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iAmSoSly
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands13 Posts
August 14 2012 12:08 GMT
#24041
On August 14 2012 20:45 t0ssboy wrote:
all of them are good,but for gaming i would recommend the xmg because of the ivy bridge i7's


what a coincidence that first to reply is also Bulgarian. Thanks for the advice I am also leaning toward the XMG, but didn't know if they are reliable manufacturer. I thought that all QM 3rd gen Intel have Ivy Bridge. At least that what I saw here: + Show Spoiler +
http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/29902/Ivy-Bridge
It's cool to be perverted outer space human.
t0ssboy
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria681 Posts
August 14 2012 13:15 GMT
#24042
well all Homestory cups have been played on xmg notebooks so i guess they are reliable.
Courage is doing what you are afraid to do.There can be no courage if there is no fear.
Rkuro
Profile Joined June 2011
United States43 Posts
August 14 2012 15:39 GMT
#24043
Quick question TL: Can anyone suggest a ~500W modular PSU which is under $100?

Thanks
There is but one, and I am he
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 14 2012 16:24 GMT
#24044
There's a lot... Seasonic M12II, Rosewill Capstone-M, Antec HCG-M, Corsair TXM, PCP&C Silencer MK III, OCZ ZT, and so on..
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
August 14 2012 16:33 GMT
#24045
On August 14 2012 22:15 t0ssboy wrote:
well all Homestory cups have been played on xmg notebooks so i guess they are reliable.


they play on them because it is their main sponsor
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
eskashaborn
Profile Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
August 14 2012 17:57 GMT
#24046
Hello once again, I posted a bit earlier saying I needed a build and I've come up with something. I decided that I still want to try overclocking even though it's my first build. I'm pretty sure that I've put too much money into some items I could get away with saving more on. Currently the price is around 1050$. Is the power supply even good enough? The case seems a little weird too. Perhaps the video card is a bit unnecessary.

As you can see I am quite clueless. If you could please review this build and see if it would even work that would be great!
Thanks!

Build
+ Show Spoiler +
Processor
Intel Core i5-3450 Quad Core Processor

Motherboard
BIOSTAR TZ77B LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

RAM
Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model BLT2KIT4G3D1337DT1TX0

Fans and Heatsinks
Coolermaster TPC-812

Video Card
MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147164
SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC256B/WW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

HDD
Western Digital RE4 WD5003ABYX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

DVD/CD Burner/Drive
SONY Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B - OEM

Case
SPARKLE SPI460PFB2-MC2 460W ATX12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Power Supply
SPARKLE SPI460PFB2-MC2 460W ATX12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
zzzz
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 14 2012 18:14 GMT
#24047
A core i5 3570k is required for overclocking.

Heatsink is overkill for a novice... just get the $20 / $30 Coolermaster Hyper 212+ / EVO

A 7850 is all around better than a GTX 560 Ti.

Get a Caviar Blue or Green instead of Black since you're getting such a large sized SSD...

Get a Rosewill Capstone 450 instead of the Sparkle unit.
eskashaborn
Profile Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 18:52:00
August 14 2012 18:44 GMT
#24048
Thanks very much! Do you think an SSD of this size is even worthwhile? In your opinion is it even worth investing in one (I could save a lot of money by just dropping it)?

How well do you think this build could run SC II?
Edit: Given your suggested changes of course.
zzzz
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 14 2012 18:52 GMT
#24049
Depends on what kind of programs you run, what kind of data needs to go on the SSD. For many people, it's probably better to save and get a 120-128GB drive unless you know you'll want more.

The build would do great with SC2; you only need to spend $140-150 on a graphics card for SC2, and there's not too much better for running games than an overclocked i5.
eskashaborn
Profile Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
August 14 2012 20:42 GMT
#24050
This is my new build:

What do your think?
+ Show Spoiler +
Processor
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K

Motherboard
BIOSTAR TZ77B LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

RAM
Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model BLT2KIT4G3D1337DT1TX0

Fans and Heatsinks
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7

Video Card
XFX Double D FX-785A-CDFC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

SSD
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

HDD
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKX 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

DVD/CD Burner/Drive
SONY Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B - OEM

Case
Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, come with Five Fans, window side panel, top HDD dock

Power Supply
Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-450 450W Continuous @ 50°C, 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92, SLI Ready, CrossFire Ready, Active - PFC Power Supply


This is now $1008!
zzzz
SoulWager
Profile Joined August 2010
United States464 Posts
August 14 2012 23:27 GMT
#24051
On August 15 2012 05:42 eskashaborn wrote:
This is my new build:

What do your think?
+ Show Spoiler +
Processor
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K

Motherboard
BIOSTAR TZ77B LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

RAM
Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model BLT2KIT4G3D1337DT1TX0

Fans and Heatsinks
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7

Video Card
XFX Double D FX-785A-CDFC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

SSD
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

HDD
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKX 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

DVD/CD Burner/Drive
SONY Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B - OEM

Case
Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, come with Five Fans, window side panel, top HDD dock

Power Supply
Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-450 450W Continuous @ 50°C, 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92, SLI Ready, CrossFire Ready, Active - PFC Power Supply


This is now $1008!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($77.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($217.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $908.46
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-14 19:26 EDT-0400)
CouchWarrior
Profile Joined August 2012
15 Posts
August 15 2012 03:32 GMT
#24052
Would it be worth upgrading this system? Would I see an increase in performance?

i7 920
Nvidia gtx 275
12gb ram
5400 rpm 500gb hdd
Haf 932
Evga x58m sli
(and im not sure what psu)

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
August 15 2012 03:34 GMT
#24053
I just built a computer, but there's a problem when I try to install windows. There is no available hard drive to install it on. However, the hard drive is recognized by the bios. It's a 6 gb/s hard drive, and I tried a different cable on both sata2 and sata3 ports on the motherboard. I have the PSU cable plugged to the hard drive also. What is wrong?? I even changed the sata mode selection from IDE (default) to AHCI. Still no recognized hard drive to install windows 7 on.
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 15 2012 03:43 GMT
#24054
On August 15 2012 12:32 CouchWarrior wrote:
Would it be worth upgrading this system? Would I see an increase in performance?

i7 920
Nvidia gtx 275
12gb ram
5400 rpm 500gb hdd
Haf 932
Evga x58m sli
(and im not sure what psu)

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's a really vague question. What are you doing with it, what do you plan to do with it?

First thing I'd upgrade personally would be the HDD, then the GPU. The CPU isn't worth it compared to those.
CouchWarrior
Profile Joined August 2012
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 03:59:17
August 15 2012 03:55 GMT
#24055
On August 15 2012 12:43 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 12:32 CouchWarrior wrote:
Would it be worth upgrading this system? Would I see an increase in performance?

i7 920
Nvidia gtx 275
12gb ram
5400 rpm 500gb hdd
Haf 932
Evga x58m sli
(and im not sure what psu)

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's a really vague question. What are you doing with it, what do you plan to do with it?

First thing I'd upgrade personally would be the HDD, then the GPU. The CPU isn't worth it compared to those.

Trying to start a nightly sc2 stream. Maybe 1080p If I were to get partnered. And just light gaming all around.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 15 2012 03:59 GMT
#24056
On August 15 2012 12:55 CouchWarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 12:43 JingleHell wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:32 CouchWarrior wrote:
Would it be worth upgrading this system? Would I see an increase in performance?

i7 920
Nvidia gtx 275
12gb ram
5400 rpm 500gb hdd
Haf 932
Evga x58m sli
(and im not sure what psu)

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's a really vague question. What are you doing with it, what do you plan to do with it?

First thing I'd upgrade personally would be the HDD, then the GPU. The CPU isn't worth it compared to those.

Trying to start a nightly sc2 stream. Maybe 1080p If I were to get featured. And just light gaming all around.


For 1080p on that CPU, you need a heavy OC, like 4Ghz to look good while playing SC2.

A 7200RPM 32MB cache HDD would make everything load faster, which is good, and a better GPU lets you put prettier stuff on screen to let you stream better looking stuff.

For 720p or lower, you might need a mild OC, but nothing particularly terrifying, and it kind of depends on your quality requirements.
SoulWager
Profile Joined August 2010
United States464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 04:02:20
August 15 2012 04:00 GMT
#24057
On August 15 2012 12:55 CouchWarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 12:43 JingleHell wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:32 CouchWarrior wrote:
Would it be worth upgrading this system? Would I see an increase in performance?

i7 920
Nvidia gtx 275
12gb ram
5400 rpm 500gb hdd
Haf 932
Evga x58m sli
(and im not sure what psu)

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's a really vague question. What are you doing with it, what do you plan to do with it?

First thing I'd upgrade personally would be the HDD, then the GPU. The CPU isn't worth it compared to those.

Trying to start a nightly sc2 stream. Maybe 1080p If I were to get featured. And just light gaming all around.

You can stream good 720p with that rig, you may need to OC. You aren't going to stream 1080p with that though, not unless you run the game on a different machine and use a capture card. I have an i7 930 at 3.6 Ghz(HT on) and it's pretty much maxed out streaming 30fps 720p with 2 cores dedicated to sc2.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 15 2012 04:04 GMT
#24058
On August 15 2012 13:00 SoulWager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 12:55 CouchWarrior wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:43 JingleHell wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:32 CouchWarrior wrote:
Would it be worth upgrading this system? Would I see an increase in performance?

i7 920
Nvidia gtx 275
12gb ram
5400 rpm 500gb hdd
Haf 932
Evga x58m sli
(and im not sure what psu)

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's a really vague question. What are you doing with it, what do you plan to do with it?

First thing I'd upgrade personally would be the HDD, then the GPU. The CPU isn't worth it compared to those.

Trying to start a nightly sc2 stream. Maybe 1080p If I were to get featured. And just light gaming all around.

You can stream good 720p with that rig, you may need to OC. You aren't going to stream 1080p with that though, not unless you run the game on a different machine and use a capture card. I have an i7 930 at 3.6 Ghz(HT on) and it's pretty much maxed out streaming 30fps 720p with 2 cores dedicated to sc2.


You can push 1080p if you hit 4.0 with HT enabled, I believe. But that's not a guaranteed OC on air for that chip.
SoulWager
Profile Joined August 2010
United States464 Posts
August 15 2012 04:14 GMT
#24059
On August 15 2012 13:04 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 13:00 SoulWager wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:55 CouchWarrior wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:43 JingleHell wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:32 CouchWarrior wrote:
Would it be worth upgrading this system? Would I see an increase in performance?

i7 920
Nvidia gtx 275
12gb ram
5400 rpm 500gb hdd
Haf 932
Evga x58m sli
(and im not sure what psu)

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's a really vague question. What are you doing with it, what do you plan to do with it?

First thing I'd upgrade personally would be the HDD, then the GPU. The CPU isn't worth it compared to those.

Trying to start a nightly sc2 stream. Maybe 1080p If I were to get featured. And just light gaming all around.

You can stream good 720p with that rig, you may need to OC. You aren't going to stream 1080p with that though, not unless you run the game on a different machine and use a capture card. I have an i7 930 at 3.6 Ghz(HT on) and it's pretty much maxed out streaming 30fps 720p with 2 cores dedicated to sc2.


You can push 1080p if you hit 4.0 with HT enabled, I believe. But that's not a guaranteed OC on air for that chip.

Even at 4 Ghz it's not worth it, SC2 stutters and the stream doesn't look as good as the 720p.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 15 2012 04:17 GMT
#24060
On August 15 2012 13:14 SoulWager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 13:04 JingleHell wrote:
On August 15 2012 13:00 SoulWager wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:55 CouchWarrior wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:43 JingleHell wrote:
On August 15 2012 12:32 CouchWarrior wrote:
Would it be worth upgrading this system? Would I see an increase in performance?

i7 920
Nvidia gtx 275
12gb ram
5400 rpm 500gb hdd
Haf 932
Evga x58m sli
(and im not sure what psu)

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's a really vague question. What are you doing with it, what do you plan to do with it?

First thing I'd upgrade personally would be the HDD, then the GPU. The CPU isn't worth it compared to those.

Trying to start a nightly sc2 stream. Maybe 1080p If I were to get featured. And just light gaming all around.

You can stream good 720p with that rig, you may need to OC. You aren't going to stream 1080p with that though, not unless you run the game on a different machine and use a capture card. I have an i7 930 at 3.6 Ghz(HT on) and it's pretty much maxed out streaming 30fps 720p with 2 cores dedicated to sc2.


You can push 1080p if you hit 4.0 with HT enabled, I believe. But that's not a guaranteed OC on air for that chip.

Even at 4 Ghz it's not worth it, SC2 stutters and the stream doesn't look as good as the 720p.


I think it's possible to get a decent one, but I agree a good 720p is the better alternative.

Was just saying it is sort of possible.

I'd still do the HDD and GPU first, though.
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