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If you farm for a perseverance, you have a weaker item for individual ganks (though good for long-term sustain) and you end up missing a lot of his early potential. Of course, you could be in the safelane with freefarm and get a 5 minute perseverance, but for the sake of this discussion I'm assuming an offlane BH with less than stellar farm.
BH has a peak around level 6/7 where he is really effective at ganking (max shuriken + track). Early/mid-game items like urn, medallion, bottle, treads, phase, etc. are quite effective on him at this point.
I won't say that going BF is bad for a BH who wants to go lategame - if you want to farm then battlefury is an S-tier item. But why would you pick BH with the idea to use him as a carry in the first place? He's not built as well as other heroes for that purpose, and he's built better than other heroes for the purpose of ganking.
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Almost won the game. Was playing NS and snowballing as fuck. But our riki built fucking ethereal blade. I ask him why he ought to build that item. He said it was to help our zeus. Cost us the game.
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no your team sucked, not your fault
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Why the hell does DS have a pipe and no meka against that team O.o
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Not really a QQ but a fun one : I got carried by a slark who went soulring, orb of venom brown boots as 1st items, He transitionned into treads, armlet, necro book lvl 1 then diffusal blade then max necrobook. He raped hard.
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Well the necrobook seems messed up but the rest of those items are legit.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
I like the casual vitality booster on that antimage
E: Regarding bfury on BH it's like 4350 for 65 damage and the ability to farm creeps quickly, right?
The real issue with bfury isn't that it's bad, but just that other items are really good.
like instead of a bfury you could get a bottle and a desolator for 4700 and be way better off, since desolator gives the same damage but an amazing armour reduction, and bottle should give you decent regen (since you're wandering anyways and will get some runes).
also instead of a bfury you could get a medallion, an urn, and drums/yasha and be a terrifying ganking machine
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fuck fuck fuck fuck.
"Hey Rubick, I see you are having an easy time mid. Let's gank the NP who is farming the jungle?"
<ignored>
"Lets gank NP rubick!"
<ignored>
<20min later>
Rubick: "OMG NP is so farmed"
WHY
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On May 02 2013 04:18 Blazinghand wrote:
I like the casual vitality booster on that antimage
E: Regarding bfury on BH it's like 4350 for 65 damage and the ability to farm creeps quickly, right?
The real issue with bfury isn't that it's bad, but just that other items are really good.
like instead of a bfury you could get a bottle and a desolator for 4700 and be way better off, since desolator gives the same damage but an amazing armour reduction, and bottle should give you decent regen (since you're wandering anyways and will get some runes).
also instead of a bfury you could get a medallion, an urn, and drums/yasha and be a terrifying ganking machine
I quite like vitality booster on AM before you get your manta, since you have very low strength gain it can be really helpful.
But yeah that guy was awful, at the end of the game he even tried to claim that PA got a 12 min bfury. I went to check the replay, it was an 18 min bfury, and she "rushed" it and got it with brown boots.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Wonderful dire game. So I'm Jakiro and my teammates are Jugg, Skywrath, Slar, and Tinker. I go bot with Slar, Skywrath/Jugg top and tinker mid. Skywrath doesn't pick up a courier or wards so I end up getting both. Slar feeds first blood and is pinging all the time. Luckily their Centaur dives me and feeds me a kill while Slardar is down. I upgrade the courier, buy more wards, etc. All game I am the only one who buys wards and the only one who buys any detection for their bounty hunter (and I also counterward). Despite this, I frugally manage to get an Urn, a magic wand, and eventually a mana boots.
All this is ok, since in pub games I'm used to being the only guy who buys any team items. all Jakiro really needs is boots and like a basilius or something to be good all game since he is jakiro. I'm okay being the guy who carries the team to victory by blotting out the sun in a forest of wards and stopping BH from getting big.
What I'm not okay with is people being mad at me for not having items when the other supports are refusing to buy wards and are like getting veils of discord and other random shit instead of a mek. Yes, I don't have a mek, because I bought the donkey, the crow, all the obs wards all game, sentries, and dust, and teleports for showing up at fights and counterganking. Yes, I don't have a pipe!
And asking the other team to report me when I have the fewest deaths and the most assists (this having died a couple times to save jugg or slardar) enrages me.
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On May 01 2013 21:35 Belisarius wrote:
Why do people build battlefury on bh? Why? Is it in the valve guide or some crap? I have had three BH in three games go for like 40 minute battlefuries. With svens and ams and spectres on our team each time as well. One went vlads bfury divine and then donated like 20s later.
Last game I had a great start as puck, got the team to like 10-2 by ten minutes or something, keep creating teamfights, coil/silencing 4+ heroes every time, felt like my best puck game ever. And then... the feed begins. 2 heroes randomly by their T2 when their T1 is still up. 3 heroes randomly stick in their jungle at 25% after a teamfight goes bad. 4 heroes 1 by 1 into their team mid. Every hero ever standing around for spiritbreaker to destroy, over and over and over. Oh and a bfury BH.
Finished like 12-8-11 when most of my teammates were 4-15 or worse. So depressing when I felt like I played the game of my life.
Bonus points for sven lecturing me on how I should have maxed phase shift first because we were "playing defensive"...
ugh that Puck story is the story of any time I play a heavy early/mid game ganker. I don't know how people constantly fumble being given so much space to farm and win the game.
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Seriously, MM can be so frustrating sometimes. Played a game, randomed medusa so i went safe lane while our clock went mid.
Brewmaster comes with me and contest last hit, insult me in russian when i ask him to stack and pull instead. He then leaves the lane. Fortunately they try to dive me and i end up getting a double kill with the help of NP.
Right after that magnus comes back top and gank brewmaster which proceeds to write "NO SS FUCKING NOOB" or something like that... yeah buddy he was dead, I can't know in advance where he will tp.
Then they somehow feed AM top, while our bh is getting a battlefury. Brew insults me again because i'm farming. Our clock mid goes 0-7 or something like that. Our clock went soul ring for some reason.. (no bottle)
Yeah i know i'm not a great player, but seriously I can't understand how people can be so utterly clueless after 500 games, and it saddens me so much that i'm matched with these.
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On May 02 2013 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:What I'm not okay with is people being mad at me for not having items when the other supports are refusing to buy wards and are like getting veils of discord and other random shit instead of a mek. Yes, I don't have a mek, because I bought the donkey, the crow, all the obs wards all game, sentries, and dust, and teleports for showing up at fights and counterganking. Yes, I don't have a pipe!
Yeah, that one is infuriating.
It feels like pub farming priorities are 1,1,1,1 and 5, and the four carries assume the one support should be able to perform every task that a whole three positions are normally dedicated to. And flame him if he can't.
Also frustrating is people raging about wards. Especially "We need wards!" spam when there are four on the map, but they don't happen to be in the obscure part of the jungle that that person chose to dive into when the whole enemy team was ss.
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QQ on behalf of the Drow on my team who did really well early game, and tried really hard to pull the team together in a bad situation. However it just wasn't enough to compensate for the first time Veno and the dumbass playing Undying who made that guy play a hero he'd never played before that both fed Shadow Fiend something like a 7 minute Shadow Blade. Game is hard.
If I allow myself one defense though, it's that I would expect even a completely new player to be able to hit a point blank Gale, rather than somehow ping it off at an exact 90 degree angle. And that they would figure out how to target a point and click nuke before the 4th or 5th time.
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On May 02 2013 09:51 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:What I'm not okay with is people being mad at me for not having items when the other supports are refusing to buy wards and are like getting veils of discord and other random shit instead of a mek. Yes, I don't have a mek, because I bought the donkey, the crow, all the obs wards all game, sentries, and dust, and teleports for showing up at fights and counterganking. Yes, I don't have a pipe! Yeah, that one is infuriating. It feels like pub farming priorities are 1,1,1,1 and 5, and the four carries assume the one support should be able to perform every task that a whole three positions are normally dedicated to. And flame him if he can't. Also frustrating is people raging about wards. Especially "We need wards!" spam when there are four on the map, but they don't happen to be in the obscure part of the jungle that that person chose to dive into when the whole enemy team was ss.
Here you go. Perfect example of pub Dota quad core at its finest. Off brood, mid NS, jungle naix and farming barathum. I play the lowly SD whose job it is to keep these idiots alive.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/185980055
Thankfully SB wasn't bad and actually fought most of the time. Though the brood of course after pushing t3 tower and taking it decided it was a good idea to start roaming all over the map. Of course this person also thought they were hot shit and was all chat talking in the game despite only getting cleanup kills and dying exceptionally quickly.
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On May 02 2013 12:11 LeLoup wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 09:51 Belisarius wrote:On May 02 2013 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:What I'm not okay with is people being mad at me for not having items when the other supports are refusing to buy wards and are like getting veils of discord and other random shit instead of a mek. Yes, I don't have a mek, because I bought the donkey, the crow, all the obs wards all game, sentries, and dust, and teleports for showing up at fights and counterganking. Yes, I don't have a pipe! Yeah, that one is infuriating. It feels like pub farming priorities are 1,1,1,1 and 5, and the four carries assume the one support should be able to perform every task that a whole three positions are normally dedicated to. And flame him if he can't. Also frustrating is people raging about wards. Especially "We need wards!" spam when there are four on the map, but they don't happen to be in the obscure part of the jungle that that person chose to dive into when the whole enemy team was ss. Here you go. Perfect example of pub Dota quad core at its finest. Off brood, mid NS, jungle naix and farming barathum. I play the lowly SD whose job it is to keep these idiots alive. http://dotabuff.com/matches/185980055Thankfully SB wasn't bad and actually fought most of the time. Though the brood of course after pushing t3 tower and taking it decided it was a good idea to start roaming all over the map. Of course this person also thought they were hot shit and was all chat talking in the game despite only getting cleanup kills and dying exceptionally quickly.
Random question, why do you have 2 AC on that team?
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On May 02 2013 06:00 kpp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 21:35 Belisarius wrote:
Why do people build battlefury on bh? Why? Is it in the valve guide or some crap? I have had three BH in three games go for like 40 minute battlefuries. With svens and ams and spectres on our team each time as well. One went vlads bfury divine and then donated like 20s later.
Last game I had a great start as puck, got the team to like 10-2 by ten minutes or something, keep creating teamfights, coil/silencing 4+ heroes every time, felt like my best puck game ever. And then... the feed begins. 2 heroes randomly by their T2 when their T1 is still up. 3 heroes randomly stick in their jungle at 25% after a teamfight goes bad. 4 heroes 1 by 1 into their team mid. Every hero ever standing around for spiritbreaker to destroy, over and over and over. Oh and a bfury BH.
Finished like 12-8-11 when most of my teammates were 4-15 or worse. So depressing when I felt like I played the game of my life.
Bonus points for sven lecturing me on how I should have maxed phase shift first because we were "playing defensive"... ugh that Puck story is the story of any time I play a heavy early/mid game ganker. I don't know how people constantly fumble being given so much space to farm and win the game.
On the plus side, my next puck game just now, I did just as well, but the MM rewarded me with a 700gpm antimage, a solo off DS who actually didn't feed, and a lion who really knew his job. And we utterly owned. Thanks Valve. Doesn't make it all worthwhile, but it's at least appreciated.
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When you're relying on Lycan to carry your team and he dies to Roshan while trying to solo him, you know you're fucked. I mean...there wasn't even anyone around the pit. He just got bashed by Rosh and straight up died..... At about the time the enemy team was knocking on our high ground too....
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Man. I've been getting shitty picking teammates today. One game, we have me as Warlock babysitting a Gyro, my friend mid as Batrider, and another friend on the offlane as Disruptor. Creeps spawn and last guy didn't pick. I didn't bother pausing or anything because the dude never responded all the times I asked if he was there, and I just figured he'd abandon. 5 seconds after creep spawning, "Any suggestions on what I should pick?" -_-. I say, "Strength initiator. centaur, sand king, ect." Picks Pudge. And he was terrible. At least we won that game (Veil of Discord -> Warlock ult amazing), but I honestly thought we were going to lose with a useless Pudge, and the Gyro ALMOST built Aghs before I told him, "Gyro, you NEED BKB and damage."
But then, next game. Guy picks OD. Not bad in itself, but i haven't seen a good OD player in a LONG time. I'm CK/AA lane with my friend and we're feeding on a Bane. Off lane Clock (who is somehow feeding kills, but whatever. Lots of people don't understand offlaning and try to actually get last hits). Enigma in the jungle. I'm gettting some good farm. Got my Armlet and Treads 15 minutes in. Suddenly! Lothars viper appears and kills me and AA. Then types in all chat how fed he is, how bad OD is, ect. He was being obnoxious, so I just started saying "mad" at the end of everything he said. We lose because the clock and OD keep trying to go solo (push the radiant's bot tower with no vision, oh no 4 people ganked me.) while they were doing some Bane/Viper/Night Stalker ganks. I finally told them to just turtle up. Of course Viper starts bitching about that, but it was too late and they just roll over us fed as fuck, and I couldn't really secure myself farm because I'd have to turtle base the moment Clock or OD died.
Okay, whatever. Bad teammates. Next game. Radiant Batrider mid (went terrible starting items), I'm Bristleback/AA laning top vs Drow/Jakiro. My friend picks Kunkka to go on the farm lane. Again, 5th guy doesn't pick. Creeps spawn. He asks who he should play. "Support Kunkka" I said....picks Tidehunter. I wasn't playing the best that game, but I wasn't feeding Drow, and I was being obnoxious enough to interrupt her last hits. I should've got more kills, but they were pretty tanky and AA couldn't trade auto attacks vs them, so they stayed at full health a lot. But again, I wasn't feeding, and the Drow was so focused on trying to kill that I don't think she was getting CS. Well my friend says over Skype, "This Tidehunter is useless and this Invoker and Ursa are just diving us." Invoker went Cold Snap...so the Ursa could kill everything. Well they didn't really have anything to stop it either. Then the Batrider was just oblivious, never ganking and losing mid. Well it was stupid. Again, I really think any ranged support would've turned that game around.
Last game of the night. Random Draft. I picked Chen first pick. Didn't notice the Warlock, was pressured, but whatever. Chen is my main and is a solid pick. Then my friend and a pub get WR (to offlane) and Naga. Okay, Support and Carry are accounted for! Next two guys pick....Veno. Alright, I guess he can support the Naga....and the other guy has Pugna highlighted. Not the best because we would've lacked ganking with their SK and Lifestealer, but I guess the ward would've been good versus ES and Warlock...I guess. Timer ticks down, suddenly he is playing Wisp! We have no fucking heroes to teleport with though. So Veno goes mid, actually does well. I told the guys to buy wards so I can rush Mek. I get a fucking 9 minutes Mekanism because of an early kill. That is the earliest ever. I get that Mek, 3 creeps, and I go to the off lane and push. I notice there is 3, so I get Veno to come, and we just push. Double kill, tower, another double kill, and the t2. Nice. Go mid. Double kill, tower, double kill tier 2 mid. 16 minutes in. Nice. Push bottom tier one.
And it seems as if this shit happens all of the time. We start owning, and Wisp and Naga just start to think, "Yea we're owning so hard, lets go farm their jungle." Kill a few camps, ganked, die. There are 3 more instances of hardasses thinking they can just walk in the jungle/push alone and solo gank people. After a few pointless deaths (and a 5+ minute delay on more pushing), I tell them to stay grouped up, we need all 5. Well, I don't know what happened, but I think those few fuck ups cost us the game, because while we were trying to push bottom tier 2, it was past the time that Mekanism was OP. So instead of WL and ES ult -> Hand of God and Mek "resurrecting" team. It became WL + ES ult -> Mek and Hand of God aren't enough. So we couldn't ever break their tier 2 bottom. We'd trade evenly. 2 for 2. 3 for 3. But, they had Skeleton King AND Lifestealer, along with Beastmaster, Warlock, and ES ult. So they just kept snowballing, and it was the most depressing lose because there was nothing I could do. We couldn't push in, and they would outfarm us. And we couldn't gank because what burst does Chen, WR, Veno, Wisp, and Naga have versus someone who can Rez and someone who can go magic immune. So fucking sad. 
Like I'm not even mad. I always try to play heroes that have a good impact, but I just hate whenever I do fine in my lane, and then suddenly people from the other lanes appear with items that they shouldn't have (I think I qq'd about a 7 minute blink dagger puck one time), and I can't do shit. Or in the last case where it is just an inevitable team comp loss.
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