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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
March 27 2017 15:25 GMT
#61
On March 27 2017 18:56 inken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken

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beware the tl thoughts-police...


People are getting banned for either saying dead game, or that stats won using imba tactics. 2nd is disrespectful and 1st one is a meme that's forbidden.
Have a nice day ;)
11BC2
Profile Joined March 2017
4 Posts
March 27 2017 15:46 GMT
#62
I was rooting for soO but placed a small bet on Stats, who imo has been playing much better all year. Add to that soO has had a very difficult time versus Protoss in past finals. Congrats to Stats and condolences to soO. Second place is nothing to sneeze at but he's got to be thinking, "What do I have to do!!!!??".

I'm just a bit curious if soO will take a break, keep playing, switch races, or maybe even find a new game? Wish him the best of luck in the future either way. Dude has got to be devastated right now.
MaximilianKohler
Profile Joined August 2011
122 Posts
March 27 2017 18:05 GMT
#63
Can you guys please keep spoilers out of the titles of front page articles?

I came here yesterday to look at the BW remastered stuff and this thread ruined the finals for me.
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 27 2017 18:40 GMT
#64
Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.

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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1913 Posts
March 27 2017 18:51 GMT
#65
On March 28 2017 00:46 11BC2 wrote:
I was rooting for soO but placed a small bet on Stats, who imo has been playing much better all year. Add to that soO has had a very difficult time versus Protoss in past finals. Congrats to Stats and condolences to soO. Second place is nothing to sneeze at but he's got to be thinking, "What do I have to do!!!!??".

I'm just a bit curious if soO will take a break, keep playing, switch races, or maybe even find a new game? Wish him the best of luck in the future either way. Dude has got to be devastated right now.


soO is fine. Look at his twitter.
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Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain883 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-27 20:14:11
March 27 2017 20:12 GMT
#66
On March 28 2017 03:40 fishjie wrote:
Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.

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Generic toss? Perhaps you should abandon one minute your ridiculous protoss hate and recognize that he is a world-class pro-gamer that has won his first tittle thanks to relentless effort and dedication to develop his talent. Same in case of soO if he had won.
In other words, just show some respect, even if you are not able to appreciate how good he is.
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
March 27 2017 20:25 GMT
#67
Ah good ol' sOO. Never fails to live up to my expectations.
Someone call down the Thunder?
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 28 2017 00:28 GMT
#68
On March 28 2017 05:12 Xamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2017 03:40 fishjie wrote:
Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.

User was warned for this post

Generic toss? Perhaps you should abandon one minute your ridiculous protoss hate and recognize that he is a world-class pro-gamer that has won his first tittle thanks to relentless effort and dedication to develop his talent. Same in case of soO if he had won.
In other words, just show some respect, even if you are not able to appreciate how good he is.


non generic toss players:

MC for being an entertainer
Parting for his bravado
Rain whose gimmick was not having any gimmicks
Duckduck because he cried genuine tears

Yes aside from rain all of them abused whatever at the time to get their wins. Duck was especially egregious example. But they had stuff outside of the game that made them shine. Aside from those guys, the rest of the long list of toss players just blur together for me. i dont hate protoss i used to play toss because 1a was all i could manage mechanically. a win is a win after all. but they are a poorly designed race with force fields and warp ins, and the latest expo seems to have made things worse with gladepts. banning people doesnt really change that fact, people are still gonna vote with their eyeballs by not watching.

soo winning would have been a 100000 times better result since his story is so heartbreaking - now even more so
Beliskner
Profile Joined August 2015
111 Posts
March 28 2017 01:28 GMT
#69
On March 28 2017 09:28 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2017 05:12 Xamo wrote:
On March 28 2017 03:40 fishjie wrote:
Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.

User was warned for this post

Generic toss? Perhaps you should abandon one minute your ridiculous protoss hate and recognize that he is a world-class pro-gamer that has won his first tittle thanks to relentless effort and dedication to develop his talent. Same in case of soO if he had won.
In other words, just show some respect, even if you are not able to appreciate how good he is.


non generic toss players:

MC for being an entertainer
Parting for his bravado
Rain whose gimmick was not having any gimmicks
Duckduck because he cried genuine tears

Yes aside from rain all of them abused whatever at the time to get their wins. Duck was especially egregious example. But they had stuff outside of the game that made them shine. Aside from those guys, the rest of the long list of toss players just blur together for me. i dont hate protoss i used to play toss because 1a was all i could manage mechanically. a win is a win after all. but they are a poorly designed race with force fields and warp ins, and the latest expo seems to have made things worse with gladepts. banning people doesnt really change that fact, people are still gonna vote with their eyeballs by not watching.

soo winning would have been a 100000 times better result since his story is so heartbreaking - now even more so


This is a 'I don't hate black people, I have tons of black friends' tier post, also admitting that you haven't even played LoTV as it 'seems to have made things worse'. People don't seem to be voting with their eyes but with their emotions it seems.... a race that has currently ONE player doing well yet we have like 4-5 top Terrans, but it's probably because of Protoss 'bs' that he wins right?

Race has 4-5 god like players? The hardest race in the game!
Race has 1 good player with the lowest population by far? The EZ race.




Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 28 2017 02:44 GMT
#70
Hey you guys go to the balance whine thread please. Thanks.

Let's instead talk about the genius of SoO to set up for an epic narrative when he wins the GSL in his sixth final! What long term planning. Really generous of him to sacrifice the winning money to give us a more epic story!
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-28 03:55:03
March 28 2017 03:45 GMT
#71
Ah, Rain. Haven't heard that name in a long time but damn he was so legit. Watching him play was simply beautiful; it was clean and precise and inspiring. Still my favorite Protoss by far. Such a shame he retired
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valas991
Profile Joined September 2014
Hungary181 Posts
March 28 2017 07:40 GMT
#72
On March 28 2017 03:05 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Can you guys please keep spoilers out of the titles of front page articles?

I came here yesterday to look at the BW remastered stuff and this thread ruined the finals for me.



Same
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
March 28 2017 20:37 GMT
#73
Kim Dae Yeob hwaiting ~~

I might actually watch this o,o
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-28 21:08:01
March 28 2017 21:06 GMT
#74
Unless you are a huge fan of adepts killing drones or just like to see Stats victory screens I wouldn't recommend watching.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 28 2017 21:36 GMT
#75
I just finished watching it. KT still best KT after all those years even after they disappeared.

Is there a complete VOD because it was cut out just after the GG and couldn't see my man lift the trophy and hear the interveiw.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 28 2017 22:23 GMT
#76
On March 29 2017 06:36 FFW_Rude wrote:
I just finished watching it. KT still best KT after all those years even after they disappeared.

Is there a complete VOD because it was cut out just after the GG and couldn't see my man lift the trophy and hear the interveiw.


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Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
March 28 2017 22:25 GMT
#77
On March 28 2017 12:45 pvsnp wrote:
Ah, Rain. Haven't heard that name in a long time but damn he was so legit. Watching him play was simply beautiful; it was clean and precise and inspiring. Still my favorite Protoss by far. Such a shame he retired

my favorite Protoss ever as well but
1/ he evolved quite a lot as a player and was actually incorporating some all-in play in the later stages of his career, which I in fact liked since it made his game more varied and less abusable.
2/ Stats is extremely legit too. He's less handsome though.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-29 00:37:15
March 29 2017 00:32 GMT
#78
my favorite Protoss ever as well but
1/ he evolved quite a lot as a player and was actually incorporating some all-in play in the later stages of his career, which I in fact liked since it made his game more varied and less abusable.
2/ Stats is extremely legit too. He's less handsome though.

Great to see there are still Rain fans around.
Yeah, he definitely started mixing it up near the end, probably to avoid being blind countered. Like how INnoVation (once and maybe still the most predictable player ever) proxies once in a while. Even super-solid macro players like Dark/Inno/etc throw in some cheese from time to time, but that doesn't detract from their style of playing a flawless game.

Stats...well he's definitely gotten more like Rain in recent times but he still shows a lot of aggression and cheese. I don't think perfect defense is actually his style the way it was Rain's. And of course HotS-toss and LotV-toss have some huge differences, so that limits the comparison even more.
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Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
1986 Posts
March 29 2017 03:37 GMT
#79
I think playing the "perfect defense" style 100% of your games like Rain did and winning tournaments at the highest level is just not possible these days, at least on these maps. Especially PvZ. People get mad about adepts but hell they've got to use them some if they want to win.
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XiZeL
Profile Joined July 2014
Switzerland92 Posts
March 29 2017 09:24 GMT
#80
On March 27 2017 02:19 argonautdice wrote:
lol at Kelazhur shaking his head and Scarlett looking pissed off in the last clip


nice catch. unfortunately i could not watch the games but my reaction was the same as Kelazhur.
But i belive in SoO and he will catch his break. this man cannot be broken!!! he is a god
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