EPTGSL vs. The World: Team Korea Vote (2019) - Page 25
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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pvsnp
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This is the closest starcraft vote I can remember. I wonder if the players wil resort to shady tactics. Or maybe they have already. Apparently Fantasy was giving incentives and Trap is now getting League of Legends votes. Sketchy stuff, but I guess that's democracy for you. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
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Audustum
7 Posts
On July 31 2019 03:45 B0ssTerran wrote: so if they told trap the rule changed, everyone would be ok? maybe im coming off rude but i truly dont understand why this is a issue. and im not voting for trap only because of the outcry of blizzard not telling him. he started the first few days with barely any votes. the only reason it exploded is because trap wasnt told the rules. I think more people would be O.K. with it, yeah. Under the old rules, Trap was an automatic seed. To yank the proverbial rug out from under him without telling him is a kinda low blow. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
On July 31 2019 03:55 DarkAngel2 wrote: I'm not doing any implications - that's just simple reflection - so don't feel offended, please. However I can't agree that Trap's votes have been going up regularly - apart from regular grow, there were some "Start-Stop" actions. Stats votes grow regularly. Stats i.e. was 200 votes in front of him - next within an hour the diff is only 70 votes - I've notice such quick change at least three times. Next the diff grew again to 150 votes for Stats. Again - it is not any implication for any scam - just simple reflection and question what was happening. Well, I can think of 4 possibly reasonable "waves" for Trap 1) People mention in the thread that Trap is actually top contender right now and should be voted for. Next voters read this and more of 'em vote for Trap than before. 2) Trap's tweet about his luckless situation get's spreaded, people campaign for him now 3) That LoL-guy, who went on the same school as Trap, recommends to his followers to vote for Trap 4) Trap being in range motivates people to push even further. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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yubo56
676 Posts
On July 31 2019 05:10 fronkschnonk wrote: Well, I can think of 4 possibly reasonable "waves" for Trap 1) People mention in the thread that Trap is actually top contender right now and should be voted for. Next voters read this and more of 'em vote for Trap than before. 2) Trap's tweet about his luckless situation get's spreaded, people campaign for him now 3) That LoL-guy, who went on the same school as Trap, recommends to his followers to vote for Trap 4) Trap being in range motivates people to push even further. Yeah, I think this is what the original commenter meant to point out, that Trap's support is really coming from specific actions (tweets, shares etc.), while Stats' support comes less from campaigning and just average voters (which would be a more consistent stream). Didn't sound accusatory to me, and makes sense. Also really shows how powerful campaigning can be | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4901 Posts
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StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5477 Posts
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On July 31 2019 06:36 StarcraftSquall wrote: Sinister idea: we could just have the four players in question do a night in the GSL studio to decide :-) Really the entire thing should be decided by qualifiers | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
On July 31 2019 05:55 yubo56 wrote: Yeah, I think this is what the original commenter meant to point out, that Trap's support is really coming from specific actions (tweets, shares etc.), while Stats' support comes less from campaigning and just average voters (which would be a more consistent stream). Didn't sound accusatory to me, and makes sense. Also really shows how powerful campaigning can be Maybe the picture I saw was out of context .... but I saw a vote stats picture where he is wearing a black and gold (inc?) Vote Stats hat. Not disputing your overal point but I think Trap isnt alone in campaigning. Different topic - I voted for Stats based upon my subjective belief he is number 1 or 2 protoss. If I had known about or considered Traps situation - I would have voted differently. I don't enjoy his play (subjective who cares) but he was a recent finalist of the most elite tournament in the world. Organizers- Fuck the vote. Fix your mistake. It was a mistake. | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2195 Posts
On July 31 2019 04:20 pvsnp wrote: Today, tomorrow, and part of the next day. This is the closest starcraft vote I can remember. I wonder if the players wil resort to shady tactics. Or maybe they have already. Apparently Fantasy was giving incentives and Trap is now getting League of Legends votes. Sketchy stuff, but I guess that's democracy for you. Yeah Fanta basically said "If I get voted in I'll do some events". Shady as fuck tbh. | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
But my main problem is the fact that Trap has constructed this narrative that afreeca has changed the rules in order to disadvantage him specifically, painting himself as a person of sympathy in order to gain votes. Afreeca has the prerogative to change the rules and that's there choice. So long as it isn't changed mid tournament or half way through the voting process then there's nothing wrong. Yes it's tough luck and he has my sympathy but it's not some grand conspiracy to stop him from going to GSL Vs The World. I mean as it stands he's in anyway. As for Fantasy I have to say I'm not impressed at all if the suggestions on this thread are true. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 31 2019 08:26 Z3nith wrote: Honestly there are a couple of things that have bothered me about this stuff. I mean it irks me a little that many of the players only stream when GSL Vs The World is on which disadvantages players like Stats and PartinG who consistently stream with or without. But my main problem is the fact that Trap has constructed this narrative that afreeca has changed the rules in order to disadvantage him specifically, painting himself as a person of sympathy in order to gain votes. Afreeca has the prerogative to change the rules and that's there choice. So long as it isn't changed mid tournament or half way through the voting process then there's nothing wrong. Yes it's tough luck and he has my sympathy but it's not some grand conspiracy to stop him from going to GSL Vs The World. I mean as it stands he's in anyway. As for Fantasy I have to say I'm not impressed at all if the suggestions on this thread are true. Afreeca? Trap had bad luck in the past and this time Blizzard could have changed the rules, but doing so without notifying the players involved is not fair. He would have had my sympathy even if I didn't like him. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23289 Posts
On July 31 2019 08:26 Z3nith wrote: Honestly there are a couple of things that have bothered me about this stuff. I mean it irks me a little that many of the players only stream when GSL Vs The World is on which disadvantages players like Stats and PartinG who consistently stream with or without. But my main problem is the fact that Trap has constructed this narrative that afreeca has changed the rules in order to disadvantage him specifically, painting himself as a person of sympathy in order to gain votes. Afreeca has the prerogative to change the rules and that's there choice. So long as it isn't changed mid tournament or half way through the voting process then there's nothing wrong. Yes it's tough luck and he has my sympathy but it's not some grand conspiracy to stop him from going to GSL Vs The World. I mean as it stands he's in anyway. As for Fantasy I have to say I'm not impressed at all if the suggestions on this thread are true. I mean the whole thing is a bit of a mess. Put things to votes and this kind of stuff happens. Either it inherently gives a huge leg up to already popular players, players who don’t have that fan base resort to dubious measures to compensate, or fans themselves go out and vote multiple times on multiple accounts and what have you. My main issue is given the current tournament structure, playerbase and calendar, GSL vs the World is kind of a rare chance to see Serral (and other top foreigners) against the very best of Korea, in Korea. Surely that should be the central selling point of this tournament, so (potentially) diluting the quality of the field, meh I don’t fundamentally agree with it. I think doing most slots by WCS rank, having a qualifier to select who is currently in the best form, and maybe a wild card pick or two by voting would best suit the tournament. | ||
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mzj2
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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B0ssTerran
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On July 31 2019 08:43 Xain0n wrote: Afreeca? Trap had bad luck in the past and this time Blizzard could have changed the rules, but doing so without notifying the players involved is not fair. He would have had my sympathy even if I didn't like him. ok so if blizzard told trap everything is fine? really? this seems like fake outrage. | ||
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Sequence322
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On July 25 2019 04:33 JJH777 wrote: Damn I feel bad for Trap. In terms of pure results he is definitely the second best Protoss behind Classic this year but he is just getting demolished by Stats and even Parting and herO for some reason :/ Parting is just so much fun to watch though!!! I love parting for some reason! | ||
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