EPTHoping for Showtime to shake things up a bit, he really has some awefull luck with draws.
Also, I don't want to scare anyone, but the no-toss playoffs are quite possible.
IEM Katowice 2024 - RO24 groups announced - Page 2
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
Hoping for Showtime to shake things up a bit, he really has some awefull luck with draws. Also, I don't want to scare anyone, but the no-toss playoffs are quite possible. | ||
Waxangel
United States33712 Posts
On January 18 2024 06:30 argonautdice wrote: This is the highest non-World championship prize pool tournament in the history of SC2 due to changes to the ESL circuit structure. "World championship" is a completely arbitrary distinction anyway. Plenty of tournaments that call themselves "world championships" or "world cups" or whatever but don't get treated as such (ESWC, GSL world/global championship, many of the IEM world championships in the past). This Katowice will be a "world championship" as far as fans and history is concerned. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1381 Posts
On January 18 2024 10:53 Waxangel wrote: "World championship" is a completely arbitrary distinction anyway. Plenty of tournaments that call themselves "world championships" or "world cups" or whatever but don't get treated as such (ESWC, GSL world/global championship, many of the IEM world championships in the past). This Katowice will be a "world championship" as far as fans and history is concerned. It depends what the term is supposed to mean. For me (and as I applied it in my HoF back then) the "World Championship" is the final event of the 'Year'/Circuit, the culmination of everything. Katowice is clearly not that, so I personally don't count it as a "World Championship". Still the second highest rated tournament of course, but not quite on the same level as the EPT Championship, whatever it will be in the end. | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
On January 18 2024 12:55 Balnazza wrote: It depends what the term is supposed to mean. For me (and as I applied it in my HoF back then) the "World Championship" is the final event of the 'Year'/Circuit, the culmination of everything. Katowice is clearly not that, so I personally don't count it as a "World Championship". Still the second highest rated tournament of course, but not quite on the same level as the EPT Championship, whatever it will be in the end. So IEM only counted as World Championship-tier when it was announced as such during the EPT run, but it doesnt before and after that run? Meanwhile the prizepool and format of the tournament staying pretty much the same the whole time? | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1381 Posts
On January 18 2024 14:11 tigera6 wrote: So IEM only counted as World Championship-tier when it was announced as such during the EPT run, but it doesnt before and after that run? Meanwhile the prizepool and format of the tournament staying pretty much the same the whole time? Yes. That is atleast how I always thought about it. Doesn't mean Katowice is "just another tournament", it has its own flair and as I said, it probably is always the 2nd most important tournament of the year. But most iterations, including the next one, are just not "THE" World Championship. But again, when I did this a while back I catched huge flak for that kind of distinction, so I'm probably in the minority on that. (It also immediately turned into "you just don't count them so Rogue is not on top!!1", which was kind of funny, though completly wrong) | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
On January 18 2024 15:30 Balnazza wrote: Yes. That is atleast how I always thought about it. Doesn't mean Katowice is "just another tournament", it has its own flair and as I said, it probably is always the 2nd most important tournament of the year. But most iterations, including the next one, are just not "THE" World Championship. But again, when I did this a while back I catched huge flak for that kind of distinction, so I'm probably in the minority on that. (It also immediately turned into "you just don't count them so Rogue is not on top!!1", which was kind of funny, though completly wrong) Ultimately for me, the status of the event is what ESL ultimately decides when it starts, not how viewers/users personally feel about it. Whether it changed from when it was initially announced is not relevant there. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
Pleasantly surprised to see Stats in the mixup given he hasn’t really got going since returning, hopefully he can pull something out of the bag! | ||
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watchlulu
Germany475 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
On January 18 2024 12:55 Balnazza wrote: It depends what the term is supposed to mean. For me (and as I applied it in my HoF back then) the "World Championship" is the final event of the 'Year'/Circuit, the culmination of everything. Katowice is clearly not that, so I personally don't count it as a "World Championship". Still the second highest rated tournament of course, but not quite on the same level as the EPT Championship, whatever it will be in the end. I mean both this Katowice and the "real" World Championship are Saudi money now that ESL is owned by it anyways, right?  For me it will still be a World Championship the same way there were two World Championships when BlizzCon was still on: Katowice early in the year, and BlizzCon at the end of the year. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2224 Posts
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Haighstrom
United Kingdom216 Posts
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conormcgregor156
22 Posts
On January 18 2024 19:33 Haighstrom wrote: How did Stats get more points than Classic? That is insane to me To play this tournament, regional qualifiers were made. I suppose that the points will be taken into account in the other World Cup that will be played in a few months. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1381 Posts
On January 18 2024 19:33 Haighstrom wrote: How did Stats get more points than Classic? That is insane to me The EPT standing was just used for seeding, players had to qualify for this event. And Classic managed to bump out in three qualifiers somehow. But it is funny how every qualified player is in the Top 30 and then there is Stats just chilling out | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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Durnuu
13326 Posts
On January 19 2024 16:56 Argonauta wrote: Why does winning ESL Summer Europe is 1000 EPT points and winning a GSL is 800? I assume it's because there are only 2 tournaments (Winter / Summer), vs 3 GSLs. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On January 19 2024 17:04 Durnuu wrote: I assume it's because there are only 2 tournaments (Winter / Summer), vs 3 GSLs. if that was the case then winning Americas or Asia would also be 1000 | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7439 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7439 Posts
On January 18 2024 07:19 yezzir88 wrote: Serral gets another hilariously easy group (for him). What a surprise. Call me when he gets into a group like group D (where he would most likely not make it out) lol nice bait To the World Championship discussion: We dont't know anything about this summer tournament in Riyadh yet. Gamers8 '23 was invite only and definitely did not count as a WC title. It was more like the WESG tournaments. So for me this IEM Kato '24 will crown the WC of the year 2023 (since that is the year the points accumulate). What happens next remains to be seen. | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
On January 19 2024 17:07 Argonauta wrote: if that was the case then winning Americas or Asia would also be 1000 How regions are viewed inside the EPT circuit also play a factor into it. Look at how Astrea dominates the NA region, and he still barely has more points than a MaxPax who skips offline (but catches up because of the open cups) In any case unequal point distribution has been the case since 2020. | ||
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