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onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
July 25 2025 18:36 GMT
#201
Imagine thinking the GOAT is someone with 0 world titles 15 years into the game.

Serral has 3 (debatably 4 the year Katowice was the world championship until EWC was added later in the year).
Livin' this life like it was written.
THERIDDLER
Profile Joined July 2014
Canada119 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-25 18:48:22
July 25 2025 18:43 GMT
#202
On July 26 2025 03:36 onPHYRE wrote:
Imagine thinking the GOAT is someone with 0 world titles 15 years into the game.

Serral has 3 (debatably 4 the year Katowice was the world championship until EWC was added later in the year).


Imagine thinking the goat is someone with 0 titles 8 years into the game. You people probably think Soulkey is the Brood war goat LOL
Please don't fricken hack, its just a game.
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-25 21:54:07
July 25 2025 21:52 GMT
#203
On July 26 2025 03:43 THERIDDLER wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 03:36 onPHYRE wrote:
Imagine thinking the GOAT is someone with 0 world titles 15 years into the game.

Serral has 3 (debatably 4 the year Katowice was the world championship until EWC was added later in the year).


Imagine thinking the goat is someone with 0 titles 8 years into the game. You people probably think Soulkey is the Brood war goat LOL


Serral started winning titles a couple of years into playing. Sorry the GOAT didn’t start playing games in 2010.. that literally has nothing to do with anything. Every analyst talks about how the game is at its highest skill level right now. Jordan isn’t the GOAT because he didn’t play back when the game was invented? The Celtics aren’t the greatest Dynasty because they didn’t win until ‘57! I’ve read some awful arguments on here but this one takes the cake.

And no Soulkey is not the GOAT (he is the best player in the world currrntly), it’s clearly Flash.

Livin' this life like it was written.
dedede
Profile Joined March 2024
United States116 Posts
July 25 2025 22:22 GMT
#204
On July 26 2025 06:52 onPHYRE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 03:43 THERIDDLER wrote:
On July 26 2025 03:36 onPHYRE wrote:
Imagine thinking the GOAT is someone with 0 world titles 15 years into the game.

Serral has 3 (debatably 4 the year Katowice was the world championship until EWC was added later in the year).


Imagine thinking the goat is someone with 0 titles 8 years into the game. You people probably think Soulkey is the Brood war goat LOL


Serral started winning titles a couple of years into playing. Sorry the GOAT didn’t start playing games in 2010.. that literally has nothing to do with anything. Every analyst talks about how the game is at its highest skill level right now. Jordan isn’t the GOAT because he didn’t play back when the game was invented? The Celtics aren’t the greatest Dynasty because they didn’t win until ‘57! I’ve read some awful arguments on here but this one takes the cake.

And no Soulkey is not the GOAT (he is the best player in the world currrntly), it’s clearly Flash.



If WC titles is all you look at, why denying the fact he was a pro since 2013 though still lacking achievement in Kespa era when Maru/Life both won SSL/OSL/GSL during the time? You can just make a claim that “Serral didn’t achieve good results in the SC2 esports prime time but he got 3 WC titles so he is GOAT although the scene is less competitive”, isn’t this all facts? Is this claim not strong enough for yourself so that you have to make it perfect by denying facts like “oh Serral was actively playing but he wasn’t good so imma erase that history” or “(being delusional) Kespa era wasnt the most competitive despite that it had the full esports professional team league infrastructure and had OSL/SSL/GSL/WCS/Proleague nonstop every week”.

Also if WC titles is the most important, then SOS >>> Maru/Inno/Stats? SOS should also be way above anyone since he got the WCS when the scene was still thriving.
Terran
THERIDDLER
Profile Joined July 2014
Canada119 Posts
July 25 2025 23:28 GMT
#205
On July 26 2025 06:52 onPHYRE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 03:43 THERIDDLER wrote:
On July 26 2025 03:36 onPHYRE wrote:
Imagine thinking the GOAT is someone with 0 world titles 15 years into the game.

Serral has 3 (debatably 4 the year Katowice was the world championship until EWC was added later in the year).


Imagine thinking the goat is someone with 0 titles 8 years into the game. You people probably think Soulkey is the Brood war goat LOL


Serral started winning titles a couple of years into playing. Sorry the GOAT didn’t start playing games in 2010.. that literally has nothing to do with anything. Every analyst talks about how the game is at its highest skill level right now. Jordan isn’t the GOAT because he didn’t play back when the game was invented? The Celtics aren’t the greatest Dynasty because they didn’t win until ‘57! I’ve read some awful arguments on here but this one takes the cake.

And no Soulkey is not the GOAT (he is the best player in the world currrntly), it’s clearly Flash.



Oh its one of those delusional redditors that think the game is at its "HIGHEST LEVEL EVER!"
Please don't fricken hack, its just a game.
dedede
Profile Joined March 2024
United States116 Posts
July 26 2025 00:45 GMT
#206
On July 26 2025 08:28 THERIDDLER wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2025 06:52 onPHYRE wrote:
On July 26 2025 03:43 THERIDDLER wrote:
On July 26 2025 03:36 onPHYRE wrote:
Imagine thinking the GOAT is someone with 0 world titles 15 years into the game.

Serral has 3 (debatably 4 the year Katowice was the world championship until EWC was added later in the year).


Imagine thinking the goat is someone with 0 titles 8 years into the game. You people probably think Soulkey is the Brood war goat LOL


Serral started winning titles a couple of years into playing. Sorry the GOAT didn’t start playing games in 2010.. that literally has nothing to do with anything. Every analyst talks about how the game is at its highest skill level right now. Jordan isn’t the GOAT because he didn’t play back when the game was invented? The Celtics aren’t the greatest Dynasty because they didn’t win until ‘57! I’ve read some awful arguments on here but this one takes the cake.

And no Soulkey is not the GOAT (he is the best player in the world currrntly), it’s clearly Flash.



Oh its one of those delusional redditors that think the game is at its "HIGHEST LEVEL EVER!"


"Highest in-game knowlegde" could be as it should be better as time goes.
"Highest level ever" idk about this watching the slow version of maru still be able to be on top 8 makes me not believe this
"Lowest competitive level" 100%. The competitive level is going down every year and in this year it's always almost the same group of people in top 8 every time.
Terran
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