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On August 08 2017 12:38 Shellshock wrote:
Rogue is going to win GSL so who cares about this terran argument
Rogue looked really bad against Cure (barely eeeking out a 3-4 win)... Just saying...
And super beatable against Ryung...
I mean maybe you are going to say he plays down to the competition or something...
But people keep telling me that Rogue is looking crazy good, and then I go watch him in Olimoleague, and he looks barely fit for ro16 GSL... [I mean Gumiho has struggled super hard since his Code S victory, and Keen also isn't exactly amazing either these days for Rogue's group]
I mean, he did win both series... so I can't be too critical... And his IEM run was great.
But 2-3 and 3-4 respectively against the likes of Cure and Ryung (and dirty ones at that) makes me really pause in thinking he is at that top tier right now.
Oh for the Ballistix Brawl we should shortly see Stats v Rogue in a Bo3, so that will be a nice little thing. I mean my concern was that Rogue's IEM run is basically Gumiho's GSL run, and the hangover might be similar...
EDIT: Rogue looked great in the Ballistic Cup... Damn...
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On August 08 2017 12:42 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 12:39 curufinwe_wins wrote:On August 08 2017 12:34 pvsnp wrote:
Inno's micro is amazing, it's just that he rarely needs to show it because his style revolves around efficient trades into overwhelming force instead of specific unit control. Now and then he will bust out some incredible splitting against Zerg, but that's about all we typically get to see from him in terms of micro.
Yes, ByuN has the best micro out of the Four Horsemen (though his splitting is actually quite poor), but while Inno's style is less flashy, it wins. Agreed... Inno is, in fact, arguably the only other person who has pulled off ByuN's own builds with similar success (although again Inno doesn't really roll that way very much.) Yep, some of Inno's 2/1/1 pushes just straight up win the game (against ByuL in GSL Season 1 for example) which is something I've really only seen ByuN pull off. I find it mildly interesting that ByuN doesn't try and copy Inno more, for all that he idolizes him. While both of them are usually very aggressive, Inno has shown the ability to sit back and turtle into lategame to great success, while ByuN seems permanently stuck on the early-midgame aggro style.
It's because Byun can't match his sempai's patient Zen mode.
Byun: I WON! I WON!
Inno: Mmm... This snack bar is nourishing.
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On August 08 2017 13:04 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 12:42 pvsnp wrote:On August 08 2017 12:39 curufinwe_wins wrote:On August 08 2017 12:34 pvsnp wrote:
Inno's micro is amazing, it's just that he rarely needs to show it because his style revolves around efficient trades into overwhelming force instead of specific unit control. Now and then he will bust out some incredible splitting against Zerg, but that's about all we typically get to see from him in terms of micro.
Yes, ByuN has the best micro out of the Four Horsemen (though his splitting is actually quite poor), but while Inno's style is less flashy, it wins. Agreed... Inno is, in fact, arguably the only other person who has pulled off ByuN's own builds with similar success (although again Inno doesn't really roll that way very much.) Yep, some of Inno's 2/1/1 pushes just straight up win the game (against ByuL in GSL Season 1 for example) which is something I've really only seen ByuN pull off. I find it mildly interesting that ByuN doesn't try and copy Inno more, for all that he idolizes him. While both of them are usually very aggressive, Inno has shown the ability to sit back and turtle into lategame to great success, while ByuN seems permanently stuck on the early-midgame aggro style. It's because Byun can't match his sempai's patient Zen mode. Byun: I WON! I WON! Inno: Mmm... This snack bar is nourishing.
You mean that ByuN that once choked out HerO (of Liquid fame) out of game with viking-ghost deathball that simply never attacked? Yeah, that was before Blizzard added Tempests and Oracle to actually counter that BS. That game scarred me for life, you know.
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On August 08 2017 13:14 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 13:04 RKC wrote:On August 08 2017 12:42 pvsnp wrote:On August 08 2017 12:39 curufinwe_wins wrote:On August 08 2017 12:34 pvsnp wrote:
Inno's micro is amazing, it's just that he rarely needs to show it because his style revolves around efficient trades into overwhelming force instead of specific unit control. Now and then he will bust out some incredible splitting against Zerg, but that's about all we typically get to see from him in terms of micro.
Yes, ByuN has the best micro out of the Four Horsemen (though his splitting is actually quite poor), but while Inno's style is less flashy, it wins. Agreed... Inno is, in fact, arguably the only other person who has pulled off ByuN's own builds with similar success (although again Inno doesn't really roll that way very much.) Yep, some of Inno's 2/1/1 pushes just straight up win the game (against ByuL in GSL Season 1 for example) which is something I've really only seen ByuN pull off. I find it mildly interesting that ByuN doesn't try and copy Inno more, for all that he idolizes him. While both of them are usually very aggressive, Inno has shown the ability to sit back and turtle into lategame to great success, while ByuN seems permanently stuck on the early-midgame aggro style. It's because Byun can't match his sempai's patient Zen mode. Byun: I WON! I WON! Inno: Mmm... This snack bar is nourishing. You mean that ByuN that once choked out HerO (of Liquid fame) out of game with viking-ghost deathball that simply never attacked? Yeah, that was before Blizzard added Tempests and Oracle to actually counter that BS. That game scarred me for life, you know.
I hate seeing 'toss lose, but that game... so much pleasurable pain...
He needs to do that more often. Clear up his decision making a little bit... Yes he does more per unit than anyone else... But he really needs to clear up that late game transition, and macro a bit.
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On August 08 2017 13:14 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 13:04 RKC wrote:On August 08 2017 12:42 pvsnp wrote:On August 08 2017 12:39 curufinwe_wins wrote:On August 08 2017 12:34 pvsnp wrote:
Inno's micro is amazing, it's just that he rarely needs to show it because his style revolves around efficient trades into overwhelming force instead of specific unit control. Now and then he will bust out some incredible splitting against Zerg, but that's about all we typically get to see from him in terms of micro.
Yes, ByuN has the best micro out of the Four Horsemen (though his splitting is actually quite poor), but while Inno's style is less flashy, it wins. Agreed... Inno is, in fact, arguably the only other person who has pulled off ByuN's own builds with similar success (although again Inno doesn't really roll that way very much.) Yep, some of Inno's 2/1/1 pushes just straight up win the game (against ByuL in GSL Season 1 for example) which is something I've really only seen ByuN pull off. I find it mildly interesting that ByuN doesn't try and copy Inno more, for all that he idolizes him. While both of them are usually very aggressive, Inno has shown the ability to sit back and turtle into lategame to great success, while ByuN seems permanently stuck on the early-midgame aggro style. It's because Byun can't match his sempai's patient Zen mode. Byun: I WON! I WON! Inno: Mmm... This snack bar is nourishing. You mean that ByuN that once choked out HerO (of Liquid fame) out of game with viking-ghost deathball that simply never attacked? Yeah, that was before Blizzard added Tempests and Oracle to actually counter that BS. That game scarred me for life, you know.
Um... that could also mean that he is clueless about late game and unable to close out a won game (ala Kelazhur v TY last weekend)...
Not saying that that was what happened in that game (which I didn't watch) nor that Byun is bad at late-game. But the point is that there are clearly superior late game players for each race (Inno, Dark, Stats), and that Byun isn't one of them. At least not now, in the current meta.
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Fantastic bunch of articles.
Agree that INno and Rogue are the players that have to be avoided the most by far, and loved your honest article about INno.
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So much bias against INno, and so much love of the past.
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