I care more about the attitude they bring to a game. Recently I've been running into more flamers who are content to play the blame game for 40 minutes as soon as one thing goes wrong, and I think I must be in wood league again. But the way I see it is, if I'm complaining about how I got matched up with these guys, am I any better than they are?

EDIT: Also, my initial post was not directed towards you, just airing out my own ideas about the recent MM complaints.
._. \: |: /: .-. :\ :| :/ ._. They see me rolling...
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 13:16:34
July 27 2013 13:10 GMT
#13176
Wow i went for a 2-3 weeks break, and i had nothing but horrendous game since then. Horrible mentality (people calling each other faggots and such from the get go), absolutely horrible level of play and game knowledge, and overall uninteresting games even when i'm winning.
I was one of the guys that has nothing against match making up until recently, but really it's extremely annoying right now.
I'm not going to play dota for a while, i'm not having fun at all.

edit: and to top it all, i was playing random ursa against spiritbreaker (stunning me all day long even with bkb), dazzle, treant, spectre,invoker.
Good luck killing anyone with treant/dazzle.
1nobody
Profile Joined May 2013
Czech Republic2040 Posts
July 27 2013 14:01 GMT
#13177
Bane went for 40 minute bloodstone, cause we were getting rape, and that was supposed to help us Too bad two racks were already down.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 16:08:28
July 27 2013 15:29 GMT
#13178
"Safe lane lone druid is bad" - A stack of 4 people who I am just playing with. They even started calling me russian LOL.

edit:

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I finished the game 13-1-12. Victory ofc. Damn, easy lane sylla totally sucks ass.
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
July 27 2013 16:05 GMT
#13179
Enemy ancient 1 hp, team goes after enemy heroes. Team dies. Enemy man-pushes it. We lose.
Gotuso
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands733 Posts
July 27 2013 16:14 GMT
#13180
Good god, I hate Pudges that don't buy wards/dust or anything. Only support but people expect me to buy everything, fuck that shit.
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