EPTDota 2 QQ thread - Page 1073
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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Frogstomp
United States125 Posts
10 minutes in our Spanish invoker mid is 0-4, at which point he abandons the lane and loses the tower. Never calls for help or says anything. Maybe 5 minutes later the opposing team groups up and pushes my safelane t1. No one comes to help and I lose the tower, but live. Spanish lycan starts flaming me. I say don't blame me, blame the 0-4 invoker. I'm 2-1 and haven't been getting great farm, but haven't been doing terrible either. To this the invoker responds, sorry - I've been microing nature's prophet. Can't play 2 heroes at once. Lol whut? It turns out the asshole 3rd spanish fuck in this 3 stack has been afk the whole game, and our MID INVOKER has been controlling him this whole time so he doesn't get an abandon - not only ensuring that we lose the game, but that it drags on forever and no one can exit early, despite one of our players effectively having abandoned. But yea, nature's prophet comes back just in time to flame me for not going hand of midas, and all three of them report me. The invoker is 0-11 at this point, but I'm the noob because he is all of 1 level higher than me. Sigh | ||
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sacrilegious
Canada863 Posts
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On June 05 2014 03:48 TRAP[yoo] wrote: its impossible to get up the mmr. the system is fucking aweful Just say the word and I'll increase your MMR. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
soloq?  | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
Sure. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
For free? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Then again smurfs are usually best for party play but oh well. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On June 05 2014 04:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean if you look at it from Alur's perspective it's free smurfs with calibrated MMRs aka won't be useless after 3 games. Then again smurfs are usually best for party play but oh well. IIRC, Alur's perspective involves earning money/rares, but he hasn't mentioned that yet this time, so who knows | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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DV G
Argentina2339 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + jk | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
sigh... | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On June 04 2014 10:17 TheSubtleArt wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2014 00:17 sCCrooked wrote: I constantly see people giving this incredibly fallacious philosophy towards improving oneself. I'm sorry but there are literally games where going 700GPM+700XPM is insufficient because your teammates are utterly retarded. I don't know if any of the other 5k+ rating people here actually try playing at the 3k to 4k level (I mean a large sample of games with a large number of high level players not all on a team together) but this idea simply does not work in actual practice. When you start improving and focusing entirely on your own situation what happens is inevitably as you nitpick your own play you will become even more aware of the horrible decisions your teammates make. 5 carry teams when 2 carries have been picked since 1:59 left on the counter, an ursa that goes tranquil boots AND power treads AND phase boots because he thinks they stack and obviously I'm the n00b for pointing out that might not be best and finally a sniper that insists that he can take on a Witch Doctor + Mirana dual lane solo and how dare I try to support (he called it leeching) are all very common scenarios at this sort of tier. Teams simply do not stick together. 90% of the time the guys off running around getting killed solo because they get mobbed over on the enemy side of the map while the rest of the team is jungling instead of pushing don't even speak english and make things 50x worse because the moron can't even communicate much less actually play the game. These are not scenarios even people at the top pro level could possibly overcome. If you watched pro streams, these sorts of players buy accounts and end up at the higher MMRs too (I know from personal experience). I'm not saying don't look at your own problem first, but acting like that somehow overcomes the vast problem of "team is retarded therefore I lose no matter if I'm doing well" is utterly retarded. Logic and reasoning are the only real tools of strategic trade. Hey man, sorry for the late reply. I agree with what you're saying, but it doesn't actually discredit my line of thinking. There will be games where your teammates are so terrible the game is beyond salvaging for anyone not named S4. I agree there, but that's not really the claim people are making when they complain about an MMR trench. What I find completely stupid is the notion that this type of scenario ("I'm good but matched with 4 retards") happens consistently enough that you can't climb to your appropriate MMR. You see the difference? It's incredibly improbable that matchmaking conspires against one person in particular, so that every game that person's matched with 4 terrible people while 5 opposing players are worse than that one person but way better than the other four. I've had games where I was beyond godlike but still lost because of clueless teammates. However I've also had games where feeders where on the other team, and games where I played horribly and got carried by teammates. You don't think it sounds incredibly deluded of me to think the first scenario is far more common than the rest?? It's just the nature of a 5v5 game that accurately calibrating individual MMRs takes a lot more games than it would for a 1v1 game like starcraft. There's far more variance to account for, but that's unavoidable. Think of tossing a rigged coin that's supposed to land on heads 60% of the time. The first 10 tosses, you're expected to get 6 heads. However getting 5, 4 or even 3 heads isn't THAT unlikely. However, if we tossed this coin 1000 times, getting 400 or 300 heads would make us start questioning the coin, no? If someone is truly better than the players he gets queued with, his team will have a higher probability of winning. Given that it's a 5v5 game, it's not too unlikely that this person ends up right where he started after 20 ranked games. Now, if they play 100-200 games and are STILL where they started, isn't the most logical conclusion that they're already playing vs people of equal skill? Agree with this. But what gets me is that the difference in skill at my rating is just insane(3.8k - 4k). Won a game 65 - 15 yesterday, no real rating difference, no stacks. I just lost a game since i TP:d home when uber creeps were throning us, and my team pushed 4vs2 to throne the enemy. The 2 enemies were AA and WR - my team with two cores and two supports got wiped by being utter complete idiots and we lost the game. Then i get flamed for TP:ing home an ensuring that we don't lose - what? If the MMR system is fair, how come some people at my rating literally look like they are sniffing glue while playing and some just play decent/well. I honestly don't get that. It's not "having a bad day bad" it's really glue sniffing bad. | ||
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TheRubicon
United States1342 Posts
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
And ofc Volvo servers are down again. I don't remember any other game has that many server issues. Constant player drop, constant server instability. I played LOL for a very short amount of time like 50+ games and don't even remember problems like these. | ||
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AbareKiller
456 Posts
Luckily though, we had that Storm AM stack against us next game. I crushed their ass as Invoker, and we won at 18 minutes. | ||
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