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StarCraft II: DeepMind Demonstration: Jan 24 - Page 15

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Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
January 24 2019 19:20 GMT
#281
On January 25 2019 04:18 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 04:17 Cyro wrote:
On January 25 2019 04:16 Poopi wrote:
So does it see the whole map or not?
Their render of view is confusing w/ regards to what was said earlier :o


It can see everything with vision

the view is just what it's focusing attention on

Okay so it's a PR stunt, not a breakthrough in reinforcement learning. Quite disappointing


Yeah it also doesn't have to scratch it's balls, while real players sometimes have to sacrifice some APM for that. Quite disappointing.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 24 2019 19:20 GMT
#282
On January 25 2019 04:18 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 04:16 Serimek wrote:
On January 25 2019 04:14 Aeromi wrote:
AlphaStar has no control group


Yeah. I'm confuse about how fair it is micro-wise.


Meh the micro seemed pretty fair, it's way less insane than a standard Blizz brutal IA.


The footage of game 2 made me doubtful. I need to see replays.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
January 24 2019 19:20 GMT
#283
alphastar basically has a zoom hack, not a map hack but a hack still
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12796 Posts
January 24 2019 19:23 GMT
#284
On January 25 2019 04:19 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 04:18 Poopi wrote:
On January 25 2019 04:17 Cyro wrote:
On January 25 2019 04:16 Poopi wrote:
So does it see the whole map or not?
Their render of view is confusing w/ regards to what was said earlier :o


It can see everything with vision

the view is just what it's focusing attention on

Okay so it's a PR stunt, not a breakthrough in reinforcement learning. Quite disappointing


It doesn't have vision of everything, yes it can "see" everything it has vision of however.

Yes I know, still makes it pretty easier
WriterMaru
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 19:23:40
January 24 2019 19:23 GMT
#285
Disappointing. Zoom hack and basically just outmicroing players, which everyone knew is unbeatable if done perfectly.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
January 24 2019 19:24 GMT
#286
Oh shit... 3-0?
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 19:24:49
January 24 2019 19:24 GMT
#287
Skynet seems much better at engaging than puny humanoids

e: and interesting that it lifted sentries instead of immortals
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
January 24 2019 19:25 GMT
#288
Mana should just retire
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
January 24 2019 19:25 GMT
#289
On January 25 2019 04:23 JyB wrote:
Disappointing. Zoom hack and basically just outmicroing players, which everyone knew is unbeatable if done perfectly.


The build order and mouvement army are great on this engine.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
January 24 2019 19:25 GMT
#290
Honestly this game was really impressive.
MarthTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany387 Posts
January 24 2019 19:26 GMT
#291
AlphaStar is really on point when it comes to saving units from damage or a bad engagement.
youtube.com/c/MarthTV | twitter.com/Marth_TV | twitch.tv/marthtv
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 24 2019 19:26 GMT
#292
Who will make the AlphaStar fan club?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
January 24 2019 19:27 GMT
#293
they need to tune the micro ability down for sure, some moves look very inhuman like immediately targeting the immortal as it was coming out without missing a beat
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
January 24 2019 19:27 GMT
#294
The micro is just too impossible for human being, if Serral forgets his mouse pad again there'll be no way that human can beat it. Google should add restriction on things like mouse movement/friction
"You don't need a gsl champion, you don't need a esl champion. I feel like I'm just a normal man. I just practice very hard this time, like 15hrs everyday" Oliveira 2023
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
January 24 2019 19:28 GMT
#295
Is AlphaStar apm capped like the DotA2 agent?
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
peanuts
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States1225 Posts
January 24 2019 19:28 GMT
#296
Just got home, what's the verdict thus far?
Writer"My greatest skill is my enjoyment of the game" - Grubby | @TL_Peanuts
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain877 Posts
January 24 2019 19:29 GMT
#297
On January 25 2019 04:25 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 04:23 JyB wrote:
Disappointing. Zoom hack and basically just outmicroing players, which everyone knew is unbeatable if done perfectly.


The build order and mouvement army are great on this engine.

Micro and decision making is also very good, and it is very very decisive. Its evaluation of its winning position in the game and in each battle is at the top. Notice how it pulled a few probes when Mana attacked in game 3, to assure it would win the battle decisively.
So far I do not see any weakness in this second AlphaStar.
Fear.
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 24 2019 19:29 GMT
#298
On January 25 2019 04:28 Alethios wrote:
Is AlphaStar apm capped like the DotA2 agent?

Yeah it's capped and on average uses less APM than pros, it also has an artificial reaction of 350ms which is also on the slow end of progames.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
January 24 2019 19:30 GMT
#299
On January 25 2019 04:27 IshinShishi wrote:
they need to tune the micro ability down for sure, some moves look very inhuman like immediately targeting the immortal as it was coming out without missing a beat


I don't see how you tune that off, you click on the immortal as quick as you can when it pop off, you can put the bot at 60 APM and he is still gonna click on it at the first second.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
January 24 2019 19:30 GMT
#300
On January 25 2019 04:28 peanuts wrote:
Just got home, what's the verdict thus far?


Not much to say about the TLO series, like, it was okay, but TLO played really bad to be honest.

This second series is the real deal though. This is awesome!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
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