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MJG
United Kingdom1371 Posts
On August 19 2024 14:28 Gescom wrote: It's an annual event with seedings based on the full year, not just a weekend tourney. Don't be dense. Don't try to defend this ridiculous format. It doesn't do anything better than a regular double-elimination bracket, but it does many things much worse. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary485 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26192 Posts
On August 19 2024 08:29 Nakajin wrote: A strange weekend for me. Having watched pretty much all the big events in the last decade, it was an odd feeling to search for things to do to distract myself from SC2. Although I followed along by checking the TL thread and Liquipedia from time to time (can you imagine not opening TL for 4-5 days? The agony) Hopefully, there's a path forward for Starcraft 2 that doesn't involve going back to Saudi Arabia so that I'm at ease watching the next world championship, but I doubt it. Anyhow, well done Clem, better luck next time Serral, and don't worry Ryung, I know you would have won that 400 k$ match. Can’t disagree there man. Aside from ethical concerns, there’s the actual eSport itself too. Terrible format for me, a venue you’re not gonna get many fans to go to and whatnot. Not an issue here I don’t believe (indeed unfathomable if we look at Clem’s play) but I think people forget that Gamers8 was maybe the only offline event in SC2’s history that had to be played with appreciable ping. Also I mean I don’t think a big megatournament is really what the doctor ordered in terms of sustaining the scene in the medium or long term. GSL could do with some love. WTL (although they mitigated it with some partnership fudging) also suffered from non-SC2 orgs picking up SC2 players specifically for this tournament. Hey I’m one of life’s pessimists but I think SC2 gets dropped if the EWC properly takes off, because I haven’t seen all that much evidence that it’s a thing the organisers particularly care for. | ||
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Ch3rry
Poland228 Posts
On August 19 2024 15:26 MJG wrote: Don't try to defend this ridiculous format. It doesn't do anything better than a regular double-elimination bracket, but it does many things much worse. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. I think you are missing one point - each of the players were guaranteed at least $15,000 (which is like 4x GSL S2 1st place prize). So we had two phases of the tournament: Group A & B to early secure this sweet top 4 spot guaranting you at least $80,000 - all or nothing phase, that only top 3 players actual won anything (plus $5,000 bonus for Maru but we can skip that). Knockout Bracket, where all players started from scratch to secure last spot in top 4. Bo3 made it that each map counted and I personally enjoyed emotions being high from the first game. Where for contrary in the final, when it was 2:0 for Clem, I was like "meh, it doesn't count, Serral still got this" (I was wrong at that time obviously) | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
I didn't realize the club awards were THAT much money that's insane. But it makes sense in that each team has so many different teams for different games, and many games have multiple players. I wonder if the teams give the players any % of the cut. If they do, imagine if it'd be funny if Serral lost on purpose and Clem shared him more money than if Serral won 1st place xD (Not accusing just putting it into perspective how much money it is). MVP award is interesting, I guess if someone pulled off a few upsets or knocked out the best players of the tournament but then lost to someone else not as good, the one knocking out the best players could get the MVP. For example if Oliveira got the win vs Maru then beat Serral to make it to Top 4. Or if someone in Knockout bracket beat Maru Serral and Clem never had to face Maru Serral, something like that. I want to see who got the other awards like best game/match, best strategy, etc. I hope Showtime and Gumiho got the best game award for how crazy their game 1 was, they both deserve it for playing different and it's no surprise their matches tend to be interesting to watch. Edit: Oh nevermind, it was only Gamers8 that had Best Game, Best Strategy, Best Play awards. Sucks it got replaced with a MVP award, even for a 1v1 game. | ||
Poopi
France12906 Posts
Other than that, the format was quite bad (bo3, really? And several « useless » bo5 just for seeding). Almost no crowd since the venue is far away / too expensive. Unfortunately this country has the cash to keep making events there, but that’s a pretty bad location for tournaments as we have seen | ||
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angryground
60 Posts
On August 19 2024 15:20 shadowyice wrote: For the avoidance of same group encounter, group A lower bracket semifinal exit (Byun) and final exit (Oliveira) will face group B lower bracket round 1 exits (Classic and Coffee). In a REASONABLE seeding, as Oliveira had a better result than Byun, Oliveira should be better seeded and be pit against the lower ranked Coffee. Instead, they did a RANDOM seeding between the above players, making the progression from lower bracket semifinal to final completely meaningless so long as you cannot enter the 2nd vs 2nd match. Truly hilarious seeding, for an ANNUAL event. If the seeding mechanism has a better logic in it, please enlighten me. From what I understand the seeding in the knockout bracket is not completely random: those who advanced further get to play those who went out at the start. For this reason, Byun, who won a few matches, played Coffee who lost all of his. same thing for Oliveira. Feel free to correct me on this though, I'm not 100% sure. That being said, even if there is logic to it, it's not very good. Shin and Showtime both losing 1 match and being out - bullshit. Oliveira winning two matches but getting last place just like Coffee - bullshit. The group stage also got really stupid when Byun lost two times to Oliveira and then Oliveira lost two times to Maru - like, what is this, haven't we already seen this match? | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1841 Posts
On August 19 2024 17:18 kajtarp wrote: Does anyone know what tournaments are left for this year/early next year? Is there something like a Calender somewhere? thats it for big tournaments as of now. if esl / gsl continues is still very much up in the air. hell, even the weekly cups end next week. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4032 Posts
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Conreik
France51 Posts
On August 19 2024 17:18 kajtarp wrote: Does anyone know what tournaments are left for this year/early next year? Is there something like a Calender somewhere? Next tournament that I have in mind is the HomeStory Cup XXVI. Starts the 29th of november. | ||
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sc2turtlepants
46 Posts
On August 19 2024 17:18 kajtarp wrote: Does anyone know what tournaments are left for this year/early next year? Is there something like a Calender somewhere? Pig's said he planned to do his next Pigfest after EWC, but afaik it isn't set in stone yet. Should get an announcement soon if he's going through with it | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary485 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3463 Posts
1st day felt like a Redbull Battlegrounds, there were so many repeat matches it was ridiculous. 2nd day was the true tournament, especially if you have any sympathy for the Protoss state of things. HerO only wasn't able to beat 1 player, Serral, on day 1,and that made it so he had to start all over again. I already saw herO as the best player on day 1, thought he could get to the final four again, but didn't actually believe he would go and do it. He then proceeds to do it establishing that he really is the best player here. Day 3: herO got sick after his ridiculous effort and didn't play optimally, still he puts on a great show. Clem we knew would kill any zerg, he is the tvz specialist after all, and he did make an insanely strong statement with the few number of games lost. But Serral is in the military, remember, so he's not at his best, and clem already proved that he could beat him. So all he did the final day apart from playing amazingly was to beat herO. Had herO been just a little worse, clem would've faced Cure and lost, and it is not even certain he would've defeated Maru as well. Maybe it's just the way the tournament was structured with an entire day dedicated to the 4th place, but the tournament didn't convince me that Clem is better than herO. Hero admittedly lost to two players, clem and serral, but he almost beat everyone else. Meanwhile clem dodged any tvt, which would've been a danger for him, and also didn't even fight a korean zerg, which would've at least been a test as well. Clem played amazingly, but I am more amazed by herO. He plays the highest lvl pvt, beating his old self. And he reached even old stats pvz lvl. Still this doesn't mean that you can win as protoss. Play the highest peak of skill ever and you still only get a ro4, protoss seriously needs help. | ||
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tommey.liang
United States363 Posts
Maru not making it through to the final four just shows how stacked this tournament was. Wasn't a fan of the straight sweeps in the final four either. Clem's 8-0 dominance vs. Serral is virtually unheard of, given Joona's peak form the past 12 months. That probably won't be replicated again but we'll see. If they're doing this again next year, we're all in for a real treat again. | ||
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veniss
77 Posts
Format: -Seems weird. -Gotta try new formats to see how they fare in practice. Fingers crossed ESL announces more SC2 after the EWC is over. | ||
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johnnyh123
124 Posts
- herO was responsible for 78% of all Protoss series wins in the entire tournament. Of the total 9 series wins for Protoss, herO won 7. - herO played the most series in the entire tournament at 10. - He got us believing in Protoss again. - Showed great games, and really made the tournament interesting. Without herO, it would basically be a weekend of slugfests between T&Z. Literally it wouldn't be SC2 anymore, it would be TZ2. I definitely was cheering on herO to win the entire thing after his great showing. It would have been an awesome storyline - Only player to play every day - Most series played - Lost to Serral in Upper Bracket 0-3, lost to Serral in Lower Bracket 2-3, then wins against Serral at the grand finals 5-x. Almost like a classic hero story with our protagonist being herO. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26192 Posts
On August 20 2024 01:42 johnnyh123 wrote: I actually kind of agree that herO should have won the MVP award. - herO was responsible for 78% of all Protoss series wins in the entire tournament. Of the total 9 series wins for Protoss, herO won 7. - herO played the most series in the entire tournament at 10. - He got us believing in Protoss again. - Showed great games, and really made the tournament interesting. Without herO, it would basically be a weekend of slugfests between T&Z. Literally it wouldn't be SC2 anymore, it would be TZ2. I definitely was cheering on herO to win the entire thing after his great showing. It would have been an awesome storyline - Only player to play every day - Most series played - Lost to Serral in Upper Bracket 0-3, lost to Serral in Lower Bracket 2-3, then wins against Serral at the grand finals 5-x. Almost like a classic hero story with our protagonist being herO. It’s just fucking stupid to have an ‘MVP’ award in a 1v1, mano o mano tournament in the first place. herO had a thrilling run, but Clem didn’t lose a series and went 9-0 from the Ro4 onwards. You can’t not give it to Clem, that would be silly. Mvp awards are for team sports where, even if your team sucks you can be so outstanding that your individual performance is recognised | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
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ZeroByte13
780 Posts
On August 19 2024 23:50 ejozl wrote: I like herO a lot but to think he played at "the highest peak of skill ever" at this tournament is pure copium, IMO. He probably didn't play at his personal peak, let alone any player ever.Clem played amazingly, but I am more amazed by herO. He plays the highest lvl pvt, beating his old self. And he reached even old stats pvz lvl. Still this doesn't mean that you can win as protoss. Play the highest peak of skill ever and you still only get a ro4, protoss seriously needs help. herO had won vs Clem 3-0 just recently, so obviously it's possible with this patch / map pool. Clem was just much better this particular Sunday, just like he played much better than Serral in the finals. Repeat the same Ro4 this or next Sunday and I'm not sure Clem necessarily wins vs herO or Serral. Sometimes one player hits the peak form of his life for one day is simply untouchable, that's it. | ||
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fr33xta
8 Posts
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