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I need to buy a monkey and then train it to punch me in face everytime i even come close to a thought about picking a support for solo queqe.
Game vs brood and drow, we get demolised early, spectre gets late 25 mins radiance, Its all right, 10 mins later we are winning every team fight and all t3's are intact. I've got mek and 3/4 way to ags on disrputor, aa almost got his ags too. We literally need to win one team fight to secure the game. The thing is other team necro have ags. So i click on it, fancy blablal have Aghanim Scepter appears and then i fucking type just to make sure "Haunt the moment they go on you or we lose". All fancy, they are pushing, Spec decides it's good idea to move ahead and tank the creep wave. gets jumped on, i mek him and he is 50% hp. Then he decides that instead of backing it's good idea to... re engage without pressing R. He gets necro ulted and... its over. 36 fucking mins wasted couse my carry i quote "i forgot he have scepter". HOLY MOTHER OF GOD I NEED THAT MONKEY ASAP Other team had two fucking autistic players too but it dosn't matter when my carry is out for 90 seconds when they knock with drow and brood on our T3's.
TLDR: supporting is fun
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lvl 1 3v3 engagement - skywrath skills slow instead of nuke. the first thing he does is flame his teammates for skilling wrong 
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The MMR boost from playing as a stack is a joke. It's supposed to compensate for you being more organized because you queued together, which is absolutely not true with the fuckwits I get paired with.
3 games in a row last night it was me + 4 stack of idiots vs. 1 random + organized 4 stack. The good 4 stack is ALWAYS on the enemy team. I actually won all the games where I played carry and just ignored my teams moronic flailing and rice farmed until 40 minutes. I won a game where I was in a duo Terrorblade/Medusa lane, with a Techies offlane and a feeding Pudge. I beat a fed Riki/Spectre/PL team.
But then in the last game I got paired with a pinoy 4 stack that didn't speak a lick of English, except to tell me to support... So I decided why not? Yeah it wasn't happening. They just ran around not farming, not finding pickoffs, just letting the enemy kill them 1 by 1. TBH I was glad we lost, and I was oddly sad that I won all my other games... these people don't deserve to be carried.
From now on in unranked, if my teammates pick 4 core, then we are playing 5 core. But it's more likely that I'm going to play only solo ranked from now on - at least then everyone will be at their true MMR instead of having their MMR boosted to an unreasonable level from playing as a stack.
The worst part is that if the enemy stack actually translated their strong midgame lead into a push, they would easily crush us before I can come online, but they usually aren't organized enough to do that. So basically both stacks suck and I'm playing 1v9... and it works. People are so fucking bad at DotA
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On October 09 2014 03:52 Uranium wrote:
The MMR boost from playing as a stack is a joke. It's supposed to compensate for you being more organized because you queued together, which is absolutely not true with the fuckwits I get paired with.
3 games in a row last night it was me + 4 stack of idiots vs. 1 random + organized 4 stack. The good 4 stack is ALWAYS on the enemy team. I actually won all the games where I played carry and just ignored my teams moronic flailing and rice farmed until 40 minutes. I won a game where I was in a duo Terrorblade/Medusa lane, with a Techies offlane and a feeding Pudge. I beat a fed Riki/Spectre/PL team.
But then in the last game I got paired with a pinoy 4 stack that didn't speak a lick of English, except to tell me to support... So I decided why not? Yeah it wasn't happening. They just ran around not farming, not finding pickoffs, just letting the enemy kill them 1 by 1. TBH I was glad we lost, and I was oddly sad that I won all my other games... these people don't deserve to be carried.
From now on in unranked, if my teammates pick 4 core, then we are playing 5 core. But it's more likely that I'm going to play only solo ranked from now on - at least then everyone will be at their true MMR instead of having their MMR boosted to an unreasonable level from playing as a stack.
The worst part is that if the enemy stack actually translated their strong midgame lead into a push, they would easily crush us before I can come online, but they usually aren't organized enough to do that. So basically both stacks suck and I'm playing 1v9... and it works. People are so fucking bad at DotA
Well, seeing as you can't queue for ranked as a 4 stack, I would say you're probably either making things up or over-exaggerating. Unless you're talking about unranked, in which case well, there's your easy solution: play ranked instead.
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On October 09 2014 03:53 HollowLord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:52 Uranium wrote:
The MMR boost from playing as a stack is a joke. It's supposed to compensate for you being more organized because you queued together, which is absolutely not true with the fuckwits I get paired with.
3 games in a row last night it was me + 4 stack of idiots vs. 1 random + organized 4 stack. The good 4 stack is ALWAYS on the enemy team. I actually won all the games where I played carry and just ignored my teams moronic flailing and rice farmed until 40 minutes. I won a game where I was in a duo Terrorblade/Medusa lane, with a Techies offlane and a feeding Pudge. I beat a fed Riki/Spectre/PL team.
But then in the last game I got paired with a pinoy 4 stack that didn't speak a lick of English, except to tell me to support... So I decided why not? Yeah it wasn't happening. They just ran around not farming, not finding pickoffs, just letting the enemy kill them 1 by 1. TBH I was glad we lost, and I was oddly sad that I won all my other games... these people don't deserve to be carried.
From now on in unranked, if my teammates pick 4 core, then we are playing 5 core. But it's more likely that I'm going to play only solo ranked from now on - at least then everyone will be at their true MMR instead of having their MMR boosted to an unreasonable level from playing as a stack.
The worst part is that if the enemy stack actually translated their strong midgame lead into a push, they would easily crush us before I can come online, but they usually aren't organized enough to do that. So basically both stacks suck and I'm playing 1v9... and it works. People are so fucking bad at DotA Well, seeing as you can't queue for ranked as a 4 stack, I would say you're probably either making things up or over-exaggerating. Unless you're talking about unranked, in which case well, there's your easy solution: play ranked instead.
I was referring to unranked as I said. And yes I'm going to play solo ranked now, as I also said.
On October 08 2014 23:43 nojok wrote:
Solo offlane ogremagi, midas into yasha maxed feast 1st naix, penitence 1st into 1 2 1 chen who never ganked or push in the same game, it was so much bullshit in one game. They played decently but no chance to win with builds that dumb.
Solo offlane ogre is legit. So's max feast naix if you're gonna rice jungle only.
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On October 09 2014 03:56 Uranium wrote:
Solo offlane ogre is legit. So's max feast naix if you're gonna rice jungle only.
Ogre got wrecked and if it's meant to be an XP only lane, tons of heroes will do better with this XP while having a defensive ability, and for naix, no just no, no no, it scales so badly compared to rage and open wound. Jungler naix is below cliff prophet in terms of game impact.
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On October 09 2014 04:19 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:56 Uranium wrote:
Solo offlane ogre is legit. So's max feast naix if you're gonna rice jungle only. Ogre got wrecked and if it's meant to be an XP only lane, tons of heroes will do better with this XP while having a defensive ability, and for naix, no just no, no no, it scales so badly compared to rage and open wound. Jungler naix is below cliff prophet in terms of game impact.
Perhaps you should specify your MMR. So I can silently judge you. Or myself.
Because as we all know MMR is the only factor in deciding who is right about DotA.
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There should be a 500 game minimum before you can play ranked. This shit is just hopeless.
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typical 5k mmr game
our picks are storm,void,jakiro,lc (setup on the minimap had lc offlane and void+jak safelane). the last guy picks magnus and wants offlane. i hate jungling with lc but i did not feel like lc+mag can do anything against a possible trilane with a skywrath as support
obviously the magnus starts flaming me for not offlaning with him, gets killed and teleports to our safelane to ping me some more. so our void tps to the offlane and the game goes ok-ish. storm dies solo to ogre lvl 3 and did not skill vortex until lvl 12 (he finished 0-4-0). after a decent fight void decided to feed himself over and over while storm keeps flaming our team
i should have expected the losing streak but its so frustrating to play decently well and get some mmr just to get shot down 2 days later by people like that
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Ranked All-Pick. We have a Weaver (me), Silencer, and Pa. I say early on that I'll solo offlane. The last two players end up losing about 50 gold each before picking Abbadon and Ogre magi. Neither of them plays suport, instead both going carry builds. Abbadon comes to my lane and pushes the hell out of the lane with his aphotic shield (On creeps, WTF, and screw mist coil, let's not put a single point into it until level 11. Best support ever). He leeches a shit ton of Xp and gold off of me and rushes a skull basher. I end up dieing a few times because of this ( and the fact that he ignores me everytime I get dived), and the team is yelling at me for being shit. (Esp. the silencer who was rushing the hood of defiance, WTH). WTF. This was mostly Abbadons fault. WTH. I'm a bad player, but I feel like I could've done okay the lane played out somewhat normally.Worst part was he ended up 6-1 and me 0-7 before an enemy dcedm (I left because I was tired of this shit).
How the hell do I get out of the 2k MMR Trench? When I support my team's carries don;t even know what the hell a last hit is. And when I carry, I'm lucky to even get one support who knows what warding is, nonetheless letting me last hit. Do I just need to stop playing pubs? Do I need to adjust my play accordingly and ignore these idiots? IDK what to do, I feel so lost...
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Man I was playing zeus bloodcyka with a freind, but our team foutain dived before we could get a rampage while they sat in their fountain.
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Sf buys BKB as first item, game is vs rasta, aa, silencer. 30 mins later he used whole 2 charges and wonders why game is lost.
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I don't even know what the fuck that game was. My team went up like 30-5 early on in large part due ot me rotating and getting all 3 lanes won as venge. Then their void starting feeding intentionally because mad, and my team decided to just yolo at their rax solo for 40 minutes till we were suddenly behind. Everyone in that game shouldn't be allowed out of the house with out supervision , me possibly included. Void was actually more valuable to his team when he was feeding then when he decided that he would start trying, and still managed to give us another 10 kills.
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On October 09 2014 07:42 Tannex wrote:
How the hell do I get out of the 2k MMR Trench? When I support my team's carries don;t even know what the hell a last hit is. And when I carry, I'm lucky to even get one support who knows what warding is, nonetheless letting me last hit. Do I just need to stop playing pubs? Do I need to adjust my play accordingly and ignore these idiots? IDK what to do, I feel so lost...
No such thing as trench. I used to be 2.4k mmr but now well at 3.2k. I suggest playing only solo lanes as no one can bother you and you don't have to compete for farm/experience. In most of my games I'm playing mid because if I am better than the other player (which I wasn't at the time but have much improved) I can crush them and carry the team in a lot of situations. Also, don't rage at your teammates or respond to their insults as cooperation = success but arguing =/= cooperation which gets rid of success.
Also, most likely you're in that MMR because you deserve to be. When I was at 2.4k I always thought I should've been like 4k or something but I realized that I'm bad and I need to get better. Accept your faults, don't deny them. As soon as I started to accept that I was bad, I tried to better myself and finally got up.
TL;DR Don't go into a game depending on team. Try to cooperate and do not insult/create tension between each other. Accept that you are bad and just strive to improve.
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On October 09 2014 07:42 Tannex wrote:
Ranked All-Pick. We have a Weaver (me), Silencer, and Pa. I say early on that I'll solo offlane. The last two players end up losing about 50 gold each before picking Abbadon and Ogre magi. Neither of them plays suport, instead both going carry builds. Abbadon comes to my lane and pushes the hell out of the lane with his aphotic shield (On creeps, WTF, and screw mist coil, let's not put a single point into it until level 11. Best support ever). He leeches a shit ton of Xp and gold off of me and rushes a skull basher. I end up dieing a few times because of this ( and the fact that he ignores me everytime I get dived), and the team is yelling at me for being shit. (Esp. the silencer who was rushing the hood of defiance, WTH). WTF. This was mostly Abbadons fault. WTH. I'm a bad player, but I feel like I could've done okay the lane played out somewhat normally.Worst part was he ended up 6-1 and me 0-7 before an enemy dcedm (I left because I was tired of this shit).
How the hell do I get out of the 2k MMR Trench? When I support my team's carries don;t even know what the hell a last hit is. And when I carry, I'm lucky to even get one support who knows what warding is, nonetheless letting me last hit. Do I just need to stop playing pubs? Do I need to adjust my play accordingly and ignore these idiots? IDK what to do, I feel so lost...
want an easy way to get out of 2k? this probably won't make you a better player but it will get you out of 2k.
Pick lycan, go to safelane or mid if possible, if not jungle. Aim for a 7-8 minute vlads if your jungling, a 5-6 minute vlads if your middle a 6-7 minute vlads if you are in a duel safelane. Once you get vlads and 6, go kill someone, you are in 2k, someone will be out of posiition, just ulti out of sight and then kill them, after that you should be level 7-8, get medalion, go solo rosh with medallion, get brown boots after that, keep jungling, taking towers as possible(always have a tp) then go into necro, any time you see someone alone, you can probably kill them with ulti btw, most people are very disorganized in lower than 3k mmr. After necro, decide if you need a bkb, or armor. Winning with lycan should be really easy, you punish people out of position hard, towers die if you win a fight, you are hard to shut out of farm and you farm up really fast.
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http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/948503710
*sigh* Why do people think they can take it super late and base race vs terrorblade. (Also, whenever all your teammates are anonymous on Dotabuff it tends to be a bad thing).
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On October 09 2014 17:47 r_con wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 07:42 Tannex wrote:
Ranked All-Pick. We have a Weaver (me), Silencer, and Pa. I say early on that I'll solo offlane. The last two players end up losing about 50 gold each before picking Abbadon and Ogre magi. Neither of them plays suport, instead both going carry builds. Abbadon comes to my lane and pushes the hell out of the lane with his aphotic shield (On creeps, WTF, and screw mist coil, let's not put a single point into it until level 11. Best support ever). He leeches a shit ton of Xp and gold off of me and rushes a skull basher. I end up dieing a few times because of this ( and the fact that he ignores me everytime I get dived), and the team is yelling at me for being shit. (Esp. the silencer who was rushing the hood of defiance, WTH). WTF. This was mostly Abbadons fault. WTH. I'm a bad player, but I feel like I could've done okay the lane played out somewhat normally.Worst part was he ended up 6-1 and me 0-7 before an enemy dcedm (I left because I was tired of this shit).
How the hell do I get out of the 2k MMR Trench? When I support my team's carries don;t even know what the hell a last hit is. And when I carry, I'm lucky to even get one support who knows what warding is, nonetheless letting me last hit. Do I just need to stop playing pubs? Do I need to adjust my play accordingly and ignore these idiots? IDK what to do, I feel so lost... want an easy way to get out of 2k? this probably won't make you a better player but it will get you out of 2k. Pick lycan, go to safelane or mid if possible, if not jungle. Aim for a 7-8 minute vlads if your jungling, a 5-6 minute vlads if your middle a 6-7 minute vlads if you are in a duel safelane. Once you get vlads and 6, go kill someone, you are in 2k, someone will be out of posiition, just ulti out of sight and then kill them, after that you should be level 7-8, get medalion, go solo rosh with medallion, get brown boots after that, keep jungling, taking towers as possible(always have a tp) then go into necro, any time you see someone alone, you can probably kill them with ulti btw, most people are very disorganized in lower than 3k mmr. After necro, decide if you need a bkb, or armor. Winning with lycan should be really easy, you punish people out of position hard, towers die if you win a fight, you are hard to shut out of farm and you farm up really fast.
Alternatively take Viper and go mid. Win game.
Pretty sure at 2k nobody has a damn clue what to do about him. The only way I can think of losing is if both the outer lanes feed a carry in their lane.
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On October 09 2014 18:08 HopLight wrote:http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/948503710*sigh* Why do people think they can take it super late and base race vs terrorblade. (Also, whenever all your teammates are anonymous on Dotabuff it tends to be a bad thing).
I've noticed this also.
I've especially noticed it now that, after being on a streak where I won like 90% of games, some being more competitive than others, some being epic comebacks despite a couple of real issues early on, that I've now had six totally hopeless losses in a row.
And there's always some fucking smartass talking shit to me who is always grouped with the worst player and neither is ever on dotabuff.
By totally hopeless I mean, final enemy outer towers left in those losses: 5, 5, 2, 5, 2, and in those games with two outer towers the other team almost tripled our kill score.
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I died carelessly lategame 3 times in a row as the carry. Ffffffffff.
we probably wouldn't have won eitherway but fucking fuck, damn. I hate fucking up. One death was to a surprise Puck silence, another was because appearently bladefury doesn't negate Blademail and the third death was...uhh, hmm. I can't remember.
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i love losing streaks
my stats as support sk 14-4-10; i had to buy wards, chick upg and i still had a 9min blink
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