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On November 01 2023 14:33 Philippe wrote:
Cloud 9 can finance a whole CS team and else, so funding a SC2 player is peanuts in comparaison. Gotta see in the near future
But it begs the question why existing SC2 teams did not ...
Well, he left Psistorm because they couldn't afford his salary anymore (or rather couldn't "pay him the salary he deserves" in their own words), so I guess no one wanted or could pay that kind of money?
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On November 01 2023 18:17 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:https://cloud9.gg/players/pyungjae-koh/"Pyungjae “GuMiho” Koh is a professional StarCraft II Terran player from South Korea. He has an impressive record of achievements including a 1st place finish in 2017 Global StarCraft II League Season 2: Code S and a 2nd place finish in ESL SC2 Masters 2023 Summer. To date, GuMiho is the only player to achieve an all-kill in the Global StarCraft II Team League Finals when he completed a sweep of SlayerS-EG. GuMiho is most known for his innovative and meta breaking Terran builds and is committed to always pushing the limits of Terran and himself to win. Yeah, I don't see anyone breaking that record anytime soon. 
The only tournament that we can compare with is the playoff of WTL but it is different mainly because of online setups. So, it is definitely a legit argument.
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is this because of a new gamers8 format? otherwise why would c9 enter sc2 in 2023
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On November 01 2023 18:55 Caprasa wrote:
Is Cloud9 still relevant?
For sure. They have a franchise in valorant. That was actually recently marred by cost cutting headlines so surprising to see them enter a new realm lol.
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On November 01 2023 12:08 lestye wrote:
Huh. I wonder if this pickup is because they find SC2 cost-efficent or if there's rumblings of new stuff on the horizon. Probably the former.... hopefully the latter.
Anyway grats Gumiho and C9!
C9 knows that's SC3 is being announced this weekend at blizzcon.
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Mexico2170 Posts
Cloud 9....that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Interesting that they decided to pick a sc2 player
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Like everyone else, I'm happily confused.
My best guess:
1. Profit in SC2 is small, but investment is tiny.
2. Saudi esports world cup.
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On November 01 2023 23:26 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2023 14:33 Philippe wrote:
Cloud 9 can finance a whole CS team and else, so funding a SC2 player is peanuts in comparaison. Gotta see in the near future
But it begs the question why existing SC2 teams did not ... Well, he left Psistorm because they couldn't afford his salary anymore (or rather couldn't "pay him the salary he deserves" in their own words), so I guess no one wanted or could pay that kind of money?
NO.
We gave him raises. He asked for another shortly after a raise but it was too high we couldn't afford it. So he decided not to continue.
He bet on himself as I mentioned, and it took months but he presumably got what he wanted. I've always said he deserved it and support him if you check my tweets.
Best to him and C9, and this is great news for GuMiho and SC2 in general.
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Mods why'd you change my title from Gumiho joins Cloud9 to Cloud9 signs Gumiho that's such a weird subtle change to make I hate the word 'signs' when referring to esport pickups I would never title my post that
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Extremely exciting news but it definitely begs the question...why now?
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On November 02 2023 07:05 Freeedom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2023 23:26 Balnazza wrote:On November 01 2023 14:33 Philippe wrote:
Cloud 9 can finance a whole CS team and else, so funding a SC2 player is peanuts in comparaison. Gotta see in the near future
But it begs the question why existing SC2 teams did not ... Well, he left Psistorm because they couldn't afford his salary anymore (or rather couldn't "pay him the salary he deserves" in their own words), so I guess no one wanted or could pay that kind of money? NO. We gave him raises. He asked for another shortly after a raise but it was too high we couldn't afford it. So he decided not to continue. He bet on himself as I mentioned, and it took months but he presumably got what he wanted. I've always said he deserved it and support him if you check my tweets. Best to him and C9, and this is great news for GuMiho and SC2 in general.
Sorry if my post came around like I was suggesting there was any beef between Psi and Gumiho. I just wanted to point out that you specifically (and in good-will) said that you couldn't afford his salary-wishes and I assumed that these were a big reason he wasn't picked up by anyone else.
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On November 02 2023 07:38 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2023 07:05 Freeedom wrote:On November 01 2023 23:26 Balnazza wrote:On November 01 2023 14:33 Philippe wrote:
Cloud 9 can finance a whole CS team and else, so funding a SC2 player is peanuts in comparaison. Gotta see in the near future
But it begs the question why existing SC2 teams did not ... Well, he left Psistorm because they couldn't afford his salary anymore (or rather couldn't "pay him the salary he deserves" in their own words), so I guess no one wanted or could pay that kind of money? NO. We gave him raises. He asked for another shortly after a raise but it was too high we couldn't afford it. So he decided not to continue. He bet on himself as I mentioned, and it took months but he presumably got what he wanted. I've always said he deserved it and support him if you check my tweets. Best to him and C9, and this is great news for GuMiho and SC2 in general. Sorry if my post came around like I was suggesting there was any beef between Psi and Gumiho. I just wanted to point out that you specifically (and in good-will) said that you couldn't afford his salary-wishes and I assumed that these were a big reason he wasn't picked up by anyone else.
All good. In the end it was best for everyone. Hopefully C9 forms a team for WTL.
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On November 01 2023 12:24 Luolis wrote:
Bit torn on this. On the other hand cool for Gumiho and C9. On the other, you just know its because of that Saudi tournament coming up next year.
Do you guys know something about a Gamers8 next year that I don't know about? Is there a link anywhere?
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On November 02 2023 14:46 Telephone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2023 12:24 Luolis wrote:
Bit torn on this. On the other hand cool for Gumiho and C9. On the other, you just know its because of that Saudi tournament coming up next year. Do you guys know something about a Gamers8 next year that I don't know about? Is there a link anywhere?
Nothing yet, but seems like they will announce a Esports League soon
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On November 02 2023 14:46 Telephone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2023 12:24 Luolis wrote:
Bit torn on this. On the other hand cool for Gumiho and C9. On the other, you just know its because of that Saudi tournament coming up next year. Do you guys know something about a Gamers8 next year that I don't know about? Is there a link anywhere?
There is not much concrete, but they way they teased it there is a possibility that it will be a cross-game tournament, so orgs will need a broad lineup to compete. And since RTS is listed as one of the genres they want to include, it makes sense to pick SC2
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great news!!! hope they keep on investing 
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United States33201 Posts
On November 02 2023 23:31 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2023 14:46 Telephone wrote:On November 01 2023 12:24 Luolis wrote:
Bit torn on this. On the other hand cool for Gumiho and C9. On the other, you just know its because of that Saudi tournament coming up next year. Do you guys know something about a Gamers8 next year that I don't know about? Is there a link anywhere? There is not much concrete, but they way they teased it there is a possibility that it will be a cross-game tournament, so orgs will need a broad lineup to compete. And since RTS is listed as one of the genres they want to include, it makes sense to pick SC2
They already had something like this in 2023, where there was a side prize pool (still in the millions) given to the teams/clubs with the best overall placement all across games. They're now shifting to make that overall team competition the main focus in 2024.
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C9 investing in RTS means they have an eye on StormGate release.
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On November 03 2023 11:58 XenOsky wrote:
C9 investing in RTS means they have an eye on StormGate release.
Stormgate will not be a competitive and balanced game by the time this world cup takes place.
If we go by Gamers8 this will be some time in summer 2024
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On November 03 2023 03:39 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2023 23:31 Balnazza wrote:On November 02 2023 14:46 Telephone wrote:On November 01 2023 12:24 Luolis wrote:
Bit torn on this. On the other hand cool for Gumiho and C9. On the other, you just know its because of that Saudi tournament coming up next year. Do you guys know something about a Gamers8 next year that I don't know about? Is there a link anywhere? There is not much concrete, but they way they teased it there is a possibility that it will be a cross-game tournament, so orgs will need a broad lineup to compete. And since RTS is listed as one of the genres they want to include, it makes sense to pick SC2 They already had something like this in 2023, where there was a side prize pool (still in the millions) given to the teams/clubs with the best overall placement all across games. They're now shifting to make that overall team competition the main focus in 2024.
Classic making Ro4 in Gamers8 net his team 400k or something, being 1st place team instead of 2nd place. So I wont be shocked if teams will start hiring SC2 players if they boost the prize next year for team award.
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