EPTOn March 13 2013 06:28 10734 wrote:
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Teton
France1656 Posts
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itsthewoo
United States260 Posts
On March 13 2013 06:28 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm gonna make the argument that when 2/3 of your abilities require/revolve around units in melee range around you attacking you, and your ultimate also requires melee range, Axe is very much about standing next to opponents and being attacked by them. Obviously you'd like to use him as an initiator where you "disable" a large part of their team (through BKB no less) into attacking you while your team casts spells on them and gg's them, but often that is difficult to achieve in pubs. Battle hunger is a powerful ability and is quite good at punishing opponents who won't commit to engagements, but it isn't like that ability is enough to justify the hero. Axe peaks at the early mid game and drops off very quickly relative to most heroes. His late game presence is indeed as an initiator/disable and hard counter for repel and grave, but his early/mid game is best done by taking advantage of battle hunger and helix with creep aggro. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 13 2013 06:34 itsthewoo wrote: his early/mid game is best done by taking advantage of battle hunger and helix with creep aggro. Aka standing next to them and hoping/making them attack you. Which is easy to screw up. Thats what I started with. Yes, you abuse battle hunger to make them fight you (or creeps) which enables you to reach them, but that doesn't solve the problem of "what happens when I lose a manfight?". Its easy for pubs to get juuuuuust enough behind that all manfights are losing propositions, then your hero is basically a battle hunger machine. Not good. I'm not saying the hero is bad, I'm saying that (kinda like tusk) once severely behind the hero's abilities rapidly lose all utility in favour of axe becoming just a battle-hunger. | ||
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itsthewoo
United States260 Posts
On March 13 2013 06:41 Sn0_Man wrote: Aka standing next to them and hoping/making them attack you... Everything else in your post is more or less agreeable, but this still isn't accurate. In the stage of the game I'm referring to, people are farm more likely to run than fight (unless they're dumb), because you're only doing this when you have some sort of advantage. I neither hope nor try to make them attack me; I do hope that I get helix procs from creep aggro, though, in order to bridge the difference between a fountain trip / consumable and a kill. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
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Delphiki
Philippines1955 Posts
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
Axe best mid. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Fucking "replay pending" If I can't watch it, why list it? | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Suggesting that his build could do with some tweaking got the retort that it was from Purge. Oh. OK then. Well, I'm sure we all enjoyed that little experiment in how to actually do badly with PL. | ||
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
Begining. Single Draft. A tiny.. A small tiny... He said "I'll carry." I pick Dazzzle. Start with Phase boots-Drums.I started to think "omg someone knows how to play carry Tiny. I must help him whatever the cost." (At the end he didn't use Drum's charges.) Then he bought yasha before Agha. I started to think "He should have start agha first but whatever." Then he bought crystalis. I told him: " Buy agha ASAP. You can farm much more faster." He listened me. He bought agha. But as you can imagine he was behind already. We lost top and mid raxes. I thought Manta+Hyper. EzPz. We can still win. Enemy team don't have a hard carry. Gondar and kunkka are enemy main damage dealers. He finished agha. And.... And.... He bought Tarrasq. I asked "why?" He said "I must live." I replied "I can keep you alive. But you must farm Manta or BkB ASAP to get rid of disables. They insta-stun and permahex you." He said "ok." Then just 30 sec before we lose our last rax.. While we are tryin to defend our last rax in a 4v5 stiuation... He didn't use our courier and walk to the secret shop to sell his drums to buy.... A Divine Rapier.. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
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yrt123
Singapore1246 Posts
On March 13 2013 06:41 Sn0_Man wrote: Aka standing next to them and hoping/making them attack you. Which is easy to screw up. Thats what I started with. Yes, you abuse battle hunger to make them fight you (or creeps) which enables you to reach them, but that doesn't solve the problem of "what happens when I lose a manfight?". Its easy for pubs to get juuuuuust enough behind that all manfights are losing propositions, then your hero is basically a battle hunger machine. Not good. I'm not saying the hero is bad, I'm saying that (kinda like tusk) once severely behind the hero's abilities rapidly lose all utility in favour of axe becoming just a battle-hunger. Works at lower levels though. OOH hes so near ima whack him. WTF so pain WTF WTF. My friend goes and whack him when he doesnt even try to do much to us. He didn't cast hunger the whole laning stage. Axe is just happily auto attacking creeps. Nyx goes and hits him then get spinned a couple times. 'His spin level one also so painful' -.- | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
But yeah in 'higher level' games where people actually tp in to help their lane/counter-gank, heroes like axe would be less effective. | ||
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Zorkmid
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On March 13 2013 20:06 BlitzerSC wrote: MMMMM I love losing games because someone on the other team picked Nyx. Owned him in lane really hard, 10 minutes in he had like 0 kills and 6 deaths. At the end of the game he had 15 kills and 6 deaths, he could pretty much kill everyone on our team 1v1 just by himself. Oh, did I say he was support ? Yeah, I hope he'll get nerfed hard so those noobs who instalocks him every game won't win anymore. GG. Nyx pickers are the WORST. I have more respect for PL pickers. | ||
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yrt123
Singapore1246 Posts
On March 13 2013 20:46 FuzzyJAM wrote: Nyx pickers are the WORST. I have more respect for PL pickers. Yea at least i can be like you pick PL? fuck you i pick sven. Can't do anything against nyx when he goes around pwning other people >< | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On March 13 2013 21:30 yrt123 wrote: Yea at least i can be like you pick PL? fuck you i pick sven. Can't do anything against nyx when he goes around pwning other people >< But Nyx is so fun to play!  I almost feel like he could get a small nerf so people wouldn't yell at me everytime I picked him.edit: Also, Nyx worst situation is a bad start. Yes, he can very easily make a comeback even with 0-6 in lane if you let him, but without items, all he has is his burst damage, and if that burst isn't enough to kill someone, he wont be of much use. Basically, what I'm saying is: Don't let him get a good start (if he's mid, gank him. If he's in sidelane, harass. Just don't let him get something like an early dagon), and have your supports never be alone after he hits lvl 6 and if he's missing. (If you're kotl, cling on to your carry like you're a 2 year old clinging to his mom). | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On March 13 2013 21:38 Excludos wrote: But Nyx is so fun to play! I almost feel like he could get a small nerf so people wouldn't yell at me everytime I picked him.edit: Also, Nyx worst situation is a bad start. Yes, he can very easily make a comeback even with 0-6 in lane if you let him, but without items, all he has is his burst damage, and if that burst isn't enough to kill someone, he wont be of much use. Basically, what I'm saying is: Don't let him get a good start (if he's mid, gank him. If he's in sidelane, harass. Just don't let him get something like an early dagon), and have your supports never be alone after he hits lvl 6 and if he's missing. (If you're kotl, cling on to your carry like you're a 2 year old clinging to his mom). wut Nyx has some of the best abilities in the game. You don't need items to activate Spike Carapace. There's a reason he's first pick/ban whether playing support or carry. | ||
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yrt123
Singapore1246 Posts
On March 13 2013 21:38 Excludos wrote: But Nyx is so fun to play! I almost feel like he could get a small nerf so people wouldn't yell at me everytime I picked him.edit: Also, Nyx worst situation is a bad start. Yes, he can very easily make a comeback even with 0-6 in lane if you let him, but without items, all he has is his burst damage, and if that burst isn't enough to kill someone, he wont be of much use. Basically, what I'm saying is: Don't let him get a good start (if he's mid, gank him. If he's in sidelane, harass. Just don't let him get something like an early dagon), and have your supports never be alone after he hits lvl 6 and if he's missing. (If you're kotl, cling on to your carry like you're a 2 year old clinging to his mom). Knowing how to deal with him doesn't matter if you have weak links on your team. He can just feed off them if he's decent. All I'm saying is its too troublesome to deal with him in a pub hence the QQ. Whereas if its PL you can just pick Sven and be you farm I farm I win(not considering other factors) | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On March 13 2013 20:21 BurningSera wrote: Axe is very fun as in the sense of you go screw up people who are used to do what they usually do in early/early-mid game. Full time Jungle/farming axe is so wasted because battle hunger is so strong against supports with low hp pool during early/early-mid game. Axe should be played as an aggressive secondary game rhythm leading hero (primary if mid failed) and he is a 'snowballer' hero just like tuskar (.....lol). You go screw up oppo's farming, go cut the creeps if you knew their oppo couldnt stop you and dive the hell of out of oppo heroes and farm on their support. But yeah in 'higher level' games where people actually tp in to help their lane/counter-gank, heroes like axe would be less effective. one of my first games as a support had me playing a CM while the enemy Axe constantly battle hungered me it haunts me to this day | ||
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