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IEM Gyeonggi Day 3 - INnoVation advances over Dark

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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 06:47:41
December 16 2016 06:46 GMT
#1
After an intense, action-packed couple of opening days, we're finally reaching the business end of the competition. Day 3 featured just a single Best of 5—the first semifinal between (Z)Dark and (T)INnoVation.

After besting the best terran of 2016 in ByuN in yesterday's tight 3-2 quarterfinal win, Dark was confronted by the terran of the moment in INnoVation for today's semifinal. While bio-mine was the story in the Ro.8, today's clash was all about INnoVation's mech power.

Game 1 lay down a template for the whole series—a cyclone-hellion opener for INnoVation that transitioned straight into full-blown mech. Dark's response was immediate—a roach counter that significantly delayed the terran from powering up, before adding vipers. Abducts and blinding cloud tore apart the terran forces as Dark drew first blood. It wasn't long before INnoVation evened things up though; hitting an earlier pre-viper timing on Vaani and rolling through off his unstoppable macro prowess, and game 3 on Daybreak was just the same.

Finally, down on match point, Dark showed signs of adapting to his opponent. Early infestors on Habitation Station proved to be the change he needed, with some burrowed fungals catching out INnoVation's whole initial cyclone force. The terran never quite recovered, with Dark harassing all over the map with pockets of burrowed roaches before one crucial blinding cloud on all of INnoVation's clumped tanks allowed the mass roach pack to close the distance and send us to a final deciding set on Whirlwind.

All the prophesies of a lengthy macro decider proved to be false, however , as INnoVation's early cyclone-hellbat push functioned as planned for the first time in the series. With Dark committing a pack of lings to an overlord drop that never reached its destination, INnoVation's army proved too much for a minimal defence with ling-bane and queens. INnoVation advances to the IEM Gyeonggi Finals to face one of ByuL or Stats on Sunday afternoon.






Semifinal #2 between (P)Stats and (Z)ByuL will be played tomorrow in


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Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
December 16 2016 06:59 GMT
#2
TvZ final pleeeeeease
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PaztheLobster
Profile Joined September 2013
Philippines25 Posts
December 16 2016 07:01 GMT
#3
I am so salty with Dark's loss. Was cheering for him so hard!
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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 16 2016 07:07 GMT
#4
Great games The passion is coming back
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
hiroshOne
Profile Joined October 2015
Poland425 Posts
December 16 2016 07:16 GMT
#5
Moar buffs for mech is clearly needed. As mech is so underpowered vs Zerg. Kappa

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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 16 2016 07:31 GMT
#6
On December 16 2016 16:16 hiroshOne wrote:
Moar buffs for mech is clearly needed. As mech is so underpowered vs Zerg. Kappa

Dude you do nothing but whine about balance and Zerg UP in almost every post. Is it a full time job or something? lol
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
December 16 2016 07:38 GMT
#7
On December 16 2016 16:31 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 16:16 hiroshOne wrote:
Moar buffs for mech is clearly needed. As mech is so underpowered vs Zerg. Kappa

Dude you do nothing but whine about balance and Zerg UP in almost every post. Is it a full time job or something? lol

It´s funny to see how the whine switches races in a day
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 16 2016 07:43 GMT
#8
On December 16 2016 16:38 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 16:31 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On December 16 2016 16:16 hiroshOne wrote:
Moar buffs for mech is clearly needed. As mech is so underpowered vs Zerg. Kappa

Dude you do nothing but whine about balance and Zerg UP in almost every post. Is it a full time job or something? lol

It´s funny to see how the whine switches races in a day

haha touche. Not in every post though :p
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Maxim
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany10 Posts
December 16 2016 08:06 GMT
#9
Well, I also think that there is no strong counter for the Cyclone right now. I watched the games and I think the amount of Cyclones terran can get out of 2 factories can hardly be matched by a Zerg without falling behind in economy (although I haven't considered spines and I'm not sure how Cyclones do vs spines).
I really felt for Dark when I saw his different approaches on how to deal with them failed
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16086 Posts
December 16 2016 08:20 GMT
#10
On December 16 2016 17:06 Maxim wrote:
Well, I also think that there is no strong counter for the Cyclone right now. I watched the games and I think the amount of Cyclones terran can get out of 2 factories can hardly be matched by a Zerg without falling behind in economy (although I haven't considered spines and I'm not sure how Cyclones do vs spines).
I really felt for Dark when I saw his different approaches on how to deal with them failed

in the games he won he dealt with them pretty well
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
December 16 2016 10:30 GMT
#11
I just dont understand why no spire, why dark? why????
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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 16 2016 10:52 GMT
#12
On December 16 2016 17:06 Maxim wrote:
Well, I also think that there is no strong counter for the Cyclone right now. I watched the games and I think the amount of Cyclones terran can get out of 2 factories can hardly be matched by a Zerg without falling behind in economy (although I haven't considered spines and I'm not sure how Cyclones do vs spines).
I really felt for Dark when I saw his different approaches on how to deal with them failed

The nail biting series of today where where the winner was decided in the last game?
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
December 16 2016 11:17 GMT
#13
On December 16 2016 17:06 Maxim wrote:
Well, I also think that there is no strong counter for the Cyclone right now. I watched the games and I think the amount of Cyclones terran can get out of 2 factories can hardly be matched by a Zerg without falling behind in economy (although I haven't considered spines and I'm not sure how Cyclones do vs spines).
I really felt for Dark when I saw his different approaches on how to deal with them failed



This post makes me sad, because once again some people fail to see how good INnoVation is, and why he's at the top for almost 4 years, his macro and build refining is on par to none, he always led the TvZ meta and he IS a superior player.

So he wins 3-2 against Dark, and then it's the balance fault? gimme a break!

The funniest part is if Dark had won, some other fucktards will be ranting about new banelings or hydras or burrowed infestors being unbeatable

Stop being an idiot and see the skill of the player instead of looking desperatly for a balance issue to blame.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Aquila Magna
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Germany38 Posts
December 16 2016 12:29 GMT
#14
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On December 16 2016 20:17 Gwavajuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 17:06 Maxim wrote:
Well, I also think that there is no strong counter for the Cyclone right now. I watched the games and I think the amount of Cyclones terran can get out of 2 factories can hardly be matched by a Zerg without falling behind in economy (although I haven't considered spines and I'm not sure how Cyclones do vs spines).
I really felt for Dark when I saw his different approaches on how to deal with them failed



This post makes me sad, because once again some people fail to see how good INnoVation is, and why he's at the top for almost 4 years, his macro and build refining is on par to none, he always led the TvZ meta and he IS a superior player.

So he wins 3-2 against Dark, and then it's the balance fault? gimme a break!

The funniest part is if Dark had won, some other fucktards will be ranting about new banelings or hydras or burrowed infestors being unbeatable

Stop being an idiot and see the skill of the player instead of looking desperatly for a balance issue to blame.


Thank you sir. I sooooo second this.
Semper fidelis.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
December 16 2016 12:33 GMT
#15
Man, why do they have to air this shit so early in the evening.... I wanted to see this match.... stupid job.... stupid rent.... stupid life.....
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PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
December 16 2016 12:41 GMT
#16
Great games
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
December 16 2016 13:05 GMT
#17
I really wish these high level tournaments were on at a reasonable hour for EST
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Eiltonn
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany307 Posts
December 16 2016 13:13 GMT
#18
On December 16 2016 20:17 Gwavajuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 17:06 Maxim wrote:
Well, I also think that there is no strong counter for the Cyclone right now. I watched the games and I think the amount of Cyclones terran can get out of 2 factories can hardly be matched by a Zerg without falling behind in economy (although I haven't considered spines and I'm not sure how Cyclones do vs spines).
I really felt for Dark when I saw his different approaches on how to deal with them failed



This post makes me sad, because once again some people fail to see how good INnoVation is, and why he's at the top for almost 4 years, his macro and build refining is on par to none, he always led the TvZ meta and he IS a superior player.

So he wins 3-2 against Dark, and then it's the balance fault? gimme a break!

The funniest part is if Dark had won, some other fucktards will be ranting about new banelings or hydras or burrowed infestors being unbeatable

Stop being an idiot and see the skill of the player instead of looking desperatly for a balance issue to blame.


Innovation is an amazing player. But i remember reading an article here on TL claiming that he can only be truly succesful when meta favors him (Terran) and that he then goes on to destroy everything. Not 100% sure if thats right but cyclones look so retarded in the current game iteration. I havent been following SC2 too closely since LOTV but to me the new cyclone looks like a fking Warhound. I really cant say im happy about the games design lately. Also Blinding Cloud still seems to be quite a retarded ability design wise.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 13:46:41
December 16 2016 13:46 GMT
#19
shit, I was waiting for the vods to be released on sc2links but got spoilered anyway :/
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 16 2016 13:47 GMT
#20
So was the quarter final the final or was the semi final the final?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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