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#5: INnoVation - Greatest Players of All Time - Page 14

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Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
February 17 2024 11:20 GMT
#261
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1908 Posts
February 17 2024 12:05 GMT
#262
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil271 Posts
February 18 2024 20:20 GMT
#263
On February 17 2024 21:05 Mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.


Yea.. leaving Mvp or Dark is hard
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil271 Posts
February 18 2024 20:20 GMT
#264
Wheres #4 please?

The past few nights i couldnt even sleep straight cus of the waiting. hlpme
FFXthebest
Profile Joined February 2024
75 Posts
February 19 2024 00:32 GMT
#265
On February 19 2024 05:20 Locutos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2024 21:05 Mizenhauer wrote:
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.


Yea.. leaving Mvp or Dark is hard


MC and Nestea > MvP. ( ya I said it)

Those 2 won almost as much as mvp during WOL when terran was clearly the stronger race and most of the maps were terran favoured
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 19 2024 00:35 GMT
#266
On February 19 2024 09:32 FFXthebest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2024 05:20 Locutos wrote:
On February 17 2024 21:05 Mizenhauer wrote:
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.


Yea.. leaving Mvp or Dark is hard


MC and Nestea > MvP. ( ya I said it)

Those 2 won almost as much as mvp during WOL when terran was clearly the stronger race and most of the maps were terran favoured

Nope, not having it :p
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
February 19 2024 00:58 GMT
#267
On February 19 2024 09:32 FFXthebest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2024 05:20 Locutos wrote:
On February 17 2024 21:05 Mizenhauer wrote:
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.


Yea.. leaving Mvp or Dark is hard


MC and Nestea > MvP. ( ya I said it)

Those 2 won almost as much as mvp during WOL when terran was clearly the stronger race and most of the maps were terran favoured

That's not true at all. They almost won as much as Mvp...in GSL. In 2011. They don't have a fraction of Mvp's international results, and never did as well in GSL in 2012. MC made the finals but got swept, whereas Mvp made two finals and won one, and made it to G7 in the one he lost.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-19 01:38:56
February 19 2024 01:38 GMT
#268
On February 19 2024 05:20 Locutos wrote:
Wheres #4 please?

The past few nights i couldnt even sleep straight cus of the waiting. hlpme


I took off from work this whole week so I could spend as much time commenting on #4 as possible

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this is a joke but the passion is real
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
February 19 2024 02:16 GMT
#269
What if Miz just ghosts us, leaves it at #5, knowing they forked up by leaving Rogue, Dark, Mvp, Maru, and Serral with only 4 left.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7030 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-19 10:02:02
February 19 2024 10:01 GMT
#270
Where is part #4 ?
Can't stand the suspension anymore
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil271 Posts
February 19 2024 11:03 GMT
#271
On February 19 2024 11:16 Blargh wrote:
What if Miz just ghosts us, leaves it at #5, knowing they forked up by leaving Rogue, Dark, Mvp, Maru, and Serral with only 4 left.


THAT would be twist. Not even George R.R. Martin would've done that
youaremysin
Profile Joined August 2015
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-19 12:43:22
February 19 2024 12:42 GMT
#272
oh
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1908 Posts
February 19 2024 15:05 GMT
#273
(Wiki)soon
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
February 19 2024 15:27 GMT
#274
On February 19 2024 11:16 Blargh wrote:
What if Miz just ghosts us, leaves it at #5, knowing they forked up by leaving Rogue, Dark, Mvp, Maru, and Serral with only 4 left.

What if Miz just adds an extra rank called GOAT? Then there'll be space! Also, think of all the drama. It'd be glorious.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 19 2024 18:49 GMT
#275
The real GOAT is the friends we made along the way
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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