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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
I think Gabe must love me. | ||
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DarkEnergy
Netherlands542 Posts
But soo bad and maddening | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
On June 21 2013 10:55 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Having a jungler in a pub game is almost an auto-loss. I pretty much facepalm when someone announces this at the start of a game. I don't think that's necessarily true. Sure if it's jungle Druid, Bloodseeker, Doom, etc. then yeah the game is 4v5 but players that know how to make use of that xp advantage can easily gain huge momentum. I'd say junglers are better in pubs because no one bothers to mess with you in jungle or tri-lane against one of your side-lanes. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On June 21 2013 10:45 Soluhwin wrote: I hate... HATE stacks that just blame it all on the other guy. A Razor/Jakiro lost lane to a solo sniper, Prophet would rather farm jungle than push, but Invoker wasn't YYF so it was probably his fault we lost. I can't stand playing heros like Invoker or Meepo unless I'm with a 5-stack because whatever happens, it's your fault the team lost. stacks that blame the 5th are awful. unless its actually the randoms fault and when i use to 4 stack most of the games we do get a pretty awful 5th but we never flamed it. | ||
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InfectedGoat
Canada444 Posts
enemy team : well coordinated, not overconfident or greedy. my team : Я ненавижу эту чертову игру | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
On June 21 2013 10:55 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Having a jungler in a pub game is almost an auto-loss. I pretty much facepalm when someone announces this at the start of a game. I play Chen quite often in pubs (yes, I'm daring, and yes, I get blamed a lot for losses) but I don't think I cause auto-losses :O | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On June 21 2013 11:07 Soluhwin wrote: I don't think that's necessarily true. Sure if it's jungle Druid, Bloodseeker, Doom, etc. then yeah the game is 4v5 but players that know how to make use of that xp advantage can easily gain huge momentum. I'd say junglers are better in pubs because no one bothers to mess with you in jungle or tri-lane against one of your side-lanes. Honestly, junglers are great in pubs. Nobody ever bothers them so they get everything they need quickly, and if they're half-awake they can 3v2 the safe lane from time to time and win that as well. The offlaner gets solo xp, the jungler gets levels and money from a resource that would otherwise go to waste. If they stay there until 25:00, sure, they're a problem, but a jungler that comes out with a big power peak around 10-15 is fantastic, because nobody ever puts major pressure down before that in a pub. If a pub is lost before then, i would blame the lane that fed, not the jungler. I will admit I hate junglers who do it silently, and are totally oblivious to the rest of the lanes. Axe is the worst because he's such a freaking beast in lane, and people often pick range carries to go with him only to watch him take helix and leave them to solo off sniper. Oh, and there's also a special circle of hell reserved for "I lane until lv4 because I can't be bothered to choke point" junglers. But good ones are fine. | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On June 21 2013 11:07 Soluhwin wrote: I don't think that's necessarily true. Sure if it's jungle Druid, Bloodseeker, Doom, etc. then yeah the game is 4v5 but players that know how to make use of that xp advantage can easily gain huge momentum. I'd say junglers are better in pubs because no one bothers to mess with you in jungle or tri-lane against one of your side-lanes. In that respect it's a good thing, but it doesn't outweigh the negatives in my experience. Either you get screwy lanes (like solo support hard lane) because the jungler announced it late (and good luck getting people to rotate), the jungler can't actually jungle that well (and would've been better off just staying in lane rather than falling behind), or they afk jungle for 30 minutes and don't even join fights near them. Maybe not an auto-loss, but it's rare to see it work out at my level. | ||
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tpmraven
United States833 Posts
Also, he is amazing running out of the trees and placing a hunger on almost any melee hero and standing between them and the creeps. If i play an active role harassing safe lane and mid, i can help win both lanes. I also feel like he is a hero that's strong with very little farm. Boots/blink/blademail. so you don't really "miss" the gold you lose by not afk farming. | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
On June 20 2013 07:10 Klonere wrote: CM game is where i hit 50% since then..... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/un4Ihpw.png) I've seen worse my friend...I lost I think 15 games in a row not long ago? | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
I need more sleep, and a break from dota. Playing some of the worst dota in the past year. | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
On June 21 2013 10:55 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Having a jungler in a pub game is almost an auto-loss. I pretty much facepalm when someone announces this at the start of a game. only if the solo lane happens to be your safelane and gets wreck'd. because your dual offlane wont be able to do much by default and most mids end up even. so technically you've lost two lanes with mid being even and the jungle gets contested. gg prophet gets out of the jungle with mids/boots and decent levels around the 10 minute mark axe can make it out around 6-7 depending on camp spawns and can absolutely destroy whichever lane he chooses to appear in. a decent doombringer can gank the safelane with ult around 8-9 enigma can come out a minute or two earlier ursa can get a rosh easily around 10-11-12 this is afk jungling, mind you, most junglers can come out for a gank as long as the goddamn safelane is not being raped 2v1. however, as a guy who mostly picks junglers, i can tell you from experience that your team will never ever fucking pick a stable dual safe lane+a good offlaner. its up to you to be that guy who picks an offlaner and make sure you dont feed. that way your jungler will be more willing to come out of the jungle when he sees that not all lanes have lost hardcore. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 21 2013 12:09 xAdra wrote: I play Chen quite often in pubs (yes, I'm daring, and yes, I get blamed a lot for losses) but I don't think I cause auto-losses :O I do too, but Chen isn't one of the regular afkjunglers in the sense of how Furion, Naix or Enchantress are played in pubs. He needs to be really active in ganking and pushing and mobile all game long, or he's insignificant. That's why he's rarely played by people who like to hide in the jungle because laning is scary and only come out of it 30 minutes later.  | ||
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