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kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary474 Posts
May 11 2019 21:59 GMT
#21
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


So because sOs lost, who is is way past his prime and plays weird games all the time, TvP is suddenly fine or protoss is not OP in general?
Why so serious?
litLikeBic
Profile Joined August 2018
Canada105 Posts
May 11 2019 22:05 GMT
#22
On May 12 2019 06:59 kajtarp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


So because sOs lost, who is is way past his prime and plays weird games all the time, TvP is suddenly fine or protoss is not OP in general?

it's just wishful thinking
waiting2Bbanned
Profile Joined November 2015
United States154 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-11 22:11:12
May 11 2019 22:10 GMT
#23
On May 12 2019 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 05:39 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


No they'll always complain every time a protoss wins because it's so deeply ingrained in them. This all started way back in BW.


Of course, Protoss absolutely deserves to have 8 spots in the Ro16. And 9 spots in the ST Ro16.

I can't possibly imagine why anyone would complain about that. I mean, this all started way back in BW.



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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 11 2019 22:44 GMT
#24
On May 12 2019 06:59 kajtarp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


So because sOs lost, who is is way past his prime and plays weird games all the time, TvP is suddenly fine or protoss is not OP in general?

if a foreign toss beat a code S terran 4-0 we would have another 500 reply thread called welcome to zparcraft 2 by now lol

somehow it magically never counts when terrans win
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
May 12 2019 01:49 GMT
#25
On May 12 2019 07:44 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 06:59 kajtarp wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


So because sOs lost, who is is way past his prime and plays weird games all the time, TvP is suddenly fine or protoss is not OP in general?

if a foreign toss beat a code S terran 4-0 we would have another 500 reply thread called welcome to zparcraft 2 by now lol

somehow it magically never counts when terrans win


it's pretty funny tbh

sos won multiple championships, is considered by the top of the community to be a genius of the game, and is usually at the top of the list when it comes to protoss players that terran players fear in the biggest tournaments.

but nah let's just lump him into "way past his prime protoss player" with MC

I will say this though, if there's one terran player aside from Maru who aint about that protoss cheese, it's special.

So many times when i catch special on streams, he's always breaking down the most brutal of protoss cheeses and is looking for ways to stop it. he hates it so badly lmao
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NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-12 02:20:06
May 12 2019 02:10 GMT
#26
On May 12 2019 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 05:39 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


No they'll always complain every time a protoss wins because it's so deeply ingrained in them. This all started way back in BW.


Of course, Protoss absolutely deserves to have 8 spots in the Ro16. And 9 spots in the ST Ro16.

I can't possibly imagine why anyone would complain about that. I mean, this all started way back in BW.


You don't get it. It has never stopped. Every single year in this game it doesn't matter how well protoss is doing people are always relentlessly whining about protoss no matter what. It has nothing to do with them having a particularly strong showing right now, that just intensifies the whining.

Also if we want to focus on balance we should notice that the premier tournaments this year are perfectly spread with 2 taken by zerg, 2 taken by terran, and 2 taken by protoss so far. GSL super tournament Classic, WESG Innovation, IEM soO, GSL season 1 Maru, WCS America Neeb, WCS Europe Reynor. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-12 07:04:08
May 12 2019 02:55 GMT
#27
On May 12 2019 11:10 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:39 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


No they'll always complain every time a protoss wins because it's so deeply ingrained in them. This all started way back in BW.


Of course, Protoss absolutely deserves to have 8 spots in the Ro16. And 9 spots in the ST Ro16.

I can't possibly imagine why anyone would complain about that. I mean, this all started way back in BW.


Also if we want to focus on balance we should notice that the premier tournaments this year are perfectly spread with 2 taken by zerg, 2 taken by terran, and 2 taken by protoss so far. GSL super tournament Classic, WESG Innovation, IEM soO, GSL season 1 Maru, WCS America Neeb, WCS Europe Reynor. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out.


So if Serral won exactly 1 more game against Inno, Zerg is suddenly insanely overpowered because it won half the tournaments in 2019, right? Just like how Zerg was OP as fuck during all of 2018 because Serral won more trophies than every Terran and Protoss combined, right? Not to mention how WCS America is obviously populated with the same racial distribution and skill level as GSL, right?
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NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-12 03:21:40
May 12 2019 03:12 GMT
#28
On May 12 2019 11:55 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 11:10 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:39 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


No they'll always complain every time a protoss wins because it's so deeply ingrained in them. This all started way back in BW.


Of course, Protoss absolutely deserves to have 8 spots in the Ro16. And 9 spots in the ST Ro16.

I can't possibly imagine why anyone would complain about that. I mean, this all started way back in BW.


Also if we want to focus on balance we should notice that the premier tournaments this year are perfectly spread with 2 taken by zerg, 2 taken by terran, and 2 taken by protoss so far. GSL super tournament Classic, WESG Innovation, IEM soO, GSL season 1 Maru, WCS America Neeb, WCS Europe Reynor. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out.


So if Serral won exactly 1 more game against Inno, Zerg is suddenly insanely overpowered because it won half the tournaments in 2019, right? Just like how Zerg was OP as fuck during all of 2018 because Serral won more trophies than every Terran and Protoss combined, right? Not to mention how WCS America is obviously populated with the same racial distribution and skill level as GSL, right?

If you're going to defend imbalance, at least do it competently.

whine

whining

It has nothing to do with them having a particularly strong showing right now




You're just attempting to challenge the truth. I never even claimed the game is perfectly balanced, the only thing I said is it's important to look at the spread of premier tournament wins among the races this year. That's true, nothing wrong with it. I never said it's the be all end all. It does at least suggest it's not as bad as people like to make it out to be if there is any imbalance. The way people act all the time you'd expect protoss to be winning nearly every important tournament.

Again, you miss the point. I said the whining has nothing to do with the current success because the whining would still be present if things were normal and protoss wasn't having more success than the other races at the moment. It just intensifies the whining with more success. It's not like it wouldn't be there if protoss wasn't showing up in serious force.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 12 2019 03:15 GMT
#29
Why does every single TL report thread evolve into some form of balance whining?

SpeCial played very well yesterday and could have beaten Ragnarok as well, if Artosis didn't curse him at that point he was close to holding off the Nydus.
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batatm
Profile Joined June 2014
Israel116 Posts
May 12 2019 03:34 GMT
#30
it's really not about balance as much as it's about viewer experience.
i'm not an active player anymore (used to play random), but i do watch the korean scene.

in the last super tournament i got bored with PvP and skipped some games.
i'm very likely to do so again in the upcoming ro16 (unless somehow we'll escape a 3-4 protoss group).
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-12 07:04:53
May 12 2019 04:03 GMT
#31
On May 12 2019 12:12 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 11:55 pvsnp wrote:
On May 12 2019 11:10 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:39 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


No they'll always complain every time a protoss wins because it's so deeply ingrained in them. This all started way back in BW.


Of course, Protoss absolutely deserves to have 8 spots in the Ro16. And 9 spots in the ST Ro16.

I can't possibly imagine why anyone would complain about that. I mean, this all started way back in BW.


Also if we want to focus on balance we should notice that the premier tournaments this year are perfectly spread with 2 taken by zerg, 2 taken by terran, and 2 taken by protoss so far. GSL super tournament Classic, WESG Innovation, IEM soO, GSL season 1 Maru, WCS America Neeb, WCS Europe Reynor. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out.


So if Serral won exactly 1 more game against Inno, Zerg is suddenly insanely overpowered because it won half the tournaments in 2019, right? Just like how Zerg was OP as fuck during all of 2018 because Serral won more trophies than every Terran and Protoss combined, right? Not to mention how WCS America is obviously populated with the same racial distribution and skill level as GSL, right?

If you're going to defend imbalance, at least do it competently.

whine

whining

It has nothing to do with them having a particularly strong showing right now




You're just attempting to challenge the truth. I never even claimed the game is perfectly balanced, the only thing I said is it's important to look at the spread of premier tournament wins among the races this year. That's true, nothing wrong with it. I never said it's the be all end all. It does at least suggest it's not as bad as people like to make it out to be if there is any imbalance. The way people act all the time you'd expect protoss to be winning nearly every important tournament.

Again, you miss the point. I said the whining has nothing to do with the current success because the whining would still be present if things were normal and protoss wasn't having more success than the other races at the moment. It just intensifies the whining with more success. It's not like it wouldn't be there if protoss wasn't showing up in serious force.


Protoss might be imbalanced, but what about tournament champions? The whining might be valid, but what about history?

Your point would seem to be whataboutism.
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TL+ Member
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4400 Posts
May 12 2019 04:27 GMT
#32
Tournament winners have nothing to do with balance. Protoss could never win a tournament again and still be overpowered. Winning a tournament is determined in a single series. That is far too few games to look at balance. Looking at race distribution for all tournaments this year Protoss has had extremely good representation in every single event besides wesg which had no Korean toss. GSL and IEM were won by t/z but they were still very good events for protoss.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 12 2019 05:17 GMT
#33
On May 12 2019 12:34 batatm wrote:
it's really not about balance as much as it's about viewer experience.
i'm not an active player anymore (used to play random), but i do watch the korean scene.

in the last super tournament i got bored with PvP and skipped some games.
i'm very likely to do so again in the upcoming ro16 (unless somehow we'll escape a 3-4 protoss group).

I mean I don't play either and I don't like watching PvPs.

Yet every single thread somehow devolves into pseudo balance argument.

Can't we just appreciate the games, of which yesterday's games were 100% the best amongst Ro32 games.
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NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
May 12 2019 06:08 GMT
#34
I don't understand why we can't just talk about the thread instead of balance whining. Why can't you see how lame your nonstop balance whining is?
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-12 06:14:10
May 12 2019 06:13 GMT
#35
On May 12 2019 13:03 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 12:12 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 11:55 pvsnp wrote:
On May 12 2019 11:10 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:39 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


No they'll always complain every time a protoss wins because it's so deeply ingrained in them. This all started way back in BW.


Of course, Protoss absolutely deserves to have 8 spots in the Ro16. And 9 spots in the ST Ro16.

I can't possibly imagine why anyone would complain about that. I mean, this all started way back in BW.


Also if we want to focus on balance we should notice that the premier tournaments this year are perfectly spread with 2 taken by zerg, 2 taken by terran, and 2 taken by protoss so far. GSL super tournament Classic, WESG Innovation, IEM soO, GSL season 1 Maru, WCS America Neeb, WCS Europe Reynor. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out.


So if Serral won exactly 1 more game against Inno, Zerg is suddenly insanely overpowered because it won half the tournaments in 2019, right? Just like how Zerg was OP as fuck during all of 2018 because Serral won more trophies than every Terran and Protoss combined, right? Not to mention how WCS America is obviously populated with the same racial distribution and skill level as GSL, right?

If you're going to defend imbalance, at least do it competently.

whine

whining

It has nothing to do with them having a particularly strong showing right now




You're just attempting to challenge the truth. I never even claimed the game is perfectly balanced, the only thing I said is it's important to look at the spread of premier tournament wins among the races this year. That's true, nothing wrong with it. I never said it's the be all end all. It does at least suggest it's not as bad as people like to make it out to be if there is any imbalance. The way people act all the time you'd expect protoss to be winning nearly every important tournament.

Again, you miss the point. I said the whining has nothing to do with the current success because the whining would still be present if things were normal and protoss wasn't having more success than the other races at the moment. It just intensifies the whining with more success. It's not like it wouldn't be there if protoss wasn't showing up in serious force.


Protoss might be imbalanced, but what about tournament champions? The whining might be valid, but what about history?

Your point would seem to be whataboutism. A flawless strategy. Imbalance can never be examined if it's never discussed.


I'm not the one who was ever trying to prove something. I never said whether the game is completely balanced or not. I was just attempting to calm down the balance whine. You're the one who made it about proving the game is imbalanced. Very lame to bring that crap here when we're discussing the GSL results and this amazing group.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-12 06:43:21
May 12 2019 06:36 GMT
#36
On May 12 2019 15:13 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 13:03 pvsnp wrote:
On May 12 2019 12:12 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 11:55 pvsnp wrote:
On May 12 2019 11:10 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:39 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


No they'll always complain every time a protoss wins because it's so deeply ingrained in them. This all started way back in BW.


Of course, Protoss absolutely deserves to have 8 spots in the Ro16. And 9 spots in the ST Ro16.

I can't possibly imagine why anyone would complain about that. I mean, this all started way back in BW.


Also if we want to focus on balance we should notice that the premier tournaments this year are perfectly spread with 2 taken by zerg, 2 taken by terran, and 2 taken by protoss so far. GSL super tournament Classic, WESG Innovation, IEM soO, GSL season 1 Maru, WCS America Neeb, WCS Europe Reynor. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out.


So if Serral won exactly 1 more game against Inno, Zerg is suddenly insanely overpowered because it won half the tournaments in 2019, right? Just like how Zerg was OP as fuck during all of 2018 because Serral won more trophies than every Terran and Protoss combined, right? Not to mention how WCS America is obviously populated with the same racial distribution and skill level as GSL, right?

If you're going to defend imbalance, at least do it competently.

whine

whining

It has nothing to do with them having a particularly strong showing right now




You're just attempting to challenge the truth. I never even claimed the game is perfectly balanced, the only thing I said is it's important to look at the spread of premier tournament wins among the races this year. That's true, nothing wrong with it. I never said it's the be all end all. It does at least suggest it's not as bad as people like to make it out to be if there is any imbalance. The way people act all the time you'd expect protoss to be winning nearly every important tournament.

Again, you miss the point. I said the whining has nothing to do with the current success because the whining would still be present if things were normal and protoss wasn't having more success than the other races at the moment. It just intensifies the whining with more success. It's not like it wouldn't be there if protoss wasn't showing up in serious force.


Protoss might be imbalanced, but what about tournament champions? The whining might be valid, but what about history?

Your point would seem to be whataboutism. A flawless strategy. Imbalance can never be examined if it's never discussed.


I'm not the one who was ever trying to prove something. I never said whether the game is completely balanced or not. I was just attempting to calm down the balance whine. You're the one who made it about proving the game is imbalanced. Very lame to bring that crap here when we're discussing the GSL results and this amazing group.


Yes, of course. You were only discussing the GSL results and this amazing group.

On May 12 2019 05:39 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


No they'll always complain every time a protoss wins because it's so deeply ingrained in them. This all started way back in BW.


Terribly sorry to have interrupted. Carry on.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15919 Posts
May 12 2019 07:22 GMT
#37
Tbh PvZ seems to be the bigger reason for why protoss is overrepresented atm.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 12 2019 07:22 GMT
#38
On May 12 2019 05:39 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2019 05:04 Charoisaur wrote:
so will people stop complaining about TvP now?


No they'll always complain every time a protoss wins because it's so deeply ingrained in them. This all started way back in BW.

Suuuure, also thsi started when multiple tournaments have so many good tosses who play so better than terrans. Or zergs. But that's just how it works, they just play better, we have to deal with it, nothing to do with maps, balance or the game at all.
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getg00d
Profile Joined April 2017
United States120 Posts
May 12 2019 07:26 GMT
#39
On May 12 2019 03:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
One of the most insane days of GSL in recent memory, both in terms of results and strategies used.

Agreed! Loved every minute of it! fooking Special and his work ethic is something else, I hope he wins.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
May 12 2019 08:09 GMT
#40
TY had advanced from nine straight Ro32's before this. Will be the first group nominations in LotV without TY present
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