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TSL4 - The Retrospective - Page 3

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DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
May 13 2020 05:43 GMT
#41
On May 13 2020 12:04 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2020 08:15 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On May 13 2020 08:09 Cricketer12 wrote:
On May 13 2020 08:01 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 13 2020 06:32 Zealously wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:54 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:42 Bagration wrote:
God, that was a long time ago, the "patch-zerg" era.

Still believe that Sniper and RoRo were the biggest patch-zergs - those dudes patched themselves a GSL title apiece

I have to jump into the breach for RorO here. He may have won his GSL during that era, but he was a genuinely good player imo. I don't think putting him into the Patchzerg category does him justice.


This opinion is incorrect

Roro was a legitimate BW zerg player before the switch. I think being extremely good at both RTSs puts you outside the patch label. You can still say the patch heavily influenced his peak success, but it was not the only reason he was great at SC2.

RorO just gets hated on cuz he was good

I'll take roro's gsl win a million times over sniper's, I'm still a little pissed on behalf of ryung

poor ryung

Ryung deserved what he got for dying to WoL Ultralisks while complaining about balance!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-13 07:24:05
May 13 2020 07:20 GMT
#42
On May 13 2020 06:32 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2020 05:54 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:42 Bagration wrote:
God, that was a long time ago, the "patch-zerg" era.

Still believe that Sniper and RoRo were the biggest patch-zergs - those dudes patched themselves a GSL title apiece

I have to jump into the breach for RorO here. He may have won his GSL during that era, but he was a genuinely good player imo. I don't think putting him into the Patchzerg category does him justice.


This opinion is incorrect

Your face is incorrect...


RorO was ana amzing player that was unfortunate to be judged by the fact that BL/inf netted him a GSL win, a feat that he could not quite repeat, so people just called him a patchzerg and called it a day when the guy was busy carrying his dead weight of a team in Proleague.


Calling RorO a patchzerg is like a litmus test for "once-in-2-months-I-watch-GSL" Starcraft fans

Only need this guy now who called Life better than RorO when the latter was winning GSL and the former beating GSL drop outs in Iron Squid

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 13 2020 07:36 GMT
#43
On May 13 2020 08:01 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2020 06:32 Zealously wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:54 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:42 Bagration wrote:
God, that was a long time ago, the "patch-zerg" era.

Still believe that Sniper and RoRo were the biggest patch-zergs - those dudes patched themselves a GSL title apiece

I have to jump into the breach for RorO here. He may have won his GSL during that era, but he was a genuinely good player imo. I don't think putting him into the Patchzerg category does him justice.


This opinion is incorrect

Roro was a legitimate BW zerg player before the switch. I think being extremely good at both RTSs puts you outside the patch label. You can still say the patch heavily influenced his peak success, but it was not the only reason he was great at SC2.


Roro was never great in any sense of the word
AdministratorBreak the chains
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
May 13 2020 07:40 GMT
#44
On May 13 2020 16:36 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2020 08:01 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 13 2020 06:32 Zealously wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:54 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:42 Bagration wrote:
God, that was a long time ago, the "patch-zerg" era.

Still believe that Sniper and RoRo were the biggest patch-zergs - those dudes patched themselves a GSL title apiece

I have to jump into the breach for RorO here. He may have won his GSL during that era, but he was a genuinely good player imo. I don't think putting him into the Patchzerg category does him justice.


This opinion is incorrect

Roro was a legitimate BW zerg player before the switch. I think being extremely good at both RTSs puts you outside the patch label. You can still say the patch heavily influenced his peak success, but it was not the only reason he was great at SC2.


Roro was never great in any sense of the word


great at putting Bisu's fans in tears.

good enough for me.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 13 2020 07:42 GMT
#45
On May 13 2020 16:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2020 16:36 Zealously wrote:
On May 13 2020 08:01 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 13 2020 06:32 Zealously wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:54 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:42 Bagration wrote:
God, that was a long time ago, the "patch-zerg" era.

Still believe that Sniper and RoRo were the biggest patch-zergs - those dudes patched themselves a GSL title apiece

I have to jump into the breach for RorO here. He may have won his GSL during that era, but he was a genuinely good player imo. I don't think putting him into the Patchzerg category does him justice.


This opinion is incorrect

Roro was a legitimate BW zerg player before the switch. I think being extremely good at both RTSs puts you outside the patch label. You can still say the patch heavily influenced his peak success, but it was not the only reason he was great at SC2.


Roro was never great in any sense of the word


great at putting Bisu's fans in tears.

good enough for me.


Good point actually I think I might come around to appreciating some of his contributions after all
AdministratorBreak the chains
yoigen
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany369 Posts
May 13 2020 08:08 GMT
#46
the best part about tsl4 was the story of the peoples champion mycerion nearly qualifying for the main event...
Today I didn't even have to use my AK, I gotta say it was a good day.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7021 Posts
May 13 2020 08:25 GMT
#47
young Serral and Baby Maru so cute <3
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2216 Posts
May 13 2020 09:31 GMT
#48
Amazing, thank you.
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
May 13 2020 09:36 GMT
#49
I remember watching that elfi vs Life series and being upset at the proud finnish cheeselord not being able to finish off yet another korean zerg. It's funny to think what became of that zerg, and how close elfi got to eliminating him on ro32 in maybe his breakout tournament.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Nopeudon
Profile Joined March 2012
172 Posts
May 13 2020 12:08 GMT
#50
Dang tiny Maru is so cute
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
May 13 2020 13:43 GMT
#51
Man I remember going through every single PvZ in the Korean qualifiers to do the replay pack for our giant PvZ guide with monk. That was what led me to becoming a TL staff member.

Also, do the other TSLs too pls! We need more nostalgia!
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
May 13 2020 14:16 GMT
#52
Great article! Looking forward to the next installment.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom428 Posts
May 13 2020 14:34 GMT
#53
On May 13 2020 17:08 yoigen wrote:
the best part about tsl4 was the story of the peoples champion mycerion nearly qualifying for the main event...


this is true tbh. main tournament wasnt as exciting as tsl3
Mvp #1
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
May 13 2020 14:49 GMT
#54
Seeing the results of johnnyrecco in this tournament makes me so tilted still haha. What a plague sc2 became at that period... Partly explains why I almost didn't play for all of HotS, after seeing / playing the end of WoL.

Cute young Maru and Creator prevents me from puking though.
ThorZain storyline in TSL3 saved the tournament from the korean lagging hard joke that it was for so many rounds, but I didn't really remember TSL4.

Hope Clem will prevail in TSL5 tho.
WriterMaru
Falckon
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway30 Posts
May 13 2020 19:41 GMT
#55
Great trip down memory lane! (thanks for including Raynors age... i feel old)
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 13 2020 20:03 GMT
#56
So Life 4-0 Creator in finals if he acutally played? LUL
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
May 14 2020 07:29 GMT
#57
Oh nice retro. Totally forgot about TSL4 and thought TSL3 was TSL4 for some reason. For a moment when I was looking at the bracket and was like where's SlayerS_BoXeR. Haha. Good stuff.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
May 14 2020 08:24 GMT
#58
On May 13 2020 05:03 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
And yet, after all that, Creator is not the most tragic finalist from TSL4.


Trans Rights
Vendethiel
Profile Joined February 2017
213 Posts
May 14 2020 16:35 GMT
#59
HyuN: Retired.
That's a bit unfair, he went back to play BW for a long while. Unsure if he still is active.
Maru <3
StalkyBear
Profile Joined October 2019
55 Posts
May 15 2020 02:28 GMT
#60
On May 13 2020 16:20 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2020 06:32 Zealously wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:54 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On May 13 2020 05:42 Bagration wrote:
God, that was a long time ago, the "patch-zerg" era.

Still believe that Sniper and RoRo were the biggest patch-zergs - those dudes patched themselves a GSL title apiece

I have to jump into the breach for RorO here. He may have won his GSL during that era, but he was a genuinely good player imo. I don't think putting him into the Patchzerg category does him justice.


This opinion is incorrect

Your face is incorrect...


RorO was ana amzing player that was unfortunate to be judged by the fact that BL/inf netted him a GSL win, a feat that he could not quite repeat, so people just called him a patchzerg and called it a day when the guy was busy carrying his dead weight of a team in Proleague.


Calling RorO a patchzerg is like a litmus test for "once-in-2-months-I-watch-GSL" Starcraft fans

Only need this guy now who called Life better than RorO when the latter was winning GSL and the former beating GSL drop outs in Iron Squid


I have a friend exactly like that: every few months hell watch the gsl finals and lamely post in r/starcraft occasionally to act like he still gives a shit but he doesnt. if he wants to miss seeing the best games cause "only the finals are worth watching" than hes too dumb to deserve seeing them.
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