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Patience, INnoVation, Maru qualify for IEM Katowice - Page 2

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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 07 2019 13:56 GMT
#21
On January 07 2019 20:54 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2019 17:42 deacon.frost wrote:
Maru's TvT is still his Achille's heel. But I'm impressed he managed to beat his JAGW Nemesis.



Im not sure about it. I feel his weakness are protoss. Sure he lost to INno today but INno played flawlessly and Maru's TvT weakness was proved wrong last GSL when he demolished Gumiho and beat TY in GSL.

The last GSL is the last GSL and if we scratch these two matches he looked shaky before and after. OK, so he managed to prepare properly for Gumi and TY. (and TY didn't recognize his build he won 3 games with ) but then my memory bias remembers almost losing to some Terrans

On the other hand I remember Maru making the fastest GSL final against Zest

Therefor if we use the last year Maru won against Stats, smashed Zest and looked equal to TY. Therefore I say his TvT is his weakness

But hey, maybe my memory is fooling me, wouldn't be the first time :D
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 07 2019 16:07 GMT
#22
Well, I'd instead say Maru's TvT is not shaky; It's quite consistent, but it seems TY is at least his equal in the matchup(and Inno has been too, lately).

On the other hand, Maru's TvP has indeed been shaky, looking dominant in Code S but ultimately failing him in many important tournaments in 2018! Excluding Rogue at IEM, he was only defeated by Protoss:he lost 1-3 to Classic at Super Tournament 1, 1-3 to Stats in GSL vs the World, 1-3 and 0-3 against sOs at Super Tournament 2 and BlizzCon.
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
January 07 2019 16:30 GMT
#23
On January 08 2019 01:07 Xain0n wrote:
Well, I'd instead say Maru's TvT is not shaky; It's quite consistent, but it seems TY is at least his equal in the matchup(and Inno has been too, lately).

On the other hand, Maru's TvP has indeed been shaky, looking dominant in Code S but ultimately failing him in many important tournaments in 2018! Excluding Rogue at IEM, he was only defeated by Protoss:he lost 1-3 to Classic at Super Tournament 1, 1-3 to Stats in GSL vs the World, 1-3 and 0-3 against sOs at Super Tournament 2 and BlizzCon.

I'd say his TVP is fine. Last year Maru's overall offline winrate vs Protoss was over 70%, he completely destroyed Classic and Zest in the latter half of 2018 and those two have arguably the best PVT in the world. Losing to sOs doesn't really indicate much since they're practice partners.

Ofc considering all the hype built around him after last year people may consider not having 100% winrate "shaky"
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 07 2019 16:46 GMT
#24
Hahah ofc Maru's TvP is great and it's not actually shaky, but it betrayed him multiple times last year while his TvT and TvZ did not.
sOs is his practice partner, but so is Rogue and Maru fared better against him(despite losing to him in Katowice).
dummy1
Profile Blog Joined April 2018
420 Posts
January 07 2019 16:59 GMT
#25
Are you really trying to discuss his weakest match-up... or just boring? I thought there is no more questions since last GSL.
https://www.youtube.com/c/DepressingStarcraft <- Maru VODs and stuff | END REGION-LOCK NOW
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-07 17:18:34
January 07 2019 17:17 GMT
#26
I have no problem with there being no region lock for qualifiers, but maybe the qualifier name should be changed from NA/EU/etc. to Qualifier #1/#2/#3... It would reduce the confusion as the why Koreans are in a NA event. With the generic Qualifier #1 name you can then specific that this qualifier will be played on the NA server.
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NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
January 07 2019 17:57 GMT
#27
On January 07 2019 19:36 Kurao wrote:
I bet INno calculated how many seconds the NA ping would affect his 2-2 push timing, and decided it was worth it to play the NA qualifiers


LOL
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
January 07 2019 18:39 GMT
#28
Did not expect Patience to qualify. Great job!
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 07 2019 21:21 GMT
#29
On January 08 2019 01:46 Xain0n wrote:
Hahah ofc Maru's TvP is great and it's not actually shaky, but it betrayed him multiple times last year while his TvT and TvZ did not.
sOs is his practice partner, but so is Rogue and Maru fared better against him(despite losing to him in Katowice).

And that's why Rogue v Maru was the best RO8 match in the GSL. Rogue somehow didn't get his usual RO8 form and channeled his inner top form Rogue and boy, it was something.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
January 07 2019 21:41 GMT
#30
This open bracket is going to be so stacked. Also can't wait for the Korean qualifier.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-07 22:01:09
January 07 2019 22:01 GMT
#31
On January 07 2019 22:56 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2019 20:54 Argonauta wrote:
On January 07 2019 17:42 deacon.frost wrote:
Maru's TvT is still his Achille's heel. But I'm impressed he managed to beat his JAGW Nemesis.



Im not sure about it. I feel his weakness are protoss. Sure he lost to INno today but INno played flawlessly and Maru's TvT weakness was proved wrong last GSL when he demolished Gumiho and beat TY in GSL.

The last GSL is the last GSL and if we scratch these two matches he looked shaky before and after.

Well he didn't play any TvT for like six months before those matches against Gumiho and TY so it's difficult to say he looked shaky. Even after, trading online maps against TY and losing to an INno in good form isn't really a case for being weak in the matchup.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 07 2019 22:15 GMT
#32
On January 08 2019 07:01 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2019 22:56 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 07 2019 20:54 Argonauta wrote:
On January 07 2019 17:42 deacon.frost wrote:
Maru's TvT is still his Achille's heel. But I'm impressed he managed to beat his JAGW Nemesis.



Im not sure about it. I feel his weakness are protoss. Sure he lost to INno today but INno played flawlessly and Maru's TvT weakness was proved wrong last GSL when he demolished Gumiho and beat TY in GSL.

The last GSL is the last GSL and if we scratch these two matches he looked shaky before and after.

Well he didn't play any TvT for like six months before those matches against Gumiho and TY so it's difficult to say he looked shaky. Even after, trading online maps against TY and losing to an INno in good form isn't really a case for being weak in the matchup.

Hmm, true that, but then again, he has to have sdome weakness and that's his TvT for me
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Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
January 08 2019 11:11 GMT
#33
HMM we back in 2014 bois Keepo

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HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy831 Posts
January 08 2019 12:50 GMT
#34
On January 08 2019 02:17 BisuDagger wrote:
I have no problem with there being no region lock for qualifiers, but maybe the qualifier name should be changed from NA/EU/etc. to Qualifier #1/#2/#3... It would reduce the confusion as the why Koreans are in a NA event. With the generic Qualifier #1 name you can then specific that this qualifier will be played on the NA server.


Well qualifier name is "NA Server qualifier" "EU server qualifier" etc... nowhere it says european or american qualifier
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19350 Posts
January 08 2019 15:20 GMT
#35
On January 08 2019 21:50 HsDLTitich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2019 02:17 BisuDagger wrote:
I have no problem with there being no region lock for qualifiers, but maybe the qualifier name should be changed from NA/EU/etc. to Qualifier #1/#2/#3... It would reduce the confusion as the why Koreans are in a NA event. With the generic Qualifier #1 name you can then specific that this qualifier will be played on the NA server.


Well qualifier name is "NA Server qualifier" "EU server qualifier" etc... nowhere it says european or american qualifier

I was looking at the calendar names. Right now it reads "EU Final Qualifier". That's where my confusion came from. Thanks for clearing that up!
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
January 08 2019 16:22 GMT
#36
On January 07 2019 20:54 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2019 17:42 deacon.frost wrote:
Maru's TvT is still his Achille's heel. But I'm impressed he managed to beat his JAGW Nemesis.



Im not sure about it. I feel his weakness are protoss. Sure he lost to INno today but INno played flawlessly and Maru's TvT weakness was proved wrong last GSL when he demolished Gumiho and beat TY in GSL.



Whoa, Maru is currently almost unbeatable against protoss...
His weakness is, and always been TvInno (his style is just not effective against the machine). His TvT is fine otherwise, his online results are about even with TY, and he has been crushing weaker Terrans without much issue.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Kurao
Profile Joined April 2018
215 Posts
January 09 2019 08:36 GMT
#37
Really hoping INno can perform better this year, his last year's Katowice run was pretty disappointing.
Enami92
Profile Joined January 2019
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-12 18:24:19
January 11 2019 20:16 GMT
#38
Bot edit.

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EEk1TwEEk
Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation192 Posts
January 15 2019 06:56 GMT
#39
go in INno, it's your time to win Blizzcon
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