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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
Intel i5-2500k 16 GB RAM 120 GB SSD (I use another SSD and a hard drive as well) GTX 550 ti (currently) Motherboard: Gigabyte P6-7A-B3-D3 Monitor Resolution: 1680*1050 I'm not looking for a super expensive gpu, just wanna play sc2 and dota 2 on high settings, maybe stream some. Would this GTX750 be a good upgrade? (~700 CLP = 1 dollar roughly) Thanks in advance for any responses! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Normally the sweet spot is a little higher but you don't really need better for those games, and GTX 750 supports GameStream if you want to use that. So I guess it's reasonable enough, despite my initial reservations before taking a closer look. | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
sc2 will probably already be CPU bound during large fights even on higher graphics | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
That improvement is in encoding speed (with certain settings), not in quality per bit improvements (i'd say that's better some, maybe only because you can use more intensive encoding settings at "normal" resolutions like 1080p60 which required Kepler NVENC to step back to keep up with encoding while Maxwell can do it fine). Game performance while recording i'm not sure either, it was already very good (best software solution available) and i didn't particularly test for it with GPU switch. Can test, though On that subject, 690 was not actually great for using NVENC. It's had problems with multi-gpu anything because of the way it works, in practice 690 probably couldn't do anything better than a 680/770 when it came to recording gameplay with NVENC (encoding rate, performance hit etc) ---------- A decent ddr3 vs ddr4 comparison~ http://www.techspot.com/news/62129-ddr3-vs-ddr4-raw-bandwidth-numbers.html it uses actual benchmarked numbers from four different memory controllers (so not just theoretical speeds of both which are not nearly as useful) Haswell shouldn't drop off that fast at 2666-2800 though, performance gains kinda grind to a halt but those frequencies but those drops are weird | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 14 2015 02:19 Incognoto wrote: I had been using LLC set to high (it's "auto", "normal", "high"), using a GA Z170M-D3H. I've flashed my BIOS to the latest version. I'll try to do what you're describing but I guess, after resetting to optimal defaults. Btw, tried upping Uncore clock and that made it impossible for me to boot to BIOS. Oops! Had to reset cmos by taking out the battery in the motherboard. >_< Well after resetting the BIOS to "intial" settings and messing around from afresh, I have a stable 4.6 GHz overclock, with 1.318 V Vcore. I could do more with this chip I feel, but I'm limited with my current CPU cooler (which is a carry over from my previous rig), which was hitting 79°C during my stress tests (using prime, yes). It's a Scythe Katana 4. Might look into treating myself to a high-end cooler instead of one I currently have (it's really quiet at low loads which is why I got it). So far, so good. Might start tinkering with BLCK and other goodies. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
lots of people using 1.4 - 1.45v though i'm not sure how wise it is yet  Stock voltage on some chips is 1.4 at turbo though. The stock voltages are really messed up, drawing as much as 1.4 - 2x more power than neccesary. It's like they didn't have time to optimize the VID tables when you can undervolt from 1.35v to 1.15v and be stable.I bought a 6700k and maximus VIII hero (couldn't justify losing hyperthreading ability). Not cost effective at all but a £200 loss after over 2 years isn't that bad. Lots of entertainment from tweaking and benching anyway, lots of people have more expensive hobbies~ will relax and probably get it up on friday | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
He requires: Mobo, CPU, GPU, and PSU. He is re-using older 8GB DDR3 RAM and a Case. Suggestions for RAM would be appreciated as well. The case fits ATX mobos. Budget: ~$1000. I got advice from you guys for another friend's computer about a year ago. These are his parts: Mobo: MSI H81M-P33 - NCIX $68 CPU: i5-4690 - NCIX $250 GPU: Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 1329MHZ 4GB - NCIX $410 PSU: Corsair CX Series CX430M 430W ATX - NCIX $30 RAM: RipjawsX Series 8GB PC3-12800 - MemoryExpress $87 Essentially I would like suggestions for parts that are comparable to those. (Except an ATX Mobo instead) I assume things have changed a bit in the past year so there may be better options in regards to price-for-performance. Thank you! Edit: Also, he doesn't know much about computers, so these are the parts he was looking at before he asked me: + Show Spoiler + MotherBoard: 970 Gaming w/ Dual DDR3 1866, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit LAN, CrossFireX / SLI (http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX53810) $134.99 CPU: AMD FX-8320 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 16MB Cache (http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX42095) $189.99 Graphics Card:MSI GTX 970 GAMING GeForce GTX 970 4GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort (http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX53902) $479.99 Power: Corsair RM Series RM850 Modular Power Supply (http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX48188) $169.99 Ram: Salvaged DDR3 8GB Sticks | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Essentially I would like suggestions for parts that are comparable to those. (Except an ATX Mobo instead) I assume things have changed a bit in the past year so there may be better options in regards to price-for-performance. If you're re-using ddr3 stuff hasn't really changed at all. Skylake uses ddr4 but isn't much faster (about 10% without OCing) and is more expensive at the moment as only OCing chipset motherboards and CPU's are available. There are no new GPU's aside from highest end AMD (fury, fury X), only slightly changed prices and refreshes Edit: Also, he doesn't know much about computers, so these are the parts he was looking at before he asked me: With that kind of budget you shouldn't use an FX processor and the 850w PSU is way overkill. An i5 + 970 system at stock will use about 270w from the PSU under full load | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
Edit: Because he has $1000 to spend and he doesn't need to buy harddrives, etc. | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
Edit: Got confused by the double post set of parts.. So might have misinterpreted.. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On September 20 2015 06:14 Durak wrote: Okay! That's what I figured. In conclusion, you're saying that the suggested build from about a year ago is still good today? Is there a slightly better performance version? As in, a CPU+GPU combination that is better in performance than those which are still at a good price-for-performance point? Edit: Because he has $1000 to spend and he doesn't need to buy harddrives, etc. There's not really a better CPU that uses ddr3 or is easily available (without buying overclocking stuff) but you could get a high end GPU (Fury or 980ti) | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
His case fits ATX and micro-ATX. I was looking at two options: 1. H97-PLUS ($130) - http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX52030 2. H81M-A ($80) - http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47972 As the micro-ATX board is over $50 cheaper (taxes etc.), doesn't it make sense to get that one? First, he's going to use 2x8GB DDR3. He's not going to need 4 RAM slots: if he replaces the RAM, he'll buy two new sticks at that point anyway. Second, he's not going to need a second GPU. Third, USB ports don't matter much. Fourth, he's not overclocking (not that the H97 would be for that anyway but for comparison with other ATX mobos) Is there any reason not to go with the micro-ATX board? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
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Ronski
Finland266 Posts
What is your budget? Around 500€ +-200€ depending if the value for price can be justified. What is your monitor's native resolution? 2x 1920/1080 , Only game on one monitor however. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? SC2 (Low settings), new fallout 4, mostly single player RPGs besides those, not a huge care about running stuff on Ultra settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Browsing internet mostly, writing school documents, minimum streaming of SC2 but dont take that into much consideration since I can do without as well. Do you intend to overclock? Not really unless I get someone else to do it for me, completely unnecessary. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? SSD, I have Nvidia 660 Graphics card from my old PC which most likely can be salvaged and I already counted that into the budget. Also will check if I can restore the Power supply and DVD Drive. Old case is also still usable and is quite large so standard motherboards should fit no problem. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No preferences. What country will you be buying your parts in? Finland. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. | ||
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ExChill
Germany179 Posts
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xdthreat
United States95 Posts
For blizzard games and League it seems now is a poor time to uprgade or replace this system? Not looking to drop more than $900, nor more than 300$ for just a GPU upgrade. Any thoughts? Thanks. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On September 21 2015 10:37 xdthreat wrote: About 4 years ago I lurked this thread and built a 2500k system with a HD 6950. Still runs all my games great, with the exception of WoW on 1440 (I love my no name brand korean IPS 27 1440 recommended in another thread here.) For blizzard games and League it seems now is a poor time to uprgade or replace this system? Not looking to drop more than $900, nor more than 300$ for just a GPU upgrade. Any thoughts? Thanks. CPU's are about ~1.25-1.30x faster than a 2500k (at the same clock speed) at the moment for singlethreaded performance, so not that much better a few things: 1; 6950 is not a super strong GPU by todays standards, you could easily just be at 100% load trying to run @1440p. Especially with a few settings like shadows. You can easily see if it's GPU bound if you set the render scale in advanced options to 50% and your FPS goes way up (it could roughly double if heavily GPU limited). CPU vs GPU limits will depend on the scene, some areas without a lot of players around and with water can be heavy on the graphics card while others will be very heavy on CPU with minimal graphics load. I play at a higher res than 1440p with 2x MSAA and all max aside from shadows and i'm using highly CPU limited (especially in raids, GPU load drops very low) with a gtx980 but that's a much faster GPU. Apparantly ~3x faster so you could plausibly be quite GPU limited (min FPS in raids could still be held back by CPU) 2; AMD graphics card dx11 driver doesn't make very efficient use of CPU resources. One of the games where that's shown the worst is in WoW as the nvidia driver now gets 1.5x more FPS with the same performance CPU when you're limited by the CPU (so especially during periods of low FPS in cities, raids, large scale pvp etc). That was a factor for a few years back but has been a big thing since april of last year with no comment/response from AMD so if you were buying a new GPU and cared about WoW performance, it should be Nvidia. ----- On September 20 2015 18:01 ExChill wrote: Finally got my 6700k 2 days ago and build everything together. Everything is working fine, just wanted to thank everyone who helped me choose the right parts, especially Cyro :D :D are you OCing yet? | ||
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decafchicken
United States20168 Posts
On September 12 2015 01:03 Myrmidon wrote: Anything from a big e-tailer or the manufacturer website. Note that laptops of the specs listed mostly don't exist because the laptop market is retarded and apparently there aren't enough buyers for sub-$600 or so laptops with anything better than 1366x768, and 15.6" is the size of choice for that price point. The Asus Transformer Book Chi T300 has a 12.5" 1920x1080 screen with a Core M (Broadwell gen, so liken it to an ultra-low-power mobile Core i5 on a very strict power/thermals budget; on the plus side, this means the device is fanless here) for under $500. http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Transformer-Book-T300-Signature/dp/B00UPKMXIC/ Ended up going with this, thanks for the recommendation! Seems to have pretty good reviews and is like the only laptop I've seen that is under 15 inch and under $500 but still with good resolution and decent performance. | ||
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