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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 16 2009 09:15 GMT
#1
I sat down with Tasteless and had a nice long conversation about SC2 and its future. We go over such fun things as which community will be the best at the new game, how long it will take koreans to dominate, and other fun things.

SC2 esports discussion
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
June 16 2009 09:19 GMT
#2
woah

whats with the WoW sounds at the start.
watching it now
SirNeb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States243 Posts
June 16 2009 09:24 GMT
#3
always fun to see these discussions. Thanks!
Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
June 16 2009 09:25 GMT
#4
Holy cow I feel like I'm in Ashenvale!
Strength behind the Pride
Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
June 16 2009 09:29 GMT
#5
Good stuff! Thanks.
._.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
June 16 2009 09:40 GMT
#6
Lol grrrr....'s statement about sc2. this discussion is kind of getting me pumped. i can't wait for sc2.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
June 16 2009 09:46 GMT
#7
By far the most entertaining and natural disussion to date.

I had a blast watching it.

Good job!
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
June 16 2009 09:47 GMT
#8
you forgot to plug TL ^ ^

ninja edit XD
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
June 16 2009 09:55 GMT
#9
Lol @ shameless plugging. Good video though, some interesting thoughts for sure.

Artosis, what other RTS do you play?
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
PlutoNZ
Profile Joined February 2008
New Zealand410 Posts
June 16 2009 09:56 GMT
#10
Awesome. I love hearing Tasteless and yourself talking about SC2.
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
June 16 2009 10:04 GMT
#11
Where can i buy a 1a2a3a T-shirt?
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
June 16 2009 10:07 GMT
#12
On June 16 2009 19:04 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Where can i buy a 1a2a3a T-shirt?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95476

Thanks again Artosis (and Tasteless)
iloveoov / Flash / Fantasy / Midas / Boxer -BW forever
DarkShadowz
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden321 Posts
June 16 2009 10:12 GMT
#13
That was amazing please do many of them!
HiOT
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Sweden1000 Posts
June 16 2009 10:13 GMT
#14
ninja edit

Great talk, I enjoyed it.
Officially the founder of Team Property (:
DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
June 16 2009 10:38 GMT
#15
On June 16 2009 19:04 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Where can i buy a 1a2a3a T-shirt?


http://thehandsomenerd.com/ He plugged the site in the vid.
And btw... top right on the home page is a TL link :D
"Poor guy. I really did not deserve that win. So this is what it's like to play Protoss..." - IdrA
MrRey
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
183 Posts
June 16 2009 10:39 GMT
#16
I don't know how but Tasteless looks like Travolta in Pulp Fiction, without the long hair... somehow... oh forget it, this interview's nice .
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 10:45:04
June 16 2009 10:41 GMT
#17
"I'm gonna make so much money beating newbies who think they're good in sc2"
- Grrr

OMG I'm horny!

These are really awesome to watch. Thanks a lot Artosis and Tasteless. You guys should do more of these.

Loved the ninja edit too lol
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
June 16 2009 10:55 GMT
#18
On June 16 2009 19:38 DeCoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2009 19:04 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Where can i buy a 1a2a3a T-shirt?


http://thehandsomenerd.com/ He plugged the site in the vid.
And btw... top right on the home page is a TL link :D

lol soon as i saw the shirt i paused the video and posted that. Did not even finish watching it lol 1a2a3a is a must have.
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
June 16 2009 10:55 GMT
#19
WHO IS COMING TO KOREA!!!??
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51484 Posts
June 16 2009 10:56 GMT
#20
brb buying a averatec laptop
Commentator
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51484 Posts
June 16 2009 10:57 GMT
#21
On June 16 2009 19:55 DragoonPK wrote:
WHO IS COMING TO KOREA!!!??


Ninja Edit, of course.
Commentator
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 12:21:03
June 16 2009 11:03 GMT
#22
cant wait till this game comes out, even D starcraft players are gona be gosu compared to the starcraft newcomers.

btw i disagree about koreans being average at starcraft 2 when it comes out because they copy each other. Like 98% of the good and creative strategies have been invented by koreans.
hi
PlutoNZ
Profile Joined February 2008
New Zealand410 Posts
June 16 2009 11:39 GMT
#23
Artosis & Tasteless, what Bnet server/realm are you going to be playing on?
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
June 16 2009 12:02 GMT
#24
Yeah Tasteless looks like Travolta :D
ggaemo fan
Zabestrial
Profile Joined June 2009
United States194 Posts
June 16 2009 12:12 GMT
#25
Lmao guys that was pretty cool. i want a shirt though. what was the website again?

thx in advance
-Zabestrial
www.YouTube.com/BreakingHaven
DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
June 16 2009 12:13 GMT
#26
I don't know what I think about his statement that he's going to play single player over and over to learn the units etc. I hope he does not mean campaign, because a lot of the units are different in campaign, and also you upgrade units and buildings in the campaign which would further change them. If he means single player melee then fair enough.
"Poor guy. I really did not deserve that win. So this is what it's like to play Protoss..." - IdrA
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
June 16 2009 12:18 GMT
#27
omg conspricay edit
hi
Tritanis
Profile Joined November 2007
Poland344 Posts
June 16 2009 12:39 GMT
#28
1a2a3a
;D
I live, I serve, I die for the Metal
Kletus
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
June 16 2009 12:54 GMT
#29
On June 16 2009 19:41 VIB wrote:
OMG I'm horny!


You're horny? All these hype threads are making me wear out my masturbation guide.
Your resistance only serves to make my carapace harder.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 16 2009 12:59 GMT
#30
must play beta now :/
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
June 16 2009 13:08 GMT
#31
So anyone knows who or what is coming to Korea?
perfecting the art of five pool forever
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
June 16 2009 13:24 GMT
#32
On June 16 2009 21:12 Zabestrial wrote:
Lmao guys that was pretty cool. i want a shirt though. what was the website again?

thx in advance
-Zabestrial


www.thehandsomenerd.com
Follow me on twitter: CallMeTasteless
StalkerSC
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada378 Posts
June 16 2009 13:32 GMT
#33
I seen it on youtube, It was awesome and I'm concerned about MBS and Auto mining, MBS would be okay if you could only select turrets, cannons for target fire, but when you can select 10 stargates, thats just foolish.

and auto minning should be for like LAN only, if your having a LAN party with friends thats fine but for competitive starcraft I think its going to be a pain..
IIf your good at Starcraft, Your good at life. - Artosis
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 16 2009 13:37 GMT
#34
nice shirts, +10 handsome
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
June 16 2009 13:43 GMT
#35
The ninja edit is exciting :O
"Somebody you are talking to disappears mid sentence, and the universe shoots you because you talked to someone that wasn`t there." - MasterOfChaos
Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
June 16 2009 13:50 GMT
#36
We <3 you Artosis and Tasteless, Please keep up the good work. You guys really help out the foreign community and new comers like to know more about this game.
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
June 16 2009 13:53 GMT
#37
LOL @ "game racist".
Oh no
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 16 2009 13:54 GMT
#38
I really enjoyed how casual and natural your conversation was, you guys make a great team
Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
June 16 2009 14:13 GMT
#39
Wow great discussion. Seriously, you two have the best flow out of any pairing of Starcraft commentators I've ever seen. More please!
KT fighting~!! | Designing things is fun!
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
June 16 2009 14:18 GMT
#40
I know you guys will be all but disappeared once beta comes out but if you could keep doing these weekly videos throughout the beta regarding its first impressions and eventual beta patches it would be awesome.
bisu fanboy
CongoJack
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada417 Posts
June 16 2009 15:09 GMT
#41
Very good definetly worth watching thanks Artosis.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 16 2009 15:11 GMT
#42
woot, thanks
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Zabestrial
Profile Joined June 2009
United States194 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 15:32:42
June 16 2009 15:31 GMT
#43
On June 16 2009 22:24 MyLostTemple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2009 21:12 Zabestrial wrote:
Lmao guys that was pretty cool. i want a shirt though. what was the website again?

thx in advance
-Zabestrial


www.thehandsomenerd.com



thx man, this helped!
www.YouTube.com/BreakingHaven
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
June 16 2009 15:49 GMT
#44
i wanna wear a cool shirt.

but those are not really good. make them moar preety and they i will buy them :D
I am not good with quotes
cHicKeLoR
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany559 Posts
June 16 2009 16:38 GMT
#45
haha @ ninja edit. that really made my day.
Great video... getting everybody pumped for sc2 and for someone from somewhere to somehow coming to korea ...
Khaymus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States750 Posts
June 16 2009 16:44 GMT
#46
I really liked how they explained how they would try to become better when the game first comes out. Im with Artosis on this one...get owned until you stop getting owned....then find someone better.
Let them say we lived in the time of Boxer, Emperor of Terran. Let them say we lived in the time of Nal_rA, Dreamer of Protoss. Let them say we lived in the time of Savior, Master of the Zerg.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 16 2009 16:54 GMT
#47
Again..? ._.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
June 16 2009 17:17 GMT
#48
Dan/Nick so amazing!!!!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 16 2009 17:35 GMT
#49
It's nice but I think the "person nobody has heard of. EVER" category is vastly underestimated in terms of who will be good ;p
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Cephi
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada21 Posts
June 16 2009 17:37 GMT
#50
hey SCforall seems like a pretty awesome website.

Cool video as well.
The Orbit of Jupiter
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 17:53:04
June 16 2009 17:41 GMT
#51
Artosis: You're like the guy that whips himself
Tasteless: Yeah *sly seductive grin*

kinky. His expression totally cracked me up

Edit: Isn't that the protoss briefing room music and not wow music? People are saying wow :s
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 16 2009 17:52 GMT
#52
NINJA EDIT!~!!!! omg what could it be?
StalkerSC
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada378 Posts
June 16 2009 17:54 GMT
#53
really great video, hope someday im good enough to go to Korea

Ninja Edit ftl lol:S
IIf your good at Starcraft, Your good at life. - Artosis
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3116 Posts
June 16 2009 17:57 GMT
#54
The video's not working for me...I can get into it, but it never actually loads beyond the first 2 seconds.

Is anyone else having this problem?
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
June 16 2009 18:52 GMT
#55
On June 17 2009 02:57 Captain Peabody wrote:
The video's not working for me...I can get into it, but it never actually loads beyond the first 2 seconds.

Is anyone else having this problem?

We all used to.

right click on the video and make sure that the little bar for how much info can fit on your harddrive is set to unlimited.

Then it should load right up, give it 2 minutes after you do this for 100% perfect stream everytime.
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
June 16 2009 19:20 GMT
#56
I laughed so hard when tasteless was grabbing his eye, I was like what the eff! lol!
Hoo Ra!
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
June 16 2009 19:23 GMT
#57
in my opinion Koreans wont dominate.
I see a start of world gosus, not just koreans, and here will be teams by cities, like for Basketball or something. But not like a huge surge in society though, but like its not going to be abnormal talking about starcraft in public, and there will atleast 1 household name (like boxer)
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
June 16 2009 19:30 GMT
#58
FFFFFFFFFFF whose going to korea?
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Pergamon
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden100 Posts
June 16 2009 19:51 GMT
#59
I love these discussions! Tasteless seems way pumped.
Underpromise, Overdeliver.
MrRey
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
183 Posts
June 16 2009 21:03 GMT
#60
On June 17 2009 01:44 Khaymus wrote:
I really liked how they explained how they would try to become better when the game first comes out. Im with Artosis on this one...get owned until you stop getting owned....then find someone better.


I'd rather do like Tasteless will. Learn how all units behave before mindlessly going in the slaughterhouse that would be battle.net.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
June 16 2009 21:13 GMT
#61
Great interview by the great Tasteless and Artosis, I hope I can play them in the beta :p
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
June 16 2009 21:23 GMT
#62
scforall loads so slow.. .

keep the vids coming over beta !
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
June 16 2009 21:48 GMT
#63
omfggg
ninja edit was such a tease
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 22:22:02
June 16 2009 22:21 GMT
#64
On June 16 2009 18:19 SnowFantasy wrote:
woah

whats with the WoW sounds at the start.
watching it now



On June 16 2009 18:25 Alizee- wrote:
Holy cow I feel like I'm in Ashenvale!




godamned noobs

have you ever played SC CAMPAIGN???


nice little discussion, props to nick and dan!
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
June 16 2009 23:25 GMT
#65
Someone is coming to Korea. Lets get a list of possible Candidates.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
zazen
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Brazil695 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 23:36:31
June 16 2009 23:34 GMT
#66
Very entertaining.

Of course, no one can predit who will be good at SC2, but if anything, I'd say most competitive players become better and better until they reach a peak, in both skill and dedication, that goes down after some time, which is why I think those who were obviously dominant in SC:BW won't be that dominant in the beggining of SC2, while players who were always there but never got the opportunity to shine will have the perfect opportunity to do so in SC2.

I wouldn't be surprised at all by some kind of "blast from the past". Tillerman was competitive in the beggining of SC but became a true monster only in WAR3. Some competitive players from SC and WAR3 will show their full power for the first time in SC2, that's for sure. Grrr seems pretty confident, and we all know what he's capable of.

All I know is that I'll never be able to dedicate myself to games like I did back in WAR3 anymore. I was pretty competitive for a while, played in a very big US East guild, and even managed to beat some famous players like Showtime back in the day. Now, with a job and a GF, I'm ok with being just a 40 APM newbie who makes maps in SC2.
"The quest for nexus has brought many men of genius to insanity... HUEHUEHUE!"
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 17 2009 02:00 GMT
#67
@FA

to say that there are going to be people coming up with no RTS experience to be top players in the beginning is dumb imo. there are so many knowledgeable players awaiting this game, so many people with at least some idea of how to approach an rts game, how to practice, how to compete. even tho many won't do so as well as others, someone coming in with no experience will have too much to learn to get up high quickly. even like 6?7?8? years ago when war3 came out, only a tiny number of unknowns rose in the beginning. now rts is FAR more defined. i just cant see it happening.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 17 2009 06:31 GMT
#68
Just FYI: If you try and skip ahead on these videos it completely messes up the video. I dont know if its something that you are able to fix or even care about, just an observation. I just have the last 5 minutes to watch so Ill just wait for it to play to that part

Love this one though, very good quality, good audio, and good discussion.

Thanks!
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
June 17 2009 07:59 GMT
#69
On June 17 2009 08:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Someone is coming to Korea. Lets get a list of possible Candidates.

Yeah why it a secret too? hmmmm .......
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
June 17 2009 08:46 GMT
#70
God I love your shirts LOL.
Graphics
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
June 18 2009 00:49 GMT
#71
On June 17 2009 16:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2009 08:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Someone is coming to Korea. Lets get a list of possible Candidates.

Yeah why it a secret too? hmmmm .......


Its actually not quite as exciting as it seems lol.
Still secret tho sry.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
June 18 2009 00:56 GMT
#72
I'm placing a bet on someone Chinese.

if it turns out to be like Artosis's mum or something, I will be disappointed.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 18 2009 01:34 GMT
#73
On June 17 2009 07:21 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2009 18:19 SnowFantasy wrote:
woah

whats with the WoW sounds at the start.
watching it now



Show nested quote +
On June 16 2009 18:25 Alizee- wrote:
Holy cow I feel like I'm in Ashenvale!




godamned noobs

have you ever played SC CAMPAIGN???


nice little discussion, props to nick and dan!


Yea seriously man, wtf, WoW?
That's the sound of the protoss conclave man


Good video... return of grrr? :p
Now for the first time in a long while I'm really excited about sc2

beep boop
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10774 Posts
June 18 2009 07:44 GMT
#74
I think (old) top foreigners will do extremely good in the beginning of SC2, in fact I think everyone that played "decent" Starcraft and did not rely mainly on his mechanics will beat the crap out of most "macro-bots".
Starcraft nowadays is so mapped out, you could actually become pretty good just by memorizing BO's whiteout even knowing why they work.

Remember back when there were no Replays? That were the really good times for *smart* players. Replays changed the evolution of the game drastically, suddenly everyone could copycat the working BO's that smart guys figured out and could actually check how they just got owned. Before replays? Sometimes you just got dropped/attacked by XX amount of Units and were just WTF HOW CAN HE HAVE THAT MUCH and you would have never known, you just got PWNT!!! whiteout a clue if you just got outplayed or your enemy was doing some, by nowadays standard, *nearly*-all-in built (hydra break for instance)...


The people that will dominate the SC2 ladder in the first 2-3 Month's will be the ones that *grasp* the game the fastest, no one else, I don't think it will matter if they actually played Starcraft. It's far more important that they understand how the resources/units *work*, smart people will figure that out (to some extent) in no time while others won't get it until someone shows them BO's.

I *get* games fast, if you give me a random RTS I never played and let me have 1 hour I will be far better than most people after that time (I made bet's about such things with my school friends in random games, always won :p).

I went into DoW1 2 weeks after release and instantly made a ~15-2 record? Just because most people *don't get it* (and the ones that did get it were already way higher in ladder because they started on release ).

I went into WC3 and made the Top 100 Europe with really nice stats for 2-3 Months and then I slowly dropped (and stopped playing), my success was not based on superior micro, my micro was worse than most peoples in the top 500. Why could I make it that high anyway? Most people did just not get the game. They built the wrong units, they wouldn't counter correctly, they were retarded. Many people basically ignored what this game was about.

Just look at other games, I never played Supreme Commander online, but in my 5th game I won 1on3 hard CPU's. When watching some SubCom forums I saw that there are really people that struggle with 1 hard CPU saying they played SupCom for 2 weeks (well, I would call this a mental illness)...

SC2 won't be about mechanics, it won't be about micro, it won't be about APM, it won't be about Macro. It will be about who *see's* the fastest how this game has to be played, before replays let retards with mechanics catch up . It will be about *smart* play because no one will have a *perfect* BO to hide his lack of game understanding... All the guys that train SC/BW like madman now to be *fast enough* for SC/BW will be in for a surprise, it won't be the APM or knowledge about SC1 that will make you win the game, not in the beginning at least.

I doubt I will do as good in SC2 as I did in WC3, just because the average SC/BW player is probably a little smarter than the avg. WC3 player (else he would never have played WC3 for that long ).


It will be glorious for many, many old school SC/BW players and it will be harsh to many, many Mechabots.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
June 18 2009 07:47 GMT
#75
Artosis when are we gonna know whos comming to korea?
and what for what purpose?
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
June 18 2009 08:04 GMT
#76
On June 18 2009 16:44 Velr wrote:
I think (old) top foreigners will do extremely good in the beginning of SC2, in fact I think everyone that played "decent" Starcraft and did not rely mainly on his mechanics will beat the crap out of most "macro-bots".
Starcraft nowadays is so mapped out, you could actually become pretty good just by memorizing BO's whiteout even knowing why they work.

Remember back when there were no Replays? That were the really good times for *smart* players. Replays changed the evolution of the game drastically, suddenly everyone could copycat the working BO's that smart guys figured out and could actually check how they just got owned. Before replays? Sometimes you just got dropped/attacked by XX amount of Units and were just WTF HOW CAN HE HAVE THAT MUCH and you would have never known, you just got PWNT!!! whiteout a clue if you just got outplayed or your enemy was doing some, by nowadays standard, *nearly*-all-in built (hydra break for instance)...


The people that will dominate the SC2 ladder in the first 2-3 Month's will be the ones that *grasp* the game the fastest, no one else, I don't think it will matter if they actually played Starcraft. It's far more important that they understand how the resources/units *work*, smart people will figure that out (to some extent) in no time while others won't get it until someone shows them BO's.

I *get* games fast, if you give me a random RTS I never played and let me have 1 hour I will be far better than most people after that time (I made bet's about such things with my school friends in random games, always won :p).

I went into DoW1 2 weeks after release and instantly made a ~15-2 record? Just because most people *don't get it* (and the ones that did get it were already way higher in ladder because they started on release ).

I went into WC3 and made the Top 100 Europe with really nice stats for 2-3 Months and then I slowly dropped (and stopped playing), my success was not based on superior micro, my micro was worse than most peoples in the top 500. Why could I make it that high anyway? Most people did just not get the game. They built the wrong units, they wouldn't counter correctly, they were retarded. Many people basically ignored what this game was about.

Just look at other games, I never played Supreme Commander online, but in my 5th game I won 1on3 hard CPU's. When watching some SubCom forums I saw that there are really people that struggle with 1 hard CPU saying they played SupCom for 2 weeks (well, I would call this a mental illness)...

SC2 won't be about mechanics, it won't be about micro, it won't be about APM, it won't be about Macro. It will be about who *see's* the fastest how this game has to be played, before replays let retards with mechanics catch up . It will be about *smart* play because no one will have a *perfect* BO to hide his lack of game understanding... All the guys that train SC/BW like madman now to be *fast enough* for SC/BW will be in for a surprise, it won't be the APM or knowledge about SC1 that will make you win the game, not in the beginning at least.

I doubt I will do as good in SC2 as I did in WC3, just because the average SC/BW player is probably a little smarter than the avg. WC3 player (else he would never have played WC3 for that long ).


It will be glorious for many, many old school SC/BW players and it will be harsh to many, many Mechabots.

I assume sc2 will start out with replays. Probably the beta will have them too.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10774 Posts
June 18 2009 08:47 GMT
#77
Yeah, but it will take time nonetheless. WC3 also started with replays but until the general crowd figures out how Race X should be played or "can be played to a decent effect" some time will pass. Replays spread, but they don't spread the instant they are created and it will also actually take time to develope a (very basic) standart play for each race/mu.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
June 18 2009 10:37 GMT
#78
nice vid. interesting ideas and stuff. good watch.

HAHAHA yea i love when people go "wtf you count the pylons?" or "oh wtf you click on their minerals at the natural to gauge the time they took that expo?"
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Kleander
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States334 Posts
June 18 2009 13:30 GMT
#79
On June 18 2009 09:49 Artosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2009 16:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
On June 17 2009 08:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Someone is coming to Korea. Lets get a list of possible Candidates.

Yeah why it a secret too? hmmmm .......


Its actually not quite as exciting as it seems lol.
Still secret tho sry.


(Insert random foreigner here) is going to join a Korean pro-team

just my guess
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Idle
Profile Joined May 2009
Korea (South)124 Posts
June 18 2009 18:00 GMT
#80
I'm going to korea in a month! Clearly they were talking about me
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 18 2009 18:02 GMT
#81
On June 18 2009 22:30 Kleander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 09:49 Artosis wrote:
On June 17 2009 16:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
On June 17 2009 08:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Someone is coming to Korea. Lets get a list of possible Candidates.

Yeah why it a secret too? hmmmm .......


Its actually not quite as exciting as it seems lol.
Still secret tho sry.


(Insert random foreigner here) is going to join a Korean pro-team

just my guess


Surely Artosis would be quite excited about that, so no..
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 18 2009 18:57 GMT
#82
On June 19 2009 03:00 Idle wrote:
I'm going to korea in a month! Clearly they were talking about me


he said it here. it must be true.
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Zabestrial
Profile Joined June 2009
United States194 Posts
June 18 2009 18:58 GMT
#83
lmao wow
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vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
June 18 2009 19:04 GMT
#84
I bet its DAy[9]

going to Korea that is..

But I also think DAy[9] could be a very good SC2 player
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5446 Posts
June 18 2009 19:28 GMT
#85
Finally finished the video. Really great job. I fully agree with Artosis that it'll be the really creative players dominating for a while. I'm also with him in that I'll just play play play when I get my chance to learn the game. The game should flow nicely, so it should be pretty obvious which units to make when after a game or two!
Zabestrial
Profile Joined June 2009
United States194 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 21:32:37
June 18 2009 21:24 GMT
#86
lmaoz good job guys nice work
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SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
June 18 2009 22:48 GMT
#87
Awesome. Thanks Artosis.


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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
June 19 2009 11:23 GMT
#88
Awesome work Artosis + Tasteless as usual. I hope you give us more info on the top secret person.
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Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
June 19 2009 23:01 GMT
#89
1a2a3a lol a really toss user shirt ;P
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Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
June 19 2009 23:38 GMT
#90
LOL 1a2a3a tasteless shirt LOL
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-21 03:43:26
June 21 2009 03:42 GMT
#91
mr plott your too much of an alpha-male, pls let poor artosis talk a bit
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Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
June 21 2009 22:25 GMT
#92
nice artosis <3
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KiNPiN
Profile Joined May 2009
United States32 Posts
June 21 2009 22:51 GMT
#93
that 1a2a3a shirt is so awesome.
ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
June 22 2009 03:41 GMT
#94
cool shirts but too expensive
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