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Déjà Vu - Serral - Road to BlizzCon 2019 - Page 2

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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 24 2019 10:15 GMT
#21
That is the best Serral photo ever.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 24 2019 10:33 GMT
#22
Will be crazy if he wins another Blizzcon, however I have my doubts. Cheering for him though!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 24 2019 16:10 GMT
#23
The more it is talked about the more i have a gut feeling Serral might not even make it out of group.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
October 24 2019 18:33 GMT
#24
On October 25 2019 01:10 lolfail9001 wrote:
The more it is talked about the more i have a gut feeling Serral might not even make it out of group.

That's not a gut feeling, dude. It's a fact. It's true for every player.
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1196 Posts
October 24 2019 18:43 GMT
#25
Serral is the best bet to win the tournament, period. I really hope he does as well so the magic stays alive and the whole SC2 scene is far better for it.
starcraft2.fi
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 24 2019 18:46 GMT
#26
On October 25 2019 01:10 lolfail9001 wrote:
The more it is talked about the more i have a gut feeling Serral might not even make it out of group.

Sure, however he's been talked about for the whole year, and massively so. And yet he had quite the nice year.
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
October 24 2019 20:57 GMT
#27
On October 24 2019 14:43 Kitai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2019 14:21 Dave4 wrote:
This is it. I don't like having to keep defending the argument that Serral is in the GOAT argument; he already has unthinkable stats that really aren't paralleled by any other players in my opinion.

I think it he wins BlizzCon for a second year running, there really will be no doubt.


I think he's been the most impressive, consistent, and best player in the world for the better part of 2 years, but still a ways off from GOAT. Winning this tournament would help, but there's still players like Maru and INnoVation that have a much broader trophy list and who successfully completed in a wider variety of environments. In terms of GOAT discussion, Serral is at an extreme disadvantage because he blossomed during an era when he can't compete in proleague or other team leagues, and GSL is the last preparation-style tournament left.

Once again, that's not a knock on Serral's incredible skills, but we'll never know how well he would perform in certain situations whereas other players have earned their reputation as monsters of team leagues, prep-style tournaments, and/or weekenders. Serral hasn't had the opportunity to fail or succeed in anything other than weekenders ever since he went full time

You can equally argue that Serral has been this ridiculously dominant in spite of not having a team house or team/coach to help him prep like they did in the glory days (or JAGW still do). He has done it all on his own.
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
October 24 2019 20:58 GMT
#28
The fact that this article references two second place finishes in major tournaments a 'slump' speaks volumes. Classic is literally the only player who bettered Serral in the first part of the year.
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
October 24 2019 21:47 GMT
#29
Serral's interview by Finnish Broadcasting Corporation (YLE): https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-11035357

In Finnish.

Shortly: He has practiced mostly ZvP and ZvT, as he consider ZvZ his best match up.
Doesn't fear Group B as his intention is to win whole tournament, thus it doesn't matter when some particular opponent comes against him in a brackets, as everyone must be defeated anyway. Has been living normal life and practicing.

Noted. Good luck!

[image loading]
Courtesy of Jouko Tagger / YLE
Part-time Serralogist
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
October 24 2019 22:10 GMT
#30
On October 25 2019 03:43 Azhrak wrote:
Serral is the best bet to win the tournament, period. I really hope he does as well so the magic stays alive and the whole SC2 scene is far better for it.


Yes. ...and if he'll manage drop out somehow before Ro4, we all can be then assured that The God King simply learn from his mistakes and just switch next gear on.

Nobody should mix arrogance and self-confidence. Serral is the Prime example of the latter, so its very easy to agree with your sentiment.

You and me probably feel a lot less confident now than The God King himself, and there're probably many many people and fans that share our feelings of insecurity.

If Serral comes to the Blizzcon as an Elemental force he was last year, our petty worries are all for vain. If, if, if, if...
Part-time Serralogist
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
October 24 2019 22:41 GMT
#31
On October 25 2019 05:57 Dave4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2019 14:43 Kitai wrote:
On October 24 2019 14:21 Dave4 wrote:
This is it. I don't like having to keep defending the argument that Serral is in the GOAT argument; he already has unthinkable stats that really aren't paralleled by any other players in my opinion.

I think it he wins BlizzCon for a second year running, there really will be no doubt.


I think he's been the most impressive, consistent, and best player in the world for the better part of 2 years, but still a ways off from GOAT. Winning this tournament would help, but there's still players like Maru and INnoVation that have a much broader trophy list and who successfully completed in a wider variety of environments. In terms of GOAT discussion, Serral is at an extreme disadvantage because he blossomed during an era when he can't compete in proleague or other team leagues, and GSL is the last preparation-style tournament left.

Once again, that's not a knock on Serral's incredible skills, but we'll never know how well he would perform in certain situations whereas other players have earned their reputation as monsters of team leagues, prep-style tournaments, and/or weekenders. Serral hasn't had the opportunity to fail or succeed in anything other than weekenders ever since he went full time

You can equally argue that Serral has been this ridiculously dominant in spite of not having a team house or team/coach to help him prep like they did in the glory days (or JAGW still do). He has done it all on his own.


Ridiculously dominant, yes, but its 100% certain that he hasn't lacked adequate training community for years, already.

There is surely a kind of Dojo somewhere, and Serral is its Sempai, 12dan. Now it happens to be so that 8-10dan Masters and Apprentices started ask some real questions.

Even with all money, sponsors, culture, intangibles, fame, and destiny, I don't think that past era Korean "Team House" could be easily and straightforwardly transferred to Europe. Europe is multi-cultural, multi-linguistic, historical entity of far bigger geographical scale than South-Korea, with far more diverse cultural, sociological, economical, historical, ethnic, religious, philosophical, national, and personal isoglosses than Korean scene ever was, or ever can be.

By aforementioned facts, European model of "Team House" will always fail if the Korean example is uncritically transferred on these soils. Luckily, History doesn't repeat same things twice (Neither success nor failure), and if it does then the second attempt will be a farce, joke, parody (following famous quote of Karl Marx here).

Nothing, simply nothing of last two years' overall experience do indicate that the era of rise of Euro SC2 would be the farce, unless Blizzard Ltd. (or whatever) will Fuck it by themselves. In that case its however The Global issue, not European born problem.

The Sempai simply directed and dictated the road and now people walk along that road. The Sempai himself on the Front line.
Part-time Serralogist
ProFalseIdol
Profile Joined June 2018
70 Posts
October 25 2019 09:31 GMT
#32
On October 24 2019 14:21 Dave4 wrote:
This is it. I don't like having to keep defending the argument that Serral is in the GOAT argument; he already has unthinkable stats that really aren't paralleled by any other players in my opinion.

I think it he wins BlizzCon for a second year running, there really will be no doubt.


Hasn't won IEM, WESG since he lost it all to Korean.. Thinkable. Has yet to man up and go to Korea for GSL Code S. All this talk about "preparation tournament" is just a way to divert the truth that Serral hasn't achieved this or even attempted to.
Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
October 25 2019 09:33 GMT
#33
On October 25 2019 18:31 ProFalseIdol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2019 14:21 Dave4 wrote:
This is it. I don't like having to keep defending the argument that Serral is in the GOAT argument; he already has unthinkable stats that really aren't paralleled by any other players in my opinion.

I think it he wins BlizzCon for a second year running, there really will be no doubt.


Hasn't won IEM, WESG since he lost it all to Korean.. Thinkable. Has yet to man up and go to Korea for GSL Code S. All this talk about "preparation tournament" is just a way to divert the truth that Serral hasn't achieved this or even attempted to.


Can salt drip?
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
870 Posts
October 25 2019 18:49 GMT
#34
I m unfair with Déjà vu....
ZugzwangSC
Profile Joined October 2019
87 Posts
October 25 2019 19:59 GMT
#35
This Serral guy... I heard he's pretty good at StarCraft.
www.youtube.com/c/zugzwangstarcraft
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
October 28 2019 12:10 GMT
#36
Serral is good, #1 zerg in the world blah blah blah, his fans are cringe however. Hope soo 3-0s him
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6992 Posts
October 28 2019 13:02 GMT
#37
On October 28 2019 21:10 Obamarauder wrote:
Serral is good, #1 zerg in the world blah blah blah, his fans are cringe however. Hope soo 3-0s him


In before Serral ZvZs his way to the title without dropping a map
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
October 31 2019 18:35 GMT
#38
On October 28 2019 22:02 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2019 21:10 Obamarauder wrote:
Serral is good, #1 zerg in the world blah blah blah, his fans are cringe however. Hope soo 3-0s him


In before Serral ZvZs his way to the title without dropping a map


I think he will lose some maps, but will still win. I think is biggest threat is actually.... soO
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
ProFalseIdol
Profile Joined June 2018
70 Posts
November 03 2019 09:16 GMT
#39
Well, didn't even get into the finals. And showed really bad games.

In before fan boys start making excuses.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 03 2019 11:07 GMT
#40
On November 03 2019 18:16 ProFalseIdol wrote:
Well, didn't even get into the finals. And showed really bad games.

In before fan boys start making excuses.


You mean that blind vultures are trying to make Serral look like he failed hard? He reached the semifinals. If he failed, what about Maru, Rogue, Stats?

Every single player who was the favourite to won BlizzCon lost, except probably Mvp in 2011; the point is not that Serral lost, it's how he lost. He is human, anyway; being the best at Sc2 doesn't mean you get to win every game and every tournament, unlike it happens in other sports/esports(and ignoring the fact Serral actually did that in the second half in 2018; that was an exception, it doesn't normally happen and it's not supposed to).

If you call Serral's games bad, you may want to skip 90% of played games in Sc2;Serral in the past surely played better than he did at BlizzCon, but it was still very high level Starcraft, what you are saying sounds ridicolous.
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