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On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:Show nested quote +
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too
I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20.
Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good.
Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise.
Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that.
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On November 28 2019 18:47 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20. Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good. Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise. Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that.
I agree. I am starting to believe that the number 1 and number 2 players in the world are Serral and Reynor. No Korean is a skilled as Serral and few, if any, are on Reynors level.
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On November 29 2019 01:00 MockHamill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2019 18:47 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20. Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good. Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise. Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that. I agree. I am starting to believe that the number 1 and number 2 players in the world are Serral and Reynor. No Korean is a skilled as Serral and few, if any, are on Reynors level.
If it was relevant at WESG that Serral was sick I believe its worth to mention that with one eye swollen and infected, it should at least be mentioned that INnoVation wasn't on top health-wise.
-Naruto
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On November 29 2019 05:58 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2019 01:00 MockHamill wrote:On November 28 2019 18:47 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20. Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good. Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise. Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that. I agree. I am starting to believe that the number 1 and number 2 players in the world are Serral and Reynor. No Korean is a skilled as Serral and few, if any, are on Reynors level. If it was relevant at WESG that Serral was sick I believe its worth to mention that with one eye swollen and infected, it should at least be mentioned that INnoVation wasn't on top health-wise. -Naruto
Nonsense. Terrans are essentially space pirates anyway.
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Great tournament indeed  GGs and thanks a lot for all the work everyone!
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On November 25 2019 16:23 MockHamill wrote:
It was a fantastic tournament, much better than Blizzcon. Tournaments should never try to do everything in a single day.
Also Special may be the best commentator in the game, apart from being the best foreigner Terran.
Special definitely best commentator for Terran balance whiners.
co-caster: what zerg unit is good?
special: all of them
co-caster: what zerg unit is weak?
special: none of them
co-caster: what terran unit is strong?
special: none of them
co-caster: what terran unit is weak?
special: all of them
XD
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On December 03 2019 19:35 StalkyBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2019 16:23 MockHamill wrote:
It was a fantastic tournament, much better than Blizzcon. Tournaments should never try to do everything in a single day.
Also Special may be the best commentator in the game, apart from being the best foreigner Terran. Special definitely best commentator for Terran balance whiners. co-caster: what zerg unit is good? special: all of them co-caster: what zerg unit is weak? special: none of them co-caster: what terran unit is strong? special: none of them co-caster: what terran unit is weak? special: all of them XD
Yes he has a perfect understanding of the game which makes him an even better commentator.
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On December 03 2019 19:53 MockHamill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2019 19:35 StalkyBear wrote:On November 25 2019 16:23 MockHamill wrote:
It was a fantastic tournament, much better than Blizzcon. Tournaments should never try to do everything in a single day.
Also Special may be the best commentator in the game, apart from being the best foreigner Terran. Special definitely best commentator for Terran balance whiners. co-caster: what zerg unit is good? special: all of them co-caster: what zerg unit is weak? special: none of them co-caster: what terran unit is strong? special: none of them co-caster: what terran unit is weak? special: all of them XD Yes he has a perfect understanding of the game which makes him an even better commentator.
How he commented the Inno vs Serral game where Inno went 3base all in was great! It was awesome to have a guy who knew so much about what goes on in preparation for specific builds.
Also Papi BC❤️
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 03 2019 20:04 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2019 19:53 MockHamill wrote:On December 03 2019 19:35 StalkyBear wrote:On November 25 2019 16:23 MockHamill wrote:
It was a fantastic tournament, much better than Blizzcon. Tournaments should never try to do everything in a single day.
Also Special may be the best commentator in the game, apart from being the best foreigner Terran. Special definitely best commentator for Terran balance whiners. co-caster: what zerg unit is good? special: all of them co-caster: what zerg unit is weak? special: none of them co-caster: what terran unit is strong? special: none of them co-caster: what terran unit is weak? special: all of them XD Yes he has a perfect understanding of the game which makes him an even better commentator. How he commented the Inno vs Serral game where Inno went 3base all in was great! It was awesome to have a guy who knew so much about what goes on in preparation for specific builds. Also Papi BC❤️
I love when Special is breaking things down, great insight and at total odds with some of his almost cartoonish levels of balance whine other times.
Despite my hatred of BCs
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On November 29 2019 01:00 MockHamill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2019 18:47 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20. Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good. Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise. Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that. I agree. I am starting to believe that the number 1 and number 2 players in the world are Serral and Reynor. No Korean is a skilled as Serral and few, if any, are on Reynors level.
No disrespect to Reynor who has taken some huge strides this past year but Maru destroyed him at WESG and he got rolled by Dark at blizzcon. I still think hes a little behind Serral/Dark/Maru/Stats.
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On December 04 2019 00:25 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2019 01:00 MockHamill wrote:On November 28 2019 18:47 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20. Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good. Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise. Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that. I agree. I am starting to believe that the number 1 and number 2 players in the world are Serral and Reynor. No Korean is a skilled as Serral and few, if any, are on Reynors level. No disrespect to Reynor who has taken some huge strides this past year but Maru destroyed him at WESG and he got rolled by Dark at blizzcon. But i still think hes a little behind Serral/Dark/Maru/Stats.
HSC, the latest tournament, showed Reynor on a brand new level, especially when paired with korean players(3-0 Zest, 3-0 Inno); however, I wouldn't go as far as Mockhamill.
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On December 04 2019 00:27 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2019 00:25 Moonerz wrote:On November 29 2019 01:00 MockHamill wrote:On November 28 2019 18:47 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20. Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good. Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise. Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that. I agree. I am starting to believe that the number 1 and number 2 players in the world are Serral and Reynor. No Korean is a skilled as Serral and few, if any, are on Reynors level. No disrespect to Reynor who has taken some huge strides this past year but Maru destroyed him at WESG and he got rolled by Dark at blizzcon. But i still think hes a little behind Serral/Dark/Maru/Stats. HSC, the latest tournament, showed Reynor on a brand new level, especially when paired with korean players(3-0 Zest, 3-0 Inno); however, I wouldn't go as far as Mockhamill.
Thats true but its a new patch so I dont read too much into those results especially when a lot of players admitted to not practicing too much on it.
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Serral and Reynor will be seeing each other again in Nation Wars in 5 days. Tune in for the rematch.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 04 2019 00:25 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2019 01:00 MockHamill wrote:On November 28 2019 18:47 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20. Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good. Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise. Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that. I agree. I am starting to believe that the number 1 and number 2 players in the world are Serral and Reynor. No Korean is a skilled as Serral and few, if any, are on Reynors level. No disrespect to Reynor who has taken some huge strides this past year but Maru destroyed him at WESG and he got rolled by Dark at blizzcon. I still think hes a little behind Serral/Dark/Maru/Stats.
Stats really hasn’t done a huge amount for quite a while now. Maru too if we’re being honest. Didn’t really do much in the Super Tournaments, or GSL vs the World and got stomped at Blizzcon. Which sure it’s Dark, and that’s a tough draw but he dropped a series to TIME too.
Dark for sure is above/equal to the two main European Zergs
Serral is crazy consistent and always is. Reynor seems to have stepped up to another level in terms of not just going toe to toe with Serral but in beating good Koreans consistently in the last few months
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On December 04 2019 04:37 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2019 00:25 Moonerz wrote:On November 29 2019 01:00 MockHamill wrote:On November 28 2019 18:47 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20. Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good. Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise. Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that. I agree. I am starting to believe that the number 1 and number 2 players in the world are Serral and Reynor. No Korean is a skilled as Serral and few, if any, are on Reynors level. No disrespect to Reynor who has taken some huge strides this past year but Maru destroyed him at WESG and he got rolled by Dark at blizzcon. I still think hes a little behind Serral/Dark/Maru/Stats. Stats really hasn’t done a huge amount for quite a while now. Maru too if we’re being honest. Didn’t really do much in the Super Tournaments, or GSL vs the World and got stomped at Blizzcon. Which sure it’s Dark, and that’s a tough draw but he dropped a series to TIME too. Dark for sure is above/equal to the two main European Zergs Serral is crazy consistent and always is. Reynor seems to have stepped up to another level in terms of not just going toe to toe with Serral but in beating good Koreans consistently in the last few months
I agree Stats didn't do so hot last year. I think quite a bit of it was the fact that Protoss late game was not on the same level as zerg, whats the point of being the shield of aiur if lategame P was weak overall. Same with Maru terrans performed poorly all year, he won a GSL + WESG but not much else of note, but he did thrash Reynor which is why imo its premature to put Reynor on that same level right now
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On December 04 2019 05:33 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2019 04:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 04 2019 00:25 Moonerz wrote:On November 29 2019 01:00 MockHamill wrote:On November 28 2019 18:47 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 28 2019 03:11 EESCLuna wrote:
Your comment exemplifies the dunning kruger effect pretty much perfectly. Zest took out solar 3-1 and soO 2-0; and Trap beat solar 2-0. So, you have a pretty funny definition of "almost everything." Inno was almost even with Serral in maps. But you're apparently overflowing with game knowledge though, so you at least have that going for ya.
Yeah, when you say Solar and soO are at the same level of serral and reynor it´s funny too I gues, that IS the point. Serral and Reynor are on a completly different level, than any one else, that was at HSC20. Serral is playing pretty much perfect and is more precise than anyone else and judges situations realy realy good. Reynor is faster than any one else and is forcing mistakes out of his opponents, they wouldn t do otherwise. Just Dark, Maru, Classic and Rogue on a good day can keep up with that. I agree. I am starting to believe that the number 1 and number 2 players in the world are Serral and Reynor. No Korean is a skilled as Serral and few, if any, are on Reynors level. No disrespect to Reynor who has taken some huge strides this past year but Maru destroyed him at WESG and he got rolled by Dark at blizzcon. I still think hes a little behind Serral/Dark/Maru/Stats. Stats really hasn’t done a huge amount for quite a while now. Maru too if we’re being honest. Didn’t really do much in the Super Tournaments, or GSL vs the World and got stomped at Blizzcon. Which sure it’s Dark, and that’s a tough draw but he dropped a series to TIME too. Dark for sure is above/equal to the two main European Zergs Serral is crazy consistent and always is. Reynor seems to have stepped up to another level in terms of not just going toe to toe with Serral but in beating good Koreans consistently in the last few months I agree Stats didn't do so hot last year. I think quite a bit of it was the fact that Protoss late game was not on the same level as zerg, whats the point of being the shield of aiur if lategame P was weak overall. Same with Maru terrans performed poorly all year, he won a GSL + WESG but not much else of note, but he did thrash Reynor which is why imo its premature to put Reynor on that same level right now
What happened months ago should not be indicative of Reynor's current level; Dark's ZvZ would be worse than Elazer's if we judged by the same metric.
On a side note, how can Maru beating someone in TvZ mean that said player is necessarily worse? Isn't Maru a god who has the best TvZ in the world and his victory kind of expected? If Reynor is not that great because he lost to Maru, Maru isn't that great either.
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On December 04 2019 06:05 Xain0n wrote:
If Reynor is not that great because he lost to Reynor, Maru isn't that great either.
I think you may be right here.
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On December 04 2019 06:49 Majick wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2019 06:05 Xain0n wrote:
If Reynor is not that great because he lost to Reynor, Maru isn't that great either.
I think you may be right here.
I know, right? It's fixed now 
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