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Draft Guide
Underlord (Support) - Sub-Title: Support
Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)
Starting Items: Animal Courier, 2x Observer Ward, Stout Shield, 2x Iron Branch, Tangos, Clarity
Core Items: Arcane Boots, Magic Wand, Mekansm
Utility Items: Observer Ward, Sentry Ward, Dust of Appearance, Gem of True Sight, Smoke of Deceit
Situational Items: Vladmir's Offering, Blademail, Blink Dagger, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Pipe of Insight
Extension Items: Boots of Travel, Guardian Greaves, Octarine Core, Necromonicon, Assault Cuirass, Shiva's Guard
Draft Guide
Underlord (Offlane) - Sub-title: Offlane
Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)
Starting Items: Observer Ward, Stout Shield, Tangos, 2x Iron Branch, Ring of Protection
Core Items: Ring of Basilius, Arcane Boots, Vladmir's Offering
Situational Items: Blademail, Blink Dagger, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Pipe of Insight
Extension Items: Boots of Travel, Guardian Greaves, Octarine Core, Necromonicon, Assault Cuirass, Shiva's Guard
 Gyrocopter (Core - Safe Lane)
Gyrocopter (Core - Middle)
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Core Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items
Lycan (Jungle)
Removed Sobi Mask
 Medusa
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
 Juggernaut
Added Yasha to Core Items
Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items
Moved Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational Items
 Phantom Assassin
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Stifling Dagger 2. Phantom Strike 3. Blur)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Ring of Basilius to Core Items
Added Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items
Moved Manta Style to Situational Items
Moved Sange and Yasha to Extension Items
Removed Tango
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Ring of Aquila
Removed Vanguard
Removed Satanic
Faceless Void
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Poor Man's Shield
Removed Infused Raindrop
Removed Mjollnir
 Shadow Demon
New Skill Build: Q W E E E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Shadow Poison 2. Disruption 3. Soul Catcher)
Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Winter Wyvern
New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Splinter Blast 2. Cold Embrace 3. Arctic Burn)
Removed Wind Lace
Techies
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Tango
Removed Clarity x2
 Huskar
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
Moved Magic Wand to "Early Game"
Moved Armlet of Mordiggian to "Early Game"
Earth Spirit (Core)
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situationa ltems
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Guardian Greaves
Earth Spirit (Support)
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Removed Clarity x2
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Observer Ward
Removed Arcane Boots
Elder Titan (Offlane)
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Echo Stomp 2. Astral Spirit 3. Natural Order)
Removed Guardian Greaves
Removed Arcane Boots
 Puck
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core Items
Moved Veil of Discord to Extension Items
Removed Null Talisman
 Axe (Core)
Axe (Jungle)
Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Situational Items
Moved Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items
Removed Infused Raindrop
 Kunkka (Core)
New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W E E E E R Q Q R (1. Torrent 2. Tidebringer 3. X Marks the Spot)
Added Wind Lance to Starting Items
Added Branch x2 to Starting Items
Kunkka (Support)
New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E Q Q W R W W W R (1. Torrent 2. X Marks the Spot 3. Tidebringer)
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Removed Force Staff
Removed Bottle
Outworld Devourer
New Skill Build: W E E Q Q R E Q Q E R W W W R (1. Essence Aura 2. Arcane Orb 3. Astral Imprisonment)
Moved Hurricane Pike to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
 Luna
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Moved Helm of the Dominator to Early Game
Removed Monkey King Bar
 Razor
Added Ring of Aquila to Early Game
Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items
Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Infused Raindrop
Wraith King
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Radiance to Extension Items
Moved Echo Sabre to Core Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Skull Basher
 Meepo
New Skill Build: W Q R W W E W E E R E Q Q Q R (1. Poof 2. Geostrike 3. Earthbind)
Added Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Extension Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Moved Bottle to Situational Items
Removed Healing Salve
Keeper of the Light
New Skill Build: Q E W E E Q Q Q R W W W E R R (1. Chakra Magic 2. Illuminate 3. Mana Leak)
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Underlord has been updated.
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I don't like early Dragon Lance on Gyrocopter with rockets maxed first; he should be engaging inside of Rocket Barrage range, or he should be flacking off a secondary target. In neither case does the Lance particularly help.
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The stats are good regardless.
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It took only two weeks to get to 5K MMR in Europe - dealing with North American players is brutal. Just hit 4K, we'll see if I can go for 5K in time.
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Pushing a lot of updated changes before publishing stats.
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After ~15 days (July 25 to August 9), we have risen from 155,293,239 to 158,147,028 combined subscriptions
A difference of 2,852,779
Average Subscribers per Guide is 1,068,561.00
Growth Percentage is 1.84%
5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):- Naga Siren (Support) (284,443)
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 Brewmaster (Core) (277,118)
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 Warlock (Core) (159,931)
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 Shadow Shaman (Core) (122,475)
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 Invoker (Quas/Wex) (55,675)
5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):-
 Sven
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 Lifestealer (Jungle)
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 Phantom Lancer
- Juggernaut
- Bounty Hunter
Notable Growths in Subscriptions: - Sven (2,139,377 -> 2,185,685)
- Faceless Void (1,720,738 -> 1,762,451)
- Drow Ranger (1,415,521 -> 1,455,787)
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 Undying (999,389 -> 1,016,698)
- Death Prophet (988,736 -> 1,011,319)
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 Lina (Core) (983,569 -> 1,007,808)
- Ember Spirit (Core) (992,204 -> 1,003,345)
- Windranger (Core/Mid) (954,153 -> 990,781)
- Invoker (Quas/Wex) (12,707 -> 55,675)
Newly Released Guides:
Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of: Alfred Vogl, Pearson Mewbourne, Leonardo Lambertini, Scott MacDonald, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Mikey Kaminski, Dice, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Ryan Goss, Startracker, Freeze ray, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Benjamin Miller, Kistaro Windrider, Elliot Cuite, Patrick Colton, Daniel Thackray, Jose Cacho, Max Kemeny, Matthew Nami, tale, Joel Absolom, Aaron Bell, Jason Davis, Dan Shaw, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, JimmaDaRustla, Slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Ramona Brown, Duncan, Alishams Hassam, Leon Traill, Josh Laseter, Genc Musliu, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster, Alli GossPortions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.
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This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: Velzi, bdonballer, spacecreated, Belisarius, ahswtini, Buckyman,
- In our last checkpoint, I mis-reported a total that was actually lower than our actual total. This has been correct in our data sheet and via this topic thread. The source of this issue was a duplicate digit where of our two Tiny - Core guides where we reported the digit '901670' twice instead of the estimated ~1.46million. The correction essentially took the growth of last month's two data points (approx. ~10,000) and added it to the missing Tiny - Core (Safe) data point
- 17.08% of last month's unique players [12,794,412] are subscribed to the our highest subscribed guide: Sven Guide
- Undying (1,016,698)
- Death Prophet (1,011,319)
- Lina (Core) (1,007,808)
- Ember Spirit (Core) (1,003,345) recently hit the 1 million mark
- Eight guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: (994,557), (990,781), (981,086), (974,357),
 (967,591), (966,025),  (965,051), (960,646)
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Undying
New Skill Build: Q E W E E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Tombstone 2. Soul Rip 3. Soul Decay)
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Veil of Discord to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Moved Blade Mail to Situational Items
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Guardian Greaves
Templar Assassin
Added Wraith Band to Starting Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Faerie Fire
Renamed Offlane
Sand King
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Removed Tranquil Boots
Removed Soul Ring
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The new not-so-new Undying build is confusing to me.
Sand King going from Jungle to back to Offlane/Middle build is aggravating.
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SK is just two different builds varying in popularity. The "jungle" build is a support, and still works just fine. The offlane build is a core.
You seem to be switching between them based on whether support SK or core SK has been more popular recently. That doesn't really say anything about his viability in whichever role has been less popular. Both are fine in pubs and have been for a while.
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It was based on pub. experience too now.
I'll update Underlord draft now.
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Draft Guide
Underlord (Support) - Sub-Title: Support
Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)
Starting Items: Animal Courier, 2x Observer Ward, Stout Shield, 2x Iron Branch, Tangos, Clarity
Core Items: Arcane Boots, Magic Wand, Mekansm
Utility Items: Observer Ward, Sentry Ward, Dust of Appearance, Gem of True Sight, Smoke of Deceit
Situational Items: Vladmir's Offering, Blademail, Blink Dagger, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Pipe of Insight
Extension Items: Boots of Travel, Guardian Greaves, Octarine Core, Necromonicon, Assault Cuirass, Shiva's Guard
Draft Guide
Underlord (Offlane) - Sub-title: Offlane
Skill Build: E W Q Q Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)
Starting Items: Observer Ward, Stout Shield, Tangos, Iron Branch, Ring of Protection
Early Game: Boots of Speed, Ring of Basilius
Core Items: Power Treads, Vladmir's Offering, Blink Dagger
Situational Items: Armlet of Mordiggian, Blade Mail, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Pipe of Insight, Crimson Guard
Extension Items: Boots of Travel, Necromonicon - Level 3, Assault Cuirass, Shiva's Guard, Octarine Core
Undying
New Skill Build: Q E W E E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Tombstone 2. Soul Rip 3. Soul Decay)
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Veil of Discord to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Moved Blade Mail to Situational Items
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Guardian Greaves
Templar Assassin
Added Wraith Band to Starting Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Faerie Fire
Renamed Offlane
Sand King
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Removed Tranquil Boots
Removed Soul Ring
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One guide is support, the other is more core.
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Offlane version updated. Doing support now.
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I think he's more likely to be a mid than an offlane, personally.
Two builds for core and support would be my suggestion. Really nobody knows, but that covers the most bases and atrophy+Q seem made for mid.
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On August 12 2016 21:25 Belisarius wrote:
I think he's more likely to be a mid than an offlane, personally.
Two builds for core and support would be my suggestion. Really nobody knows, but that covers the most bases and atrophy+Q seem made for mid.
A bit of a rant, but when I first made the guides, I put him as "Middle" and you guys crucified me for it.
1. For needlessly creating two guides "and confusing players"
and 2. because he is not a middle hero and covering my bases is the reason I'm burnt out from creating guides.
Now you're suggesting two guides and one of them be mid?
A little unfuckingbelievable. I'm a bit salty because maybe it's 3AM, but it does anger me a bit because I said this a whole goddamn year ago.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
lol.
just keep the single support sand king guide.
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On August 12 2016 21:25 Belisarius wrote:
I think he's more likely to be a mid than an offlane, personally.
Two builds for core and support would be my suggestion. Really nobody knows, but that covers the most bases and atrophy+Q seem made for mid.
I think Offlane + Middle.
Very long ago, he was a support because all his abilities were magical/mana-intensive.
He's been re-geared to pretty much only lack armour/attack speed and making him a hard-hitter.
Only slight issue is that Middle and Offlane are built the exact same way. You can max Atrophy Aura for the debuff, but the value point itself is good enough and Pit of Malice levels still blow hard.
So it's max Firestorm.
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