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On June 21 2013 15:15 SKYFISH_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 10:55 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
Having a jungler in a pub game is almost an auto-loss. I pretty much facepalm when someone announces this at the start of a game. only if the solo lane happens to be your safelane and gets wreck'd. because your dual offlane wont be able to do much by default and most mids end up even. so technically you've lost two lanes with mid being even and the jungle gets contested. gg prophet gets out of the jungle with mids/boots and decent levels around the 10 minute mark axe can make it out around 6-7 depending on camp spawns and can absolutely destroy whichever lane he chooses to appear in. a decent doombringer can gank the safelane with ult around 8-9 enigma can come out a minute or two earlier ursa can get a rosh easily around 10-11-12 this is afk jungling, mind you, most junglers can come out for a gank as long as the goddamn safelane is not being raped 2v1. however, as a guy who mostly picks junglers, i can tell you from experience that your team will never ever fucking pick a stable dual safe lane+a good offlaner. its up to you to be that guy who picks an offlaner and make sure you dont feed. that way your jungler will be more willing to come out of the jungle when he sees that not all lanes have lost hardcore.
basically true, people dont pick around the junglers in pubs, and then they fail, if its the standard 2-1-2 pub shit, and someone announces jungler, i just go lone druid, lone druid does amazing against the shitty duel lanes and can even get some kills once level 5 rolls around if they are shitty and dont pull and stack. Just pick good solid offlaners and then it all comes down to if your mid doesnt lose horribly, and your duel lane doesn't lose horribly.
my qq, dont try to gank fucking mid in pubs, the mid never knows to harass to lower his hp to make my gank successful, they just expect my shitty stun to be able to beat him down when he has full life and they go wtf when we cant kill them.
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On June 21 2013 15:15 SKYFISH_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 10:55 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
Having a jungler in a pub game is almost an auto-loss. I pretty much facepalm when someone announces this at the start of a game. only if the solo lane happens to be your safelane and gets wreck'd. because your dual offlane wont be able to do much by default and most mids end up even. so technically you've lost two lanes with mid being even and the jungle gets contested. gg prophet gets out of the jungle with mids/boots and decent levels around the 10 minute mark axe can make it out around 6-7 depending on camp spawns and can absolutely destroy whichever lane he chooses to appear in. a decent doombringer can gank the safelane with ult around 8-9 enigma can come out a minute or two earlier ursa can get a rosh easily around 10-11-12 this is afk jungling, mind you, most junglers can come out for a gank as long as the goddamn safelane is not being raped 2v1. however, as a guy who mostly picks junglers, i can tell you from experience that your team will never ever fucking pick a stable dual safe lane+a good offlaner. its up to you to be that guy who picks an offlaner and make sure you dont feed. that way your jungler will be more willing to come out of the jungle when he sees that not all lanes have lost hardcore.
Sure, but the team has to know from the beginning that you are going to jungle. Literally 1 jungler in 10 will actually announce jungle. The rest will just pick a jungle-ish hero like doom/axe/ls and expect us to guess. Or, more frequently, lastpick a jungler when there's an offlane support standing there with wards and a tango.
If you take a jungler who can also lane, and your team doesn't work around you, it's really on you to go save the solo off CM. Yeah, you would have done better in jungle for the first ten mins, but you sure won't do better in the next ten if their carry gets fed 5-0.
Again, a good jungler with a good solo off is fantastic in pubs. Personally, I think it's almost an instant win. But if nobody takes that strong solo, the jungle is not where you should be.
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At this point I'm more afraid of some junglers than if they laned, because pubs will forget they exist until the afkfarmed naix comes out and eats them.
I've been lucky with people actually calling jungle so I can pick solo offlaners, and it can really work well since it almost guarantees someone on the team isn't going to feed.
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I'm ok with people going jungle because it means that they can't miss last hits
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On June 21 2013 18:43 hooahah wrote:
I'm ok with people going jungle because it means that they can't miss last hits
meh, I saw some jungler that single pull and miss the last hit to creeps all the time
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On June 21 2013 18:43 hooahah wrote:
I'm ok with people going jungle because it means that they can't miss last hits
I want to play with people you're playing with.
I guess without pulling or enemies nearby it's true.
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On June 21 2013 17:34 Dfgj wrote:
At this point I'm more afraid of some junglers than if they laned, because pubs will forget they exist until the afkfarmed naix comes out and eats them.
I did this for a while to break losing streaks. Very rarely did people even try to come after me. I'd just farm up. Fast midas. Boots, Armlet, Basher, Hyperstone. Walk out of the jungle in that state and basically kill everything no matter what my allies had done.
Occassionally it'd be a pain because they'd gank. One time they came into jungle as a 4-5 at minute 1 and ganked me, giving immediate first blood. I thought the game was going to be hell if they're smart enough to do that...it wasn't. After that single gank they backed off and never hassled me again.
I don't mind junglers on the team. But you HAVE to have a good solo offlane hero in your lineup or you get annihilated. My personal preference is Windrunner, really enjoy getting the chance to solo offlane as her. Without that offlaner its way better to just standard pub 2-1-2.
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Why is it so hard to not get solo killed by nyx? Just don't solo push towers, stay together or near a ward... I didn't get solo killed once, WR 6 times.
Also fuck people who think they're funny and random, your 'clever' BM involving internet shit and Kappa isn't funny, no one likes it and no one likes you nerd.
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On June 21 2013 13:47 writer22816 wrote:
5 man stacks who all random and get a lineup like Lina, Lion, Beastmaster, Rubick and Lone Druid along with a 1250 gold advantage from the start. Seriously fuck that shit.
I feel hypocritical complaining cause I random so much, but I think the extra gold thing is really stupid. It's especially stupid to pick a hero and then have to lane mid vs someone who randomed a good mid hero, and now starts with a wraith / talisman / bracer along with his regen. Vs a competant player whos aggressive enough it already puts you at a huge disadvantage in lane. I know randoming is supposed to be a disadvantage, but eventually you reach a level where people know how to play most heroes well, and have seen them in action enough to know general skill and item builds.
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On June 21 2013 22:42 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 13:47 writer22816 wrote:
5 man stacks who all random and get a lineup like Lina, Lion, Beastmaster, Rubick and Lone Druid along with a 1250 gold advantage from the start. Seriously fuck that shit. I feel hypocritical complaining cause I random so much, but I think the extra gold thing is really stupid. It's especially stupid to pick a hero and then have to lane mid vs someone who randomed a good mid hero, and now starts with a wraith / talisman / bracer along with his regen. Vs a competant player whos aggressive enough it already puts you at a huge disadvantage in lane. I know randoming is supposed to be a disadvantage, but eventually you reach a level where people know how to play most heroes well, and have seen them in action enough to know general skill and item builds.
But it's equally stupid as the randomer to roll themselves a 4th/5th carry or just something they don't want to play (like meepo) and have to repick to forfeit 100 gold. Whenever I had to deal with some random qop random with a talisman and mass regen or a zeus with mass clarities I just think of all the times he randomed crappy heroes or had to repick.to make myself feel better
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My team managed to throw a 20 0 lead with 2 tower advantage, I totally exclude myself from this fail, my warding and counterwarding was great but they did not build a single bkb despite them having almost only magical dmg.
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My criteria now if I think you are truly a noob in this game:
Not buying wards if you are at least a 4 or 5, and building Vanguard on any hero other than Axe (and maybe BB). No detection and vision of the map = BAD. Building an item on a ranged or agil hero who's role is not to tank = BAD
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On June 21 2013 23:31 nojok wrote:
My team managed to throw a 20 0 lead with 2 tower advantage, I totally exclude myself from this fail, my warding and counterwarding was great but they did not build a single bkb despite them having almost only magical dmg.
Did you tell them to build BKB's?
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On June 21 2013 23:57 sacrilegious wrote:
My criteria now if I think you are truly a noob in this game:
Not buying wards if you are at least a 4 or 5, and building Vanguard on any hero other than Axe (and maybe BB). No detection and vision of the map = BAD. Building an item on a ranged or agil hero who's role is not to tank = BAD
whenever I see an enemy PL build a Vanguard, I sigh a breath of relief.
PL with a Yasha, Vanguard, Vlads...thank fucking god he doesn't know how to play.
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oh my god I just had a nprophet who thought it was cool to mid (even though our tiny wanted it) and then proceeded to get a 25 min midas into sprouting our team whenever, especially when we retreated from fights and stuff.
the fucking douche was muted already thank god (I wonder why), need some sort of dota hell for the idiot
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I wonder why Tide was muted...maybe because he was a total dicktard...nah, that can't be it...
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An AP game from a while ago - I pick NP pretty early intending to jungle so I can get better at him. A guy on our team waits until the pick time is over, picks LD, and has the gall to exclaim "TWO JUNGLERS?!" in team chat. I tell him he can go offlane (we're dire), but it quickly becomes obvious he has no idea how to offlane LD. He feeds 3 kills by 10m including first blood. Looking at his lane once, I notice that his strategy is to have no items on the bear and use the bear as a ward in the woods while he goes in for last hits himself and gets exposed to stuns and harrass. Fortunately he abandoned some time after the 3rd or 4th death. Blah.
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On June 22 2013 03:14 Vod.kaholic wrote:
An AP game from a while ago - I pick NP pretty early intending to jungle so I can get better at him. A guy on our team waits until the pick time is over, picks LD, and has the gall to exclaim "TWO JUNGLERS?!" in team chat. I tell him he can go offlane (we're dire), but it quickly becomes obvious he has no idea how to offlane LD. He feeds 3 kills by 10m including first blood. Looking at his lane once, I notice that his strategy is to have no items on the bear and use the bear as a ward in the woods while he goes in for last hits himself and gets exposed to stuns and harrass. Fortunately he abandoned some time after the 3rd or 4th death. Blah.
It's really takes a bit of practice to play LD well in the offlane, and if you're so good, why not let him jungle and offlane as prophet?
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Ugh, had a very annoying win as a DK. went safelane with an Axe (he had stout shield/ring of protection), insisted on laning) fought for last hits, and when I finally called him out, he replied "i carry". Oh sure, why don't you be the carry, and I'll whore assist gold until I can buy a blink and stun one person!
We end up taking first blood (and by "we", I mean, "he", though that one was the RNG's fault), dominate the OmniDrow offlane, and with his newfound levels, proceeds to farm some more, telling me that if I want to farm, I can switch lanes with one of the supports.
I take to the jungle and come out a few minutes later with an Armlet, show up to a teamfight at the T1 ruins, we win handily. Everyone disperses, no pushes or ganks, so I return to farming.
Axe then begins to say "not only does our DK afk farm" (le gasp! who would do such a thing!?) as (mid-sentence, I assume), one HotD later I come into mid to remind Drow why she's not picked competitively and why LD needs to watch his bear. Of course I don't get any more than assist gold because our carry Axe performs some excellent Kill Secures. Well Played!
I then tele top to our T2, defend it, then push the entire lane to their T2 while making a pit stop in the jungle for an Alpha Wolf and some easy camps. The rest of the team, having taken mid tower, then begins to dance outside the base, and when they realize their glorious red leader can't do it and leave TA to die, I show up and kill Drow, LD, and the poor darkseer who forgot I do splash damage.
If only I hadn't farmed, what was I thinking!?
Axe, with his new scepter, begins securing kills all the livelong day and tries to fountain camp while all the T3 towers and rax are up. After I clean mid I head home to finish my Mjollnir and with some more ults Axe secures TA's kills, comes out in allchat again, saying "See I carry". I'm almost proud of you.
They then comment about how I was farming (hell, it's even in the rulebook, the jungle is an aesthetic). Way to straighten me out.
By this point, I've gotten enough items to solo them (though they had a really pesky Invoker who I wish would have sunstruck a certain red axeman to settle his ego but w/e), and get a triple kill on the same tri as last time. My team then wraps up the game, concluding that I'm bad, once again making me piss off my doctor with how much salt I'm taking when listening to "advice" on this game.
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Horrible losing streak. Decided to break it with weaver who I was 6-0 with.
Nope. Valve had other plans. Our zeus lost mid so hard that even though I went 5-0 in the early game it just couldn't make a difference
End score 12-4-11
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