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Canada8991 Posts
On February 09 2019 09:26 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2019 08:39 Nakajin wrote:On February 09 2019 03:23 Rodya wrote:On February 07 2019 19:20 Harris1st wrote:On February 07 2019 04:40 Charoisaur wrote:
So koreans stealing foreign money is bad but foreigners stealing korean money is good? What's the difference between this region-lock and the WCS region-lock? That foreigners benefit from one and koreans benefit from the other but koreans aren't supposed to benefit from the system?? It sucks for the players but from a marketing point of view I can understand this decision. Foreigner in GSL will skyrocket viewernumbers for GSL but Koreans in WCS will not. I doubt many Koreans would watch WCS and most other ppl who would, watch it anyway. I don't have numbers to back this, just a guess. This is a statement that I simply can not imagine an American ever making. It is pure conjecture and is... well to be honest it betrays your sub conscious bias that you think it's true. Maybe a Trump supporter would say this (feel obligated to call this out when I see it). Scarlett is literally the most famous and popular foreigner in the history of Starcraft. That is why when she is in GSL, her group gets better views on average (assuming this even happens). If SortOf was in the GSL, do you think anyone would care? Why would I want to watch SortOf get rolled by Leenock and alive? You think that having Noregret in GSL skyrocketed viewer numbers? No - no one cares. The only foreigner that boosts ratings is Scarlett because she is awesome. Everyone would prefer to see Bomber, MC, and partinG etc. than these foreigners that have never acheived anything in this game. Now, you put any of the top 15 Koreans in WCS and the hype would be unreal. I know it's hard for you to imagine that many white people might not currently be watching the WCS (and instead only watch GSL), but it's true. Koreans aren't the only new viewers you would get from including Koreans in WCS. Dude did you freaking watch 2013-14 Starcraft? Our head was on the chopping block and Starcraft had its worst years in term of viewership Is that just how you perceived it, or can you present some links to evidence? StarCraft II was always planned as a 2 expansion piece, and LotV hadn't even come out then. I don't see how it would be 'on the chopping block' from Blizzard's point of view (WCS prize funding from blizzard stayed the same between 2013 and 2015). Maybe you could argue third parties started losing interest in 2014~2015, but 2013 was the biggest year of third party 'premiere' tier tournaments.
Well yes "choping block" isn't the good expression of course LOTV was always comming out, 2014-15 (not 13 your right) was the time when the dead game meme were at their apex, korean were winning everything we had bad viewership and tournament to almost empty crowd and we lost a bunch of tournament quite quickly. It's not to say that sc2 was about to die there but more thay it was clearly in a downward spiral and the WCS region lock is probably one of the thing that slowed this decline and even produce some growth. It hard to imagine SC2 still having a strong pro scene if it stayed the same as the HOTS era.
Of course ftp and warchess also helped.
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kick a foreigner out of GSL?
it just select for WCS challenge or GSL. but foreigners chose WCS challenge instead GSL
They still have opportunity for participate GSL but they doesn't it. but koreans have no chance to participate for WCS
i think because of this esports can't be a sports
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On February 09 2019 22:34 barcodeno1 wrote:
kick a foreigner out of GSL?
it just select for WCS challenge or GSL. but foreigners chose WCS challenge instead GSL
They still have opportunity for participate GSL but they doesn't it. but koreans have no chance to participate for WCS
i think because of this esports can't be a sports
It ain't a real sport when matches are predetermined. Lol at "seeding" in the entire sc2 scene whether it be amateur tournaments or. Nothing like trying to purposely make it so certain players are guaranteed to have the best chances of making it deep!
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On February 09 2019 23:09 narbsncharbs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2019 22:34 barcodeno1 wrote:
kick a foreigner out of GSL?
it just select for WCS challenge or GSL. but foreigners chose WCS challenge instead GSL
They still have opportunity for participate GSL but they doesn't it. but koreans have no chance to participate for WCS
i think because of this esports can't be a sports It ain't a real sport when matches are predetermined. Lol at "seeding" in the entire sc2 scene whether it be amateur tournaments or. Nothing like trying to purposely make it so certain players are guaranteed to have the best chances of making it deep!
Seeding is a thing in many sports. Look at tennis. and even in football its not uncommon to have some seeding rules (amateurs vs pros in first rounds of cups for example).
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On February 09 2019 23:09 narbsncharbs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2019 22:34 barcodeno1 wrote:
kick a foreigner out of GSL?
it just select for WCS challenge or GSL. but foreigners chose WCS challenge instead GSL
They still have opportunity for participate GSL but they doesn't it. but koreans have no chance to participate for WCS
i think because of this esports can't be a sports It ain't a real sport when matches are predetermined. Lol at "seeding" in the entire sc2 scene whether it be amateur tournaments or. Nothing like trying to purposely make it so certain players are guaranteed to have the best chances of making it deep!
"Real" sports use seeding too genius
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On February 09 2019 23:14 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2019 23:09 narbsncharbs wrote:On February 09 2019 22:34 barcodeno1 wrote:
kick a foreigner out of GSL?
it just select for WCS challenge or GSL. but foreigners chose WCS challenge instead GSL
They still have opportunity for participate GSL but they doesn't it. but koreans have no chance to participate for WCS
i think because of this esports can't be a sports It ain't a real sport when matches are predetermined. Lol at "seeding" in the entire sc2 scene whether it be amateur tournaments or. Nothing like trying to purposely make it so certain players are guaranteed to have the best chances of making it deep! "Real" sports use seeding too genius
then they are not "real" sports. He just defined that a real sport doesn't use seeding
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poor scarlett needs to fight trouth open bracket instead of qualifing for first stop ... because of stupid rules ...
well she should still be able to make it trough
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On February 09 2019 23:09 narbsncharbs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2019 22:34 barcodeno1 wrote:
kick a foreigner out of GSL?
it just select for WCS challenge or GSL. but foreigners chose WCS challenge instead GSL
They still have opportunity for participate GSL but they doesn't it. but koreans have no chance to participate for WCS
i think because of this esports can't be a sports It ain't a real sport when matches are predetermined. Lol at "seeding" in the entire sc2 scene whether it be amateur tournaments or. Nothing like trying to purposely make it so certain players are guaranteed to have the best chances of making it deep!
so tennis isnt a real sport i guess ? or darts ? or ... (i can go on forever bro)
seeding is bascily in every sport that is a multi player tournament structure especially if its 1 man teams
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On February 09 2019 03:23 Rodya wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2019 19:20 Harris1st wrote:On February 07 2019 04:40 Charoisaur wrote:
So koreans stealing foreign money is bad but foreigners stealing korean money is good? What's the difference between this region-lock and the WCS region-lock? That foreigners benefit from one and koreans benefit from the other but koreans aren't supposed to benefit from the system?? It sucks for the players but from a marketing point of view I can understand this decision. Foreigner in GSL will skyrocket viewernumbers for GSL but Koreans in WCS will not. I doubt many Koreans would watch WCS and most other ppl who would, watch it anyway. I don't have numbers to back this, just a guess. This is a statement that I simply can not imagine an American ever making. It is pure conjecture and is... well to be honest it betrays your sub conscious bias that you think it's true. Maybe a Trump supporter would say this (feel obligated to call this out when I see it). Scarlett is literally the most famous and popular foreigner in the history of Starcraft. That is why when she is in GSL, her group gets better views on average (assuming this even happens). If SortOf was in the GSL, do you think anyone would care? Why would I want to watch SortOf get rolled by Leenock and alive? You think that having Noregret in GSL skyrocketed viewer numbers? No - no one cares. The only foreigner that boosts ratings is Scarlett because she is awesome. Everyone would prefer to see Bomber, MC, and partinG etc. than these foreigners that have never acheived anything in this game. Now, you put any of the top 15 Koreans in WCS and the hype would be unreal. I know it's hard for you to imagine that many white people might not currently be watching the WCS (and instead only watch GSL), but it's true. Koreans aren't the only new viewers you would get from including Koreans in WCS. User was temp banned for this post.
Wow that got really personal (and quite a bit racist) really fast and I'm not gonna dignify this with a response besides this.
Just FYI, I'm German 
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One of the main WCS and Starcraft esports people, creative producer and senior esports manager Marc Olbertz was part of the mass lay offs yesterday at Activision Blizzard. Doesn't bode well for the future...
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Canada8991 Posts
On February 14 2019 04:25 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:One of the main WCS and Starcraft esports people, creative producer and senior esports manager Marc Olbertz was part of the mass lay offs yesterday at Activision Blizzard. Doesn't bode well for the future... https://twitter.com/MarcSOlbertz/status/1095743902772916224
Ouch, best of luck too him and everyone else. I think he was the "inside man" for a lot of the community people (like the pylon show guys), it's a big blow.
I really hope we get through this year without any cancellation. I feel like this year will be the end for WCS-GSL, hard times ahead, but at least we got other like Take, Cheesadelphia and (someday) that chinese team league
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