• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:12
CET 04:12
KST 12:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1818Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises2Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
I would like to say something about StarCraft A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ (UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/ What monitor do you use for playing Remastered?
Tourneys
[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI 12 Days of Starcraft
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 953 users

Lilbow returns to SC2 joins Archangel Gaming - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
91 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 12 2021 12:01 GMT
#41
On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote:
Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like


Hilarious. If any vaguely known korean would have returned you'd be ecstatic...

Welcome back, Lilbow!

User was warned for this post
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 12 2021 12:12 GMT
#42
On January 12 2021 21:01 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote:
Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like


Hilarious. If any vaguely known korean would have returned you'd be ecstatic...

Welcome back, Lilbow!

I love how certain people know me better than I do myself... stop commenting on me finally, epsecially when you're trying to read my mind and you fail at it.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
January 12 2021 12:17 GMT
#43
Return of the king.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
January 12 2021 12:36 GMT
#44
On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote:
For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this?

Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon.

People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes.
It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance.

Blink era was over in early 2014 already.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 12 2021 13:19 GMT
#45
On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote:
For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this?


Someone that was "good" because of region lock and that everybody suck on like he was going to be the next great foreigner but had absolutly no chance of beating Koreans.

He won one WCS and placed a few time second i believe
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 12 2021 15:02 GMT
#46
On January 12 2021 21:12 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2021 21:01 Xain0n wrote:
On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote:
Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like


Hilarious. If any vaguely known korean would have returned you'd be ecstatic...

Welcome back, Lilbow!

I love how certain people know me better than I do myself... stop commenting on me finally, epsecially when you're trying to read my mind and you fail at it.


I know very few of you, I know extremely well how you post on Tl.net.

On January 12 2021 08:44 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote:
Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like

He was playing Overwatch at semi-pro or pro level afaik!
I don’t know why he is returning though, but I saw him tweet about his streams recently so I am not totally surprised by the news.
Maybe he thinks OW future is worse for him than sc2?


I asked him on Twitch and he replied that he desired to stream and that he thought Sc2 was the most logical choice.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12377 Posts
January 12 2021 15:30 GMT
#47
Lilbow is hard because he was kind of monobuild and probably not as good as his results, but he also got shit on way more than he deserved. So like, whatever you think, you were both correct and wrong about him. Heh.
No will to live, no wish to die
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
January 12 2021 15:36 GMT
#48
Imagine how dead Overwatch has to be for someone to switch to Starcraft 2. Ultimately glad to have him back but that's a pretty dark picture
1gragequit
Profile Joined June 2020
31 Posts
January 12 2021 15:52 GMT
#49
Well if he can't even be bothered to post a picture of himself with his new team's shirt on then it seems he has the same conscientiousness as always. Probably will amount to nothing like most of the other talented foreigners with the work ethic of a sponge.

User was warned for this post
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
January 12 2021 18:02 GMT
#50
Welcome back Lilbow, hope it's going to be more than streaming only.

On January 12 2021 19:42 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2021 19:24 Steelghost1 wrote:
I may be wrong but I never got the feeling that Lilbow would succeed in LOTV, his play was always centered around strong 2 base all ins and tricky builds such as going for insane amount of stalkers so he could hit very specific timings in the midgame. His macro never seemed great and it does not seem like you can go immortal sentry/collossus stalker max or just plain gateway all ins anymore.

Good luck to him. It would be very interesting to see how he adapts to such a different apm intensive game as LOTV.


Zest and his bank beg to differ ^^


The thing about Zest though is that he is masterful at macroing up until that point were he just banks resources while doing only micro.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
coogerdark
Profile Joined February 2015
1 Post
January 12 2021 18:08 GMT
#51
I hope he comes back in good form, but as far as lingering resentment toward him as he's coming back goes, it wasn't like he quietly left the SC2 scene for OW. As far as I recall, there were a fair amount of parting shots from him at SC2 as a game while he was heading out the door.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-12 19:19:05
January 12 2021 19:17 GMT
#52
On January 13 2021 03:08 coogerdark wrote:
I hope he comes back in good form, but as far as lingering resentment toward him as he's coming back goes, it wasn't like he quietly left the SC2 scene for OW. As far as I recall, there were a fair amount of parting shots from him at SC2 as a game while he was heading out the door.

OTOH it would be great to have a good Protoss winning something outside the Korea. And unless HuK or NaNiwa find their lost mojo and fully properly return(which is unlikely), Lilbow has the biggest chance. He was really good back then.

(OK, maybe Neeb can find his 2016 form again, which would be great)

Edit> Like c'mon, it happened 5 years ago, let it go. Also let Let It Go go!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
hyuu
Profile Joined August 2011
163 Posts
January 12 2021 19:37 GMT
#53
On January 12 2021 05:41 argonautdice wrote:
Does this mean SC3 is getting released soon?


couldn't help but to laugh out loud
jojomi
Profile Joined December 2020
10 Posts
January 12 2021 19:41 GMT
#54
He was gone?
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain881 Posts
January 12 2021 23:24 GMT
#55
Has he had any success in OW?
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States880 Posts
January 13 2021 00:51 GMT
#56
Never gonna complain about more entries in the competitive pro scene. I hope he returns to form and shows us some good games. GLHF Lilbow!
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
vik7
Profile Joined May 2009
United States227 Posts
January 13 2021 03:29 GMT
#57
On January 13 2021 08:24 Xamo wrote:
Has he had any success in OW?

not that I know of, he's on no Overwatch league teams.
NA player, go KT Flash, ST Life( ;( ) , IMMvp, EGJD, CMStorm Polt, SKT Rain, KT Zest, Bisu, RootherO, Stats and teamliqiud
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7021 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-13 07:16:45
January 13 2021 07:13 GMT
#58
On January 13 2021 04:17 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2021 03:08 coogerdark wrote:
I hope he comes back in good form, but as far as lingering resentment toward him as he's coming back goes, it wasn't like he quietly left the SC2 scene for OW. As far as I recall, there were a fair amount of parting shots from him at SC2 as a game while he was heading out the door.

OTOH it would be great to have a good Protoss winning something outside the Korea. And unless HuK or NaNiwa find their lost mojo and fully properly return(which is unlikely), Lilbow has the biggest chance. He was really good back then.

(OK, maybe Neeb can find his 2016 form again, which would be great)

Edit> Like c'mon, it happened 5 years ago, let it go. Also let Let It Go go!


You forgot a Protoss! I give you a tip:

a vertical structure, often made of stone or brick, that divides or surrounds something


On January 12 2021 22:19 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote:
For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this?


Someone that was "good" because of region lock and that everybody suck on like he was going to be the next great foreigner but had absolutly no chance of beating Koreans.

He won one WCS and placed a few time second i believe


Dude that is harsh! He won quite a few matches vs Korean opposition like JD, TY, ForGG, Rain, ...
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
HuuYiko
Profile Joined January 2021
3 Posts
January 13 2021 07:56 GMT
#59
On January 13 2021 08:24 Xamo wrote:
Has he had any success in OW?


I haven't seen him in any semi-pro or pro game since 2017.
I don't think he ever tried to get into a non mediocre OW level
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4958 Posts
January 13 2021 08:12 GMT
#60
SC3 confirmed
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 48m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 208
ProTech157
Ketroc 63
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20935
Artosis 692
Shuttle 119
910 74
ggaemo 52
Noble 27
ZergMaN 13
Bale 5
Dota 2
XaKoH 559
NeuroSwarm74
monkeys_forever17
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 765
C9.Mang0225
Counter-Strike
summit1g7107
m0e_tv343
minikerr32
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor125
Other Games
ViBE160
Sick88
amsayoshi33
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV0
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 111
• Adnapsc2 12
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 32
• RayReign 2
• Pr0nogo 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota23096
League of Legends
• Doublelift4798
• Stunt295
Other Games
• imaqtpie2611
• Scarra1887
Upcoming Events
OSC
9h 48m
Korean StarCraft League
23h 48m
OSC
1d 8h
IPSL
1d 10h
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
1d 14h
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Patches Events
3 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-Race Season 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S1: W2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.