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2023/24 ESL Pro Tour: Prizes down, regions merged - Page 3

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IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
February 24 2023 17:13 GMT
#41
I was hoping for a bit less drastic cutbacks, but great news its still going!
People taking stuff like that too much for granted for a game this old.
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
February 24 2023 18:22 GMT
#42
people excited about stormgate are on hopium.

The fact is this:

Even if stormgate is great, it will never have the budget to fund big events
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Janosh
Profile Joined February 2023
4 Posts
February 24 2023 18:53 GMT
#43
Very happy about this! Was expecting way worse. GSL-level downsizing or nothing at all. New format and region makes sense and 660k+ is still good money. Thanks ESL!
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7258 Posts
February 27 2023 09:43 GMT
#44
On February 25 2023 03:22 [Phantom] wrote:
people excited about stormgate are on hopium.

The fact is this:

Even if stormgate is great, it will never have the budget to fund big events


Exactly. Even if this does come out big, the first big tournemts will have max price pools of maybe 50k. There is now way a small company like this can invest heavily into esport right from the getgo
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 27 2023 09:55 GMT
#45
On February 27 2023 18:43 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2023 03:22 [Phantom] wrote:
people excited about stormgate are on hopium.

The fact is this:

Even if stormgate is great, it will never have the budget to fund big events


Exactly. Even if this does come out big, the first big tournemts will have max price pools of maybe 50k. There is now way a small company like this can invest heavily into esport right from the getgo

they probably can't, but if they can find one/a few big sponsors, things might be different. if Stormgate can make some large company believe in its Esports potential, that might be enough.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
February 27 2023 20:04 GMT
#46
On February 24 2023 15:41 digmouse wrote:
This is the beginning of the end, isn't it.


It's hard to say to be honest. Korean scene is probably done, but it's been that way for some time, more or less since pros realised that ASL + streaming made BW a viable option again. Foreign scene maybe isn't quite so bad, given ESL hasn't cut things from a percentage standpoint quite so much as GSL + maybe not so many Koreans taking higher spots - on the assumption that they don't make prize money absurdly top heavy (as so many major tournaments have had a tendency to do in the past).

That said, I fail to see how ESL can possibly be breaking even on investment and would be able to retain the prize fund levels they have in the medium term, especially given how casual interest is basically zero at this stage. Checking on the SC thread in another forum I frequent, and while volumes are generally down, there's been barely a couple of hundred posts a year for half a decade now, and half of those are discussing ASL/BW. I personally can't recall the last time I watched an SC2 game - probably Neeb's Kespa Cup win. Maybe there's a greater propagation of community tournaments (hate the term, but for want of a better name for those not bankrolled by Blizzard) and players can at least maintain a side income from SC2, who knows, but I don't see how you ever get any significant new interest in the game again.
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ScarletAerie
Profile Joined May 2016
40 Posts
February 28 2023 01:52 GMT
#47
On February 28 2023 05:04 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2023 15:41 digmouse wrote:
This is the beginning of the end, isn't it.


That said, I fail to see how ESL can possibly be breaking even on investment and would be able to retain the prize fund levels they have in the medium term, especially given how casual interest is basically zero at this stage.


Given the state of esports and the economy currently, I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to plummet if not drop it entirely.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27029 Posts
February 28 2023 21:24 GMT
#48
On February 25 2023 03:22 [Phantom] wrote:
people excited about stormgate are on hopium.

The fact is this:

Even if stormgate is great, it will never have the budget to fund big events

It doesn’t have to be huge, just a bloody good game that’s relatively successful.

It doesn’t have to be hitting the heights Starcraft(s) have to carve out a big enough niche for folks who love competitive RTS. Although people are I think giving into hype more in desperation than hope.

As for these changes, not as bad as expected. Actually think some of the region merges are something that could have been done a while ago.
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