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GOAT addendum - More Great Rogue Games!

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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1849 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 10:17:32
February 27 2024 10:03 GMT
#1
It may be hard to believe, but Rogue has long been one of my favorite players. I glommed onto Jin Air pretty quickly after Maru joined and, since I play Zerg, Rogue instantly caught my attention. He wasn’t the best Zerg out there—and he seemed incapable of getting past the Ro8 in Code S—but boy was he fun. Years later, I still consider him one the most entertaining players in StarCraft history and my personal favorite when it comes to shenanigans. In honor of his GOAT article, I decided to share a few of my personal favorite Rogue masterpieces/disasters.

I’ve mentioned the game where Rogue breaks out swarm hosts against herO despite the fact that they were almost never used in competitive player, so here’s another game where Rogue makes swarm hosts when no one else will. This time he’s playing against Dark in a ZvZ on Dusk Towers.



herO is far and away the biggest victim of Rogue’s nonsense. This is one of Rogue’s earliest conquests, as he cooked up another spicy swarm host build.



This delight came during the height of HotS mech (aka the second half of 2015), but it reminds me of when I was learning to play and someone would tell me a unit was good and I’d just spam it in the next game. That’s what Rogue did with Vipers, breaking Bbyong’s defenses with a viper count that had never before been seen in Proleague.



Rogue proxy hatches against Classic.



Rogue proxy hatches against Classic again…



You’ve heard of a proxy hatch? How about four in one game? Disclaimer: No Classic’s were harmed in the making of this video.



I know it’s hard to believe, but Zerg air armies can be both fun and engaging. Watch as Rogue employs a peculiar composition against the normally unflappable Rain.



So, Rogue decides to proxy hatch on Odyssey. I personally think this is a great idea which is why I suggested soO do the build in the Code S final against GuMiho, but Rogue can’t just do a normal build with a pretty decent win rate. He has to do something absurdly complicated instead. With one of Stats’ probes patrolling in his main and natural, Rogue places a hatchery in the corner of his main, cancels it and puts down a spawning pool. The story Rogue is trying to sell is that he took one or both gold bases and that is why the spawning pool hasn’t been scouted (assuming Stats don’t scout it by chance).

The funny part of all this madness is that Stats’ probe scouts the proxied hatchery immediately after Rogue’s Roach Warren starts. When the camera shifts to Rogue, his Roach Warren is right next to the spawning pool, with both of them off creep. This may seem insignificant, but it does come into play in a back and forth low eco affair that gets wonkier by the minute.



Rogue and Shine combine for one of the more amusing basetrades I’ve seen in my life (and in a matchup where you rarely see them)!



This is a bit of an aside, but this is the game that resulted in MyuNgSik crying in the booth against Maru.



“The Box Art” game has always been one of my favorites. I’m not entirely sure what Rogue was going for with his tech switches, but anyone who has an army of 3 mutalisks, 2 ultras, 7 vipers and two queens is A-Okay in my book. Anyway, watch as Rogue shows us how StarCraft II was meant to be played (just like that viking in the Hots trailer).



Muta vs muta was always the worst style of ZvZ. True Zergs play roach vs roach, but they do occasionally lapse into the objectively worse playstyle. Rogue realizes the error of his ways against soO just in time to create a massive ground air tailor made to defeat mutas.

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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
February 27 2024 10:29 GMT
#2
Still a patchzerg that wouldn't have gone past the ro8 in a gsl if not for hydra bane
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4549 Posts
February 27 2024 10:32 GMT
#3
Hopefully this blog spinoff will be more peaceful than the main threads.

I cant believe I can still remember watching some of these games live on twitch / youtube when it happened
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
February 27 2024 10:50 GMT
#4
On February 27 2024 19:32 LennX wrote:
Hopefully this blog spinoff will be more peaceful than the main threads.

I cant believe I can still remember watching some of these games live on twitch / youtube when it happened

I think it's somewhat comforting, knowing we haven't (entirely) wasted our time
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bulldozer06701
Profile Joined July 2019
123 Posts
February 27 2024 11:19 GMT
#5
What was that hilarious game where Rogue 4-0 Serral? I need to see that again
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1849 Posts
February 27 2024 14:10 GMT
#6
On February 27 2024 19:50 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2024 19:32 LennX wrote:
Hopefully this blog spinoff will be more peaceful than the main threads.

I cant believe I can still remember watching some of these games live on twitch / youtube when it happened

I think it's somewhat comforting, knowing we haven't (entirely) wasted our time


And that we made some friends along the way
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25054 Posts
February 27 2024 14:18 GMT
#7
Man I’m really looking forward to checking this out after I clear the recommended VoDs from the main GOAT list
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1849 Posts
February 27 2024 14:21 GMT
#8
On February 27 2024 23:18 WombaT wrote:
Man I’m really looking forward to checking this out after I clear the recommended VoDs from the main GOAT list


All vods from the Goat list will be posted in an article which will be coming out after all ten entries are done. This should save people some time as they won't have to open and reopen threads to find said games.
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jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 15:27:45
February 27 2024 15:22 GMT
#9
Phase 1: F2    Phase 2: A   Phase 3: Profit!
Nasigil
Profile Joined July 2023
137 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 15:54:33
February 27 2024 15:31 GMT
#10
Thank you. I hope you do the same for following Serral and Maru post. There's no way you could summarize their play style with like 3 games in the article.

I like that it includes some games Rogue actually lost, and that's important I think. For these GOAT level players, the games they lost are often some of the best ones because that means their opponents also elevated themselves to same or higher level in order to beat them, which means you get to watch some absolute highest level plays, and you get to see how GOATs fights back with all they have in desperate situations.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 17:20:11
February 27 2024 17:19 GMT
#11
Wow, wait, Mizen, does this mean that you wrote the infamous Emperor article as a Rogue fan?? That's Savage if so

It took me a while to become a Rogue fan, but now I'm excited for him to be back too
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 27 2024 18:06 GMT
#12
Makes you wonder why proxy hatches never became meta.

Rogue was one of my favourite players during HotS and seeing all these games again reminds me of why. Although he became someone I disliked watching when he started actually winning championships :D

I dunno what they were smoking in the Jin Air house but between Rogue, Maru, and sOs, those guys know how to make Starcraft fun to watch. The craziest highlight reels you'll see. Would be great to get more of these lists
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12790 Posts
February 27 2024 18:12 GMT
#13
All of these games are gems, I will be doing a watching party with a buddy of mine of all these great « old » games

I am still surprised that Rogue couldn’t find success earlier in his career, given how strong he became afterwards
His creativity allowed him to beat Maru during the raven patch with brute force when Serral couldn’t find a way to « theoretically » beat it. His series vs Dark also were often super entertaining

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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 18:28:09
February 27 2024 18:27 GMT
#14
On the topic of Rogue highlights, this is how much of a menace he was. Some infamous games long before he won any trophies

-Rain won GSL S2 2015, was knocked out the following season by Rogue 6pool

-Classic won SSL S2 2015, knocked out the next season by Rogue proxy hatch

-herO won SSL S3 2015, lost game 7 in the Proleague playoffs to Rogue's baneling doom drop a week later

-Zest was the best player in the world early 2016, and lost game 7 of the 2016 R1 Proleague playoffs to Rogue's nydus worm

-Shortly after, Zest won GSL S1, only to lose to Rogue's lurker rush in another Proleague ace match a month later.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 20 2024 00:57 GMT
#15
#3 in goat rankings, but #1 in bonjwa ranking
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51436 Posts
March 20 2024 02:40 GMT
#16
oh hey i casted that first game lmao
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
March 20 2024 05:20 GMT
#17
I remember one particularly series against Scarlett
It was insanely scrappy, whacky and somtimes outright Bad.
On the end Rogue won by the slimest of margins and afterwards declared in his mind it was a clean sweep.
Can t remember where it was played though
Also can t remember if it was a bo3 or bo5
Anyone else remember that clown Fiesta? It was absolutly hilarious
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
March 20 2024 17:00 GMT
#18
On February 28 2024 03:06 Fango wrote:
Makes you wonder why proxy hatches never became meta.

Rogue was one of my favourite players during HotS and seeing all these games again reminds me of why. Although he became someone I disliked watching when he started actually winning championships :D

I dunno what they were smoking in the Jin Air house but between Rogue, Maru, and sOs, those guys know how to make Starcraft fun to watch. The craziest highlight reels you'll see. Would be great to get more of these lists

it has (had?) a lot to do with how the early game has changed over the years, especially with more workers at the beginning of the game. HOTS proxy hatch was peak entertainment on the ladder for me.

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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1849 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-20 17:37:31
March 20 2024 17:36 GMT
#19
On March 21 2024 02:00 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2024 03:06 Fango wrote:
Makes you wonder why proxy hatches never became meta.

Rogue was one of my favourite players during HotS and seeing all these games again reminds me of why. Although he became someone I disliked watching when he started actually winning championships :D

I dunno what they were smoking in the Jin Air house but between Rogue, Maru, and sOs, those guys know how to make Starcraft fun to watch. The craziest highlight reels you'll see. Would be great to get more of these lists

it has (had?) a lot to do with how the early game has changed over the years, especially with more workers at the beginning of the game. HOTS proxy hatch was peak entertainment on the ladder for me.



As someone who has a lifetime 10% win rate against Protoss (at least it feels that way), there was a window in 2018-19 where proxy hatching was grossly overpowered (since i could actually beat protoss for once my mmr went from 4500ish to 4900). I won a master swan open by proxying in 6 of my last 7 wins against multiple races by either doing the spine/ling all in or the ravager version. The former version is better if there isn't a ramp to go up, whereas the latter did better going up ramps, but Battery overcharge really did a number of the build. Protoss went from being unable to deal with it if your first two spines successfully popped, to just spamming batteries and holding it with ease.
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