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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
March 03 2019 07:37 GMT
#41
Really don't like herO style; and since Stats has so many tourney... I hope that if soO is meant to not win, then it'll go to Dark.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
March 03 2019 07:50 GMT
#42
On March 03 2019 11:03 StarcraftSquall wrote:
These results proves why StarCraft 2 needs Korea’s Region Lock to stay in place. Serral is an anomaly.

You’re totally right if you argue it isn’t fair; BUT for the good of the game it is what must be.

Also, as an American SC2 fan, super disappointed that Neeb didn’t play better. Did I expect him to pick up after Serral lost? Not really, but I expected better than a 30 minute or less bopping.


as a fellow american fan i expected the outcome

Stats is Neeb's worst nightmare in this metagame. even worse than dark imo.Which is pretty ironic because Neeb's legendary run in the kespa cup came at stats' expense

Neeb struggles vs Protoss players with high mechanics. that's his achilles heel. and Stats is the most solid protoss player on the planet, and just a juggernaut in general.

if neeb got to go through the zergs or terrans instead i think he wouldve had a much better shot.
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
March 03 2019 08:08 GMT
#43
On March 03 2019 16:50 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 11:03 StarcraftSquall wrote:
These results proves why StarCraft 2 needs Korea’s Region Lock to stay in place. Serral is an anomaly.

You’re totally right if you argue it isn’t fair; BUT for the good of the game it is what must be.

Also, as an American SC2 fan, super disappointed that Neeb didn’t play better. Did I expect him to pick up after Serral lost? Not really, but I expected better than a 30 minute or less bopping.


as a fellow american fan i expected the outcome

Stats is Neeb's worst nightmare in this metagame. even worse than dark imo.Which is pretty ironic because Neeb's legendary run in the kespa cup came at stats' expense

Neeb struggles vs Protoss players with high mechanics. that's his achilles heel. and Stats is the most solid protoss player on the planet, and just a juggernaut in general.

if neeb got to go through the zergs or terrans instead i think he wouldve had a much better shot.


It doesn't help that his pvp has suffered greatly since the last patch, in contrast to his pvt and pvz which looks better than before. Losing to players like mcanning and astrea recently was always going to spell disaster against top PvPers like stats, zest, trap.. etc. No disrespect to the NA protosses of course, they are excellent players but the top top KR protosses are just terrifying - even the tiniest errors get punished.
Year of MaxPax
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 03 2019 08:09 GMT
#44
On March 03 2019 14:31 Anc13nt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 13:48 Majick wrote:
I had the impression Serral looked like he was hangover or still sleeping while facing soO who was perfectly warmed up and aware of everything.

Misclicking his army movements, running into banes, eating biles, reacting too late... very uncharacteristic by Serral.

I wonder if it was soO having this effect on him or maybe Inno broke him somehow the day before.


Feel like Serral was pretty on point in games 3-5 but in game 2 he definitely wasn't playing at his full ability. On random note, I feel like game 3 showed that the difference between Serral and Maru I feel is that when Maru is ahead he's almost unbeatable whereas when Serral is behind he's almost unbeatable. Serral will surround your army while killing like 20 of your workers before going down lol.

Game 3 wasn't just an almost-comeback from serral. He actually did get ahead with better upgrades, hive tech and even supply. soO even looked pretty dead at some points, but then he made some magic happen of his own to win the game after 15 minutes of being behind in tech. Although I guess that does fit your description, where Maru is the one that's unbeatable when he's ahead.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 03 2019 09:42 GMT
#45
i dont think i w ant to stay up and watch soo play. i hope he wins he deserves it but man that would be soul crushing if he falls to stats in the finals or something like that
bestiszest
Profile Joined March 2015
France103 Posts
March 03 2019 10:00 GMT
#46
On March 03 2019 17:09 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 14:31 Anc13nt wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:48 Majick wrote:
I had the impression Serral looked like he was hangover or still sleeping while facing soO who was perfectly warmed up and aware of everything.

Misclicking his army movements, running into banes, eating biles, reacting too late... very uncharacteristic by Serral.

I wonder if it was soO having this effect on him or maybe Inno broke him somehow the day before.


Feel like Serral was pretty on point in games 3-5 but in game 2 he definitely wasn't playing at his full ability. On random note, I feel like game 3 showed that the difference between Serral and Maru I feel is that when Maru is ahead he's almost unbeatable whereas when Serral is behind he's almost unbeatable. Serral will surround your army while killing like 20 of your workers before going down lol.

Game 3 wasn't just an almost-comeback from serral. He actually did get ahead with better upgrades, hive tech and even supply. soO even looked pretty dead at some points, but then he made some magic happen of his own to win the game after 15 minutes of being behind in tech. Although I guess that does fit your description, where Maru is the one that's unbeatable when he's ahead.


On that note at some point soO had quite a bank and did not go for +3 attack. I really don't know much about ZvZ, was there a strong rationale behind that or did it look like a mistake?
Kt Rolster Zest and TY myboys freaking teamkills :'(
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 03 2019 10:05 GMT
#47
On March 03 2019 19:00 bestiszest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 17:09 DBooN wrote:
On March 03 2019 14:31 Anc13nt wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:48 Majick wrote:
I had the impression Serral looked like he was hangover or still sleeping while facing soO who was perfectly warmed up and aware of everything.

Misclicking his army movements, running into banes, eating biles, reacting too late... very uncharacteristic by Serral.

I wonder if it was soO having this effect on him or maybe Inno broke him somehow the day before.


Feel like Serral was pretty on point in games 3-5 but in game 2 he definitely wasn't playing at his full ability. On random note, I feel like game 3 showed that the difference between Serral and Maru I feel is that when Maru is ahead he's almost unbeatable whereas when Serral is behind he's almost unbeatable. Serral will surround your army while killing like 20 of your workers before going down lol.

Game 3 wasn't just an almost-comeback from serral. He actually did get ahead with better upgrades, hive tech and even supply. soO even looked pretty dead at some points, but then he made some magic happen of his own to win the game after 15 minutes of being behind in tech. Although I guess that does fit your description, where Maru is the one that's unbeatable when he's ahead.


On that note at some point soO had quite a bank and did not go for +3 attack. I really don't know much about ZvZ, was there a strong rationale behind that or did it look like a mistake?

Refusing to go hive is his rebellion against EU ZvZ.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16101 Posts
March 03 2019 10:13 GMT
#48
soO looks so unbeatable when he has his eyes on getting 2nd place
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 03 2019 10:44 GMT
#49
ok i stayed up to watch soo beat hero and am happy. soo has beaten serral and secured at least another silver medal. i'm not gonna stay up anymore, hopefully when i wake up he will have gotten first place. not sure if he can beat stats though, but praying for a miracle. go soo!!!!!!!
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
March 03 2019 10:46 GMT
#50
All Hail SoO! Go and get that trophy !
Nestea fightingg ! DRG fightingggg !! Sen fightinggg ! July fighting ! SoO fighting !
Kikirik1
Profile Joined January 2017
45 Posts
March 03 2019 11:00 GMT
#51
No terans, no problems for SoO, but them final curse coming.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 03 2019 11:11 GMT
#52
On March 03 2019 19:00 bestiszest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 17:09 DBooN wrote:
On March 03 2019 14:31 Anc13nt wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:48 Majick wrote:
I had the impression Serral looked like he was hangover or still sleeping while facing soO who was perfectly warmed up and aware of everything.

Misclicking his army movements, running into banes, eating biles, reacting too late... very uncharacteristic by Serral.

I wonder if it was soO having this effect on him or maybe Inno broke him somehow the day before.


Feel like Serral was pretty on point in games 3-5 but in game 2 he definitely wasn't playing at his full ability. On random note, I feel like game 3 showed that the difference between Serral and Maru I feel is that when Maru is ahead he's almost unbeatable whereas when Serral is behind he's almost unbeatable. Serral will surround your army while killing like 20 of your workers before going down lol.

Game 3 wasn't just an almost-comeback from serral. He actually did get ahead with better upgrades, hive tech and even supply. soO even looked pretty dead at some points, but then he made some magic happen of his own to win the game after 15 minutes of being behind in tech. Although I guess that does fit your description, where Maru is the one that's unbeatable when he's ahead.


On that note at some point soO had quite a bank and did not go for +3 attack. I really don't know much about ZvZ, was there a strong rationale behind that or did it look like a mistake?

If he has a clear reason, I don't understand it. I think he totally could've transitioned and would've had every advantage.
turnjet
Profile Joined March 2019
3 Posts
March 03 2019 13:50 GMT
#53
What keyboard is soO using?
col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
139 Posts
March 03 2019 14:06 GMT
#54
soO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YESSSSS
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
March 03 2019 14:37 GMT
#55
On March 03 2019 19:44 fishjie wrote:
ok i stayed up to watch soo beat hero and am happy. soo has beaten serral and secured at least another silver medal. i'm not gonna stay up anymore, hopefully when i wake up he will have gotten first place. not sure if he can beat stats though, but praying for a miracle. go soo!!!!!!!


You dont know what youve missed.
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 03 2019 15:32 GMT
#56
oh my god!!!!! i woke up anxiously checking the results, pretty sure stats would've beaten dark and then soo. didn't want to stay up late watching soo get second place again. sad to have missed it live, but holy shit i am in tears!!!!! SOOOO YOU BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL CHAMPION!!!!!!
turnjet
Profile Joined March 2019
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-03 17:18:46
March 03 2019 16:48 GMT
#57
Which keyboard is this guys?

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turnjet
Profile Joined March 2019
3 Posts
March 03 2019 17:40 GMT
#58
Asus ROG Claymore
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
March 04 2019 08:23 GMT
#59
On March 03 2019 12:28 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 11:03 StarcraftSquall wrote:
These results proves why StarCraft 2 needs Korea’s Region Lock to stay in place. Serral is an anomaly.

You’re totally right if you argue it isn’t fair; BUT for the good of the game it is what must be.

Also, as an American SC2 fan, super disappointed that Neeb didn’t play better. Did I expect him to pick up after Serral lost? Not really, but I expected better than a 30 minute or less bopping.

The results of this tournament indicate nothing of the sort. I count at least 6 non-Koreans having wins over GSL ro16 players (Serral, Neeb, SpeCial, HeRoMaRiNe, Scarlett, and Lambo) and probably as many others having wins over ro32 players.



If region lock is lifted, with the talent pool the way it currently is, this is not hyperbole: StarCraft DIES. While no one disputes Korea is an overpowered region the reality is that casual SC2 fan does not want to see a BlizzCon with 15 Koreans and one token foreigner. Yes, it’s been THAT bad. We have lived through it. So know that you’re advocating for the death of a game that’s recovered from that and is now thriving as an esport, because of the region lock. When we see consistent foreigner production against TOP level Koreans... not your Leenocks, but your Maru, Stats, TY.... and they legitimately can win 50% of series that mean something Then this can be revisited. Until then for the health of the game it must stay put.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3774 Posts
March 06 2019 15:44 GMT
#60
On March 03 2019 07:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 07:24 Charoisaur wrote:
no matter who loses in the finals - it will be heartbreaking
herO and Stats have lost IEM Katowice in the finals before and soO and Dark of course have their history of getting 2nd...
Tomorrow will be a sad day


and on the glass half full perspective, it's going to be a very happy day for someone tomorrow (soO)

at least everyone is getting paid this time. It's not like IEM Katowice 2014 where even 2nd gets nothing (herO ;; )

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VIII_-_World_Championship

At least there was no 3rd/4th place match.
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