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Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
December 11 2012 00:34 GMT
#41
Grigorin's link translated:
http://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http://derstandard.at/1353207998252/6194-MHz-Der-schnellste-PC-der-Welt-steht-in-Oesterreich
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
December 11 2012 03:01 GMT
#42
Thanks for all the replies, I think I'm going with the i7-3770K which is ~2000 yen.

I got a pretty good Corsair PSU so I'll be overclocking quite a bit, anyone know what clock speeds I could expect with air cooling for the 3770K? Getting a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus for ~200 yen, any other CPU cooler recommendations in the same price range would be appreciate as well.
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
December 11 2012 03:09 GMT
#43
On December 11 2012 12:01 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Thanks for all the replies, I think I'm going with the i7-3770K which is ~2000 yen.

I got a pretty good Corsair PSU so I'll be overclocking quite a bit, anyone know what clock speeds I could expect with air cooling for the 3770K? Getting a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus for ~200 yen, any other CPU cooler recommendations in the same price range would be appreciate as well.

4.2 GHz is what you should shoot for, but get whatever you can.
ok
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
December 11 2012 03:13 GMT
#44
Can probably get 4.4
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 05:15:54
December 11 2012 05:11 GMT
#45
On December 11 2012 12:01 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Thanks for all the replies, I think I'm going with the i7-3770K which is ~2000 yen.

I got a pretty good Corsair PSU so I'll be overclocking quite a bit, anyone know what clock speeds I could expect with air cooling for the 3770K? Getting a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus for ~200 yen, any other CPU cooler recommendations in the same price range would be appreciate as well.

I am assuming you mean rmb not yen, because there's no way in hell you can get a hyper 212 for 200 yen:

Hyper 212 is probably the go-to one for that price range. You should be able to get it for ~180 on tb (212+ not 212evo).
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
December 11 2012 05:25 GMT
#46
You could try this one, for ~175. Not a high volume seller, but very highly rated. Proceed at your own risk, as always

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15363643654&ali_trackid=2:mm_14507416_2297358_8935934:1355203278_410_694501788
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 19:43:45
December 11 2012 06:04 GMT
#47
On December 11 2012 01:11 Rachnar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 00:49 cari-kira wrote:
On December 11 2012 00:42 Alryk wrote:
On December 10 2012 23:45 cari-kira wrote:
how is that bullshit if its true?

btw:
Rachnar, are you somehow astroturfing this forum with Eisregen?


How does 8.6ghz on liquid helium single core have ANY relevance to mainstream computer applications? What they're saying is that with a mainstream air CPU cooler, you'll have better performance gains with Ivy Bridge (or Sandy Bridge). It just runs cooler. And consumes like.. literally half as much power.

Power consumption 195 watts for FX-8350 vs 101 watts for i5-3570K. Ivy bridge uses literally 52% as much power as the FX-8350 system (this being with a lot of shared components as well, meaning the gap between processors is possibly more significant.

The other problem is that the FX-8350 barely beats the 3570K in multithreaded stuff. Usually 10-15% at most I believe, and sometimes a range of -5 to 15% (It does have one ~35% win). Whereas for single threaded performance, Intel's advantage is anywhere from 0% to 50% (Cinebench, gaming, whatever you want to pick). Gaming here, and you can go back a page for photoshop and other things.

Again, all while consuming like twice as much power as the i5 >.>

So: How does 8.6ghz liquid helium cooled have any relevance to mainstream computing applications, and how do you justify a 15% at most (normally) gain in multithreaded applications, while taking a 50% hit in single-threaded stuff AND consuming twice as much power? Sure, the OP is multi-threaded, but not everything he does will be multi-threaded as efficiently as all benchmarks, and not everything he does would be multithreaded, period. I mean yes, it's better for multithreaded, but not really by much, and if even half of what OP does is single threaded or not efficiently multithreaded, wouldn't Intel be better? (Granted, if the OP is really almost all really multithreaded, 8350 is gonna be better, but there's still power to consider).


please read the whole thread and dont reply to a single post.
- i was replying to a statement saying "the i-3570k is better overclockable than the fx-8350"
- nobody talked about power consumption before.
and while im green, i dont know if its a financial problem for the OP, because he is in china.

and i justify it with fighting a monopole.
you know what a monopole is?
and why its bad?
so how do YOU justify buying intel?


The i5-3570k is easier and overclocks better then the FX-8350 to the public
you really think i was talking about liquid helium? how about trying to OC in absolute zero conditions?

and yeah i was talking about power consumptions, but nvm, you don't know how to read apparently, which would explain a lot of things


All chips overclock pretty easily. It's not hard to overclock any chip, intel or amd, and any overclock can be difficult by some random, totally irrelevant setting preventing stability.

I don't think most people care about power consumption on a CPU for a desktop. Your talking about less than an extra lightbulb on between a power efficient and extremely inefficient CPU. Especially if your overclocking (granted, higher power cpus clock less than comparable architecture on lower power, but we're comparing fx to intel here).

the FX woudl really only be considerable if you were doing specialized, professional work of some kind.
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HearthCraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States117 Posts
December 11 2012 06:27 GMT
#48
get the i7 3770k its 210 dollars at microcenter.
"It is the mark of an educated man to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
December 11 2012 06:56 GMT
#49
FX is only ever worthwhile if you're going anything that will saturate all cores consistently, which is close to absolutely nothing. The fallacy of benchmarks like photoshop is that real world workloads are basically always mixed, despite benchmarks showing otherwise. Even shit like AutoCAD will probably still try to do many things with a single core (AutoCAD Inventor 2009 will ray trace with a single core for instance).

It depends on the exact software the OP is going to use. Professional, something I've generalised in the past, doesn't mean that much.

I've already explained what the OP should get in a post a while ago. People seem to forget about Quicksync but it exists and if his software can use it, it will demolish any AMD system without too much effort. Unlike AMD processors, Intel processors have a huge iGPU chunk that is extremely powerful if it can be harnessed.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 07:15:30
December 11 2012 07:14 GMT
#50
Your talking about less than an extra lightbulb on between a power efficient and extremely inefficient CPU. Especially if your overclocking (granted, higher power cpus clock less than comparable architecture on lower power, but we're comparing fx to intel here).


First result on google

[image loading]

Its a factor.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
December 11 2012 08:41 GMT
#51
On December 11 2012 15:27 rQvicious wrote:
get the i7 3770k its 210 dollars at microcenter.


I hate the US
HanSomPa
Profile Joined December 2012
United States87 Posts
December 11 2012 09:56 GMT
#52
FX8350 is a great chip. It's "Good Enough" for any task you care to do. Some people need to get their head out of their ass. i5-3570k is a better chip in general. There's no other way of putting it. Get the i5. You will have a better time playing games and with most workloads. The only way I can recommend the FX 8350 to anyone, is if they already have an AM3+ compatible motherboard or they're doing extremely niche multi-threaded workloads. The i5 is simply a much better value for the money otherwise.
He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 11 2012 13:14 GMT
#53
No such thing as "good enough" in computer industry.

We have real numbers for things.

Also overclockability is a valid argument for CPU purchases. However, the topic is extremely advanced as their is a random element called the chip lottery involved.
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 14:26:44
December 11 2012 14:24 GMT
#54
On December 11 2012 16:14 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Your talking about less than an extra lightbulb on between a power efficient and extremely inefficient CPU. Especially if your overclocking (granted, higher power cpus clock less than comparable architecture on lower power, but we're comparing fx to intel here).


First result on google

[image loading]

Its a factor.


Hey man, I keep 280 watt incandescent bulbs in my bedroom, don't you? (Not to mention the fact that you're probably getting an inane amount of extra performance out of a 5Ghz 3570K versus a 4.8Ghz FX)

Also: this thread has been answered already, hasn't it?

On December 11 2012 17:41 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 15:27 rQvicious wrote:
get the i7 3770k its 210 dollars at microcenter.


I hate the US


Well to be fair Microcenter CPUs cost like 2/3 of what they normally cost because you pick them up in store
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
December 11 2012 14:39 GMT
#55
Hey man, I keep 280 watt incandescent bulbs in my bedroom, don't you? (Not to mention the fact that you're probably getting an inane amount of extra performance out of a 5Ghz 3570K versus a 4.8Ghz FX)


No i dont, and running a 280 watt lightbulb from a mains circuit is very different circumstances from running another 280 watts through a CPU.

The 5ghz 3570k would probably win in pretty much every benchmark. It's 3.4ghz at stock, the 8350 is 4ghz at stock, so you have a 47% frequency increase on the ivy CPU and 20% on FX. Its enough to completely take over in multithreaded performance while sustaining insane lead in single threaded

Well to be fair Microcenter CPUs cost like 2/3 of what they normally cost because you pick them up in store


He quoted 3770k @ $210, it costs literally double that, almost exactly, in the UK and i believe there are worse prices in other places.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 14:56:08
December 11 2012 14:54 GMT
#56
On December 11 2012 23:39 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Hey man, I keep 280 watt incandescent bulbs in my bedroom, don't you? (Not to mention the fact that you're probably getting an inane amount of extra performance out of a 5Ghz 3570K versus a 4.8Ghz FX)


No i dont, and running a 280 watt lightbulb from a mains circuit is very different circumstances from running another 280 watts through a CPU.

The 5ghz 3570k would probably win in pretty much every benchmark. It's 3.4ghz at stock, the 8350 is 4ghz at stock, so you have a 47% frequency increase on the ivy CPU and 20% on FX. Its enough to completely take over in multithreaded performance while sustaining insane lead in single threaded

Show nested quote +
Well to be fair Microcenter CPUs cost like 2/3 of what they normally cost because you pick them up in store


He quoted 3770k @ $210, it costs literally double that, almost exactly, in the UK and i believe there are worse prices in other places.


Well, yeah, you know I agree with that, right? Hard to read into internetz tone. And also /sarcasm on the lightbulb bit, >:O

Well, it IS an FX-8150 not 8350, but that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that FX will really fair any better. I don't remember if Piledriver brought any power saving to the desktop.

Yeah, I know electronics are more expensive in the UK/Europe, I definitely won't argue that. Microcenter just is unrepresentative (to a small degree) of prices in the US for CPUs though, a better comparison would be the Newegg 3770K to CPUs in Europe (Newegg being still cheaper). Not saying we aren't lucky, just that Newegg is a better comparison than Microcenter since everybody can shop from Newegg, but not everyone has a Microcenter.
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HanSomPa
Profile Joined December 2012
United States87 Posts
December 12 2012 17:54 GMT
#57
On December 11 2012 22:14 Medrea wrote:
No such thing as "good enough" in computer industry.


Keep telling yourself that. We use low powered CPUs to run micro-servers, Microsoft standardized their hardware for their cellphones. Intel and AMD have a mid-range line. If it was all about pursuit of performance, these things wouldn't happen. So yeah, there is a "good enough" standard in the PC industry.


We have real numbers for things.


Would you also like to tell me that we have benchmarking tools?


Also overclockability is a valid argument for CPU purchases.


In most cases it is, In this this argument though it isn't. We haven't even established what the average overclock is on the new piledriver chips.


However, the topic is extremely advanced

Advanced? Is that a joke? Anyone can read a few pages from a guide.


as their is a random element called the chip lottery involved.


Agreed. You can get an awful chip, or a golden chip. Never know.
He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 18:10:08
December 12 2012 18:08 GMT
#58
You took my last statement and chopped it up into two and three pieces which changed the meaning of the entire statement. The meaning of the statement was that determining how overclockable a chip is involves averaging the entire production line which is something only the manufacturers can do.

Your first statement is the same as mine as minimizing power consumption is also performance, it is performance per watt.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
December 12 2012 18:09 GMT
#59
Ivy bridge overclocks better than Piledriver, and its not known for its overclockability.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 12 2012 18:49 GMT
#60
Yes that is another thing.

Generally we look at power scaling with clock speeds to look at its overclockability.
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