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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 24 2019 18:58 GMT
#201
Aww, I was hoping for one of the Blizzcon protoss.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
January 24 2019 18:58 GMT
#202
On January 25 2019 03:57 Serimek wrote:
LiquidMana top 10 Protoss? The guy is good, but it's PR bullshit.


Hum seems fair honestly, I would take top 15 toss
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
January 24 2019 18:58 GMT
#203
On January 25 2019 03:56 imre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 03:55 Poopi wrote:
Still if this is the result we get when the AI can view full map (beating an offracing TLO), it'll be a long time before they can beat pros in fair conditions.
That APM thing is questionable as well


From what we saw the APM looked a bit below the standard pro player (especially game 1 a Korean Protoss would have had a way better prism micro) so this point isn't an issue.

It's not an issue now because they couldn't yet optimize this part as well, but as they progress it'll become a problem
WriterMaru
gophersnake
Profile Joined July 2018
48 Posts
January 24 2019 18:58 GMT
#204
Kind of silly that people are so ignorant of the difficulties for a machine to learn a game like starcraft.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
January 24 2019 18:58 GMT
#205
On January 25 2019 03:56 Dav1oN wrote:
APM thing is questionable, but even more questionable is a "maphack", it needs to have the same conditions and vision as a human to make it close to fair


It doesn't have maphack, it can just technically see everywhere that it has vision
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18490 Posts
January 24 2019 18:58 GMT
#206
On January 25 2019 03:56 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 03:55 Acrofales wrote:
On January 25 2019 03:50 Acrofales wrote:
On January 25 2019 03:26 Pandemona wrote:
Well thats a bit of a cheat isnt it? Being able to see whole map all time (non fog of war part)

Well, that removes the "partial observable" part... guess they couldn't deal with that

Hm. Not sure now. TLO just said that proxy could have worked because the AI doesn't scout well... so they *don't* see the whole map?


the guy worded it really poorly; it doesn't have maphack, more like a "zoom-out-hack" (not EXACTLY this either)

Seeing as clicking around the map costs 1 APM, I'm not sure a "zoom-out-hack" is actually a hack at all.

So... am I understanding this right? Did it also play Mana? This should be good :O
Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
January 24 2019 18:58 GMT
#207
Why not play Stats or Classic?
[url]http://i.imgur.com/lw2yN.jpg[/url]
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain886 Posts
January 24 2019 18:59 GMT
#208
Quick Liquidbet on this?
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8324 Posts
January 24 2019 18:59 GMT
#209
On January 25 2019 03:57 Serimek wrote:
LiquidMana top 10 Protoss? The guy is good, but it's PR bullshit.


Top 10 foreigner protoss maybe. I mean, it's basically Neeb, Showtime, and then everyone else as far as non-Korean protoss goes.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
January 24 2019 18:59 GMT
#210
It cannot "view" full map, it doesn't see through the fog. It can only zoom out really far instead of focusing attention on one screen at a time. But I think they said at one point that they tried switching it to a normal zoom level and the results were still the same as with zoom out. It's a matter of awareness which is unlimited for the machine. A human brain can focus one thing at a time essentially. Computers can run unlimited number of threads and have unlimited memory.
Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
January 24 2019 18:59 GMT
#211
On January 25 2019 03:58 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 03:57 Serimek wrote:
LiquidMana top 10 Protoss? The guy is good, but it's PR bullshit.


Hum seems fair honestly, I would take top 15 toss


Check Liquid Mana's ELO on aligulac
[url]http://i.imgur.com/lw2yN.jpg[/url]
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 24 2019 18:59 GMT
#212
On January 25 2019 03:58 imre wrote:
being as fast as an human with full vision basically means you can't harass it or i'm totally wrong? you wouldn't be able to play faster than it and there is no way you're going to attention starved him since it's basically always looking at the minimap.


I'm not sure he can "focus" on the all map at the same time if I understood correctly.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
January 24 2019 18:59 GMT
#213
If Mana loses we have to stop it... seriously.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 24 2019 18:59 GMT
#214
On January 25 2019 03:57 Serimek wrote:
LiquidMana top 10 Protoss? The guy is good, but it's PR bullshit.

Lying is the best PR sadly
Zest fanboy.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 19:00:46
January 24 2019 19:00 GMT
#215
Mana is really strong again, definitely top 5 Protoss outside of Korea I think. This is hype enough!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 24 2019 19:00 GMT
#216
On January 25 2019 03:58 Loccstana wrote:
Why not play Stats or Classic?


Maybe after. That would be fun
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 19:01:20
January 24 2019 19:00 GMT
#217
On January 25 2019 03:59 Loccstana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 03:58 Nakajin wrote:
On January 25 2019 03:57 Serimek wrote:
LiquidMana top 10 Protoss? The guy is good, but it's PR bullshit.


Hum seems fair honestly, I would take top 15 toss


Check Liquid Mana's ELO on aligulac

He's Top 11 Toss there
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Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
January 24 2019 19:01 GMT
#218
On January 25 2019 03:57 Serimek wrote:
LiquidMana top 10 Protoss? The guy is good, but it's PR bullshit.


He's rated rank #11 in the world and rank #3 of non-koreans on aligulac.
hundred thousand krouner
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1982 Posts
January 24 2019 19:01 GMT
#219
On January 25 2019 03:56 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 03:53 Garrl wrote:
On January 25 2019 03:51 IshinShishi wrote:
Im pretty sure that it's playing at GM level


they would've put a protoss player against it if it could beat them.

you guys seriously overestimate the level of play of GM players, I dont think it could beat a pro, but low-mid GM? For sure.


you're underestimating the difference in playing your mainrace is; of course it looks stronger playing someone's offrace.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 24 2019 19:01 GMT
#220
On January 25 2019 04:00 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 03:59 Loccstana wrote:
On January 25 2019 03:58 Nakajin wrote:
On January 25 2019 03:57 Serimek wrote:
LiquidMana top 10 Protoss? The guy is good, but it's PR bullshit.


Hum seems fair honestly, I would take top 15 toss


Check Liquid Mana's ELO on aligulac

He's Top 10 Toss there


11th ^_^
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
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