EPTOn May 18 2013 16:02 itsthewoo wrote:
What exactly do you suggest he do? They've already added in solo mm.
What exactly do you suggest he do? They've already added in solo mm.
clearly he wants them nerfed to the ground because its anti-fun
riot pls
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
clearly he wants them nerfed to the ground because its anti-fun riot pls | ||
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Shootemup.
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Shaella
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On May 18 2013 14:27 Belisarius wrote: lol. Just had an sf never level shadowraze because "it's useless skill" Bro plz, right click Shadow Fiend is best Shadow Fiend. | ||
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On May 18 2013 16:50 Shaella wrote: Your team needed to win at like, 25 minutes because your 1 was viper That is what I was thinking, but it can be hard to coordinate pubs sometimes. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
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Kamakiri
Sweden312 Posts
On May 18 2013 16:02 itsthewoo wrote: What exactly do you suggest he do? They've already added in solo mm. How about nerfing PL since he is severly imbalanced in public dota. I get that he is fine competitively but in public he is just a poorly designed hero that requires unfair amounts of attention to have a chance of being stopped. It seems that icefrog only cares if a hero is fine in competitive dota, resulting in heroes getting ridiculous amounts of buffs that does not necessarily make the viable in competitive, but disgusting to face in pub. I am also against the whole concept about having incredible strong carries that are incredible hard to gang. I mean you can buy dust and sentries against PL and try to gang him, he will still have a strong chance of surviving because he can purge dust with diffblade and with his high MS he can run out of sentry range. On top of this it's a pain in the ass to find the real one in the first place. PL is poorly designed and a failure from icefrog, it is time that he got fixed. Until then i will stop playing -AP | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
On May 18 2013 14:27 Belisarius wrote: lol. Just had an sf never level shadowraze because "it's useless skill" I don't think he ever got above about 10 souls. The other team were pretty good and ganked him repeatedly, which isn't really his fault, but it's kind of hard to catch up in jungle when the skill that lets you do so is "useless"... Bonus points for the muted SK in my lane who took caustic first and only stopped autoattacking when he left to single pull. I finally stopped playing with one of my RL friends because he said he wasn't going to level Blackhole 'til 10 because it's useless before then. I don't even know man | ||
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:05 FuzzyJAM wrote: Bro plz, right click Shadow Fiend is best Shadow Fiend. Raze last SF confirmed for best SF I do it for fun rarely in MM, with a high level in presence and full souls you can 3 hit most squishy mids early-mid game. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:40 Kamakiri wrote: How about nerfing PL since he is severly imbalanced in public dota. I get that he is fine competitively but in public he is just a poorly designed hero that requires unfair amounts of attention to have a chance of being stopped. It seems that icefrog only cares if a hero is fine in competitive dota, resulting in heroes getting ridiculous amounts of buffs that does not necessarily make the viable in competitive, but disgusting to face in pub. I am also against the whole concept about having incredible strong carries that are incredible hard to gang. I mean you can buy dust and sentries against PL and try to gang him, he will still have a strong chance of surviving because he can purge dust with diffblade and with his high MS he can run out of sentry range. On top of this it's a pain in the ass to find the real one in the first place. PL is poorly designed and a failure from icefrog, it is time that he got fixed. Until then i will stop playing -AP Your qualm seems to lie in the fact that he has invis. Do you hate riki, BH, and clinkz too? PL doesn't come equipped with a diffusal. So saying "Oh he can just purge the dust with diffusal" is dumb. High movement speed? He has roughly the same movement speed as everyone else. There's very few heroes that have incredibly high base movement speed. The only issue is late game illusions being absolutely fucking retarded, but that's an issue even in competitive dota. There's a billion ways to shut him down, hence why he is never picked. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:31 convention wrote: My QQ: Do I ever hate long pauses. Why am I the jerk for restarting the game after waiting 15 minutes for someone to return? Honestly, at that point I almost want to just take the abandon myself rather than waiting for 30 minutes then say "golly gee guys, guess they aren't returning, now let's resume and wait another 5 minutes before they get an abandon so we can actually play a game." The worst part of those long pauses, I can't do anything at all because my hero is in the middle of a gank, and if they resume while I'm making myself a meal then I just die. So I have to sit there, for 15 minutes, staring a screen. And when I finally do resume after 15 minutes I get flooded with "report veno, he keeps resuming." Of course I'm resuming, I don't feel like sitting around forever, waiting for the person who clearly had something else to do and left the game. In these situations where Im feeling impatient. I just tell the team straight up: Ill unpause after 2 min. Normally if they explain the situation or keep me updated, then Ill be more lenient and wait longer. But for the most part, the other team doesnt mind just waiting 2 min and just unpausing and hoping for the best. Communication really does wonders if you approach it the right way. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On May 18 2013 19:23 Emnjay808 wrote: In these situations where Im feeling impatient. I just tell the team straight up: Ill unpause after 2 min. Normally if they explain the situation or keep me updated, then Ill be more lenient and wait longer. But for the most part, the other team doesnt mind just waiting 2 min and just unpausing and hoping for the best. Communication really does wonders if you approach it the right way. I don't generally wait more than a minute or two. You have the extra 5 from the timer. If you're going to take longer than 7 or 8 minutes you probably should've not queued. My qq: 25 minutes and counting on solo queue matchmaking right now. 35 minutes. Guess I don't get to play a game before LGD vs. Tongfu QQ | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:40 Kamakiri wrote: How about nerfing PL since he is severly imbalanced in public dota. I get that he is fine competitively but in public he is just a poorly designed hero that requires unfair amounts of attention to have a chance of being stopped. It seems that icefrog only cares if a hero is fine in competitive dota, resulting in heroes getting ridiculous amounts of buffs that does not necessarily make the viable in competitive, but disgusting to face in pub. I am also against the whole concept about having incredible strong carries that are incredible hard to gang. I mean you can buy dust and sentries against PL and try to gang him, he will still have a strong chance of surviving because he can purge dust with diffblade and with his high MS he can run out of sentry range. On top of this it's a pain in the ass to find the real one in the first place. PL is poorly designed and a failure from icefrog, it is time that he got fixed. Until then i will stop playing -AP Yeah, well, you know that's just, like, your opinion, man. Also Icefrog does pay attention to pubs. He has nerfed heroes that were particularly strong in pubs even though they were very weak in competitive Dota, best example being Ursa. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On May 18 2013 18:47 ReignSupreme. wrote: Raze last SF confirmed for best SF I do it for fun rarely in MM, with a high level in presence and full souls you can 3 hit most squishy mids early-mid game. Which is all cool if you get souls from lane and snowball. This dude, though, was getting owned, solo death to clockwerk and then gank after gank. Kept going back to lane to build up dem souls with dat 49 damage. Finally, when a couple guys on our team had given a combined essay on his build, he took a single point, 1v5'd their push, and got blown up. "See? Useless." Honestly, at that point it was more amusing than anything. I'm still enjoying how manner solo queue is, even in situations like that. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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10734
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Anyway, we have druid, prophet and dk and we take 5 towers after 2 won fights and a pickoff. They had just a single tower left at 17 minutes, more than 10k gold and exp, ez game ez life. And then we throw, pickoff after pickoff after pickoff and we quickly lose all of our advantage and lose. Thing is, everyone (but me) played really well, I don't know why but I just had zero impact in fights.. maybe because I messed up earlier, feels so bad to throw a game. Even with my bad play, if we just went rosh, tried to take a 5 on 5 engagement and focus weaver instead of pudge we would've stomped them, like a 20-22 min gg. On the postive side, I had 35 more losses than wins, now it's just 2 so I'm getting better. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
know what I need to do in a lot of fights, and while my knowledge isn't perfect I feel like I know how to build most of the heroes I play properly. However, every fucking time we get in a big engagement its like my goddam fingers stop working. I know what I want done, but instead of forcing my ally out of the smoke and lifting riki I manage to do something like force a creep out of the smoke and then drop a ward in it. I don't understand why my fingers don't work. So frustrating  | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Zexion
Sweden971 Posts
On May 18 2013 17:40 Kamakiri wrote: How about nerfing PL since he is severly imbalanced in public dota. I get that he is fine competitively but in public he is just a poorly designed hero that requires unfair amounts of attention to have a chance of being stopped. It seems that icefrog only cares if a hero is fine in competitive dota, resulting in heroes getting ridiculous amounts of buffs that does not necessarily make the viable in competitive, but disgusting to face in pub. I am also against the whole concept about having incredible strong carries that are incredible hard to gang. I mean you can buy dust and sentries against PL and try to gang him, he will still have a strong chance of surviving because he can purge dust with diffblade and with his high MS he can run out of sentry range. On top of this it's a pain in the ass to find the real one in the first place. PL is poorly designed and a failure from icefrog, it is time that he got fixed. Until then i will stop playing -AP I'd say the real problem lies in the nature of public games, where most people refuse to play like a team. There are so many people who insist on playing solo, and that is the direct opposite of what you need to do in order to counter PL. No one wants to buy dusts/sentries even though 180/200 gold is almost nothing, especially in mid-game when everyone or at least 3 or 4 in the team can buy that stuff together. And also, carry TPs to stop him pushing everywhere. Always. You need to coordinate gangs well to stop him, and yes it's hard in public games, I know, but it doesn't mean that the hero is broken. And also, since the whole point with All Pick is that everyone can pick any hero they feel like playing, it's only natural that you end up with terrible lanes/hero line-ups sometimes. If PL gets decent farm while your team is losing their lanes, of course it will be hard to stop him. That being said, there are also good hero counters against PL. He is far from being OP or poorly designed. Sadly, people just don't know how or don't want to deal with him in public games. | ||
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