EPTThe Most Loathsome PatchZergs of All Time - Page 7
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On March 18 2016 07:11 BeStFAN wrote: any Zerg that unironically made roaches in WoL/hots TvZ is a patchzerg through and through bonus points if they were high ranked in ladder but never placed in tournaments Foreign zergs generally gravitate more to this style of play. Patchzergs, SH-turtle, all the most cancerous zerg playstyles are foreign. I blame Idra and beta-WoL to early WoL zergs. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
lol. Naniwa was the Idra of Protoss | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote: PatchToss: Arthur PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking ur joking right? Flash? | ||
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Jintoss
Hong Kong117 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
1 of the 2 times he reached ro16 in GSL, it was on the back of thor/hellbat and Nimbus | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On March 18 2016 07:35 Ej_ wrote: 1 of the 2 times he reached ro16 in GSL, it was on the back of thor/hellbat and Nimbus He played only 1 game on Nimbus that season. That's the reason he didn't get to the Ro8.  He also made the Ro16 4 times  Though it's rather undeniable that when he was looking really good in 2013 it was quite hellbatish. Then again everyone was using hellbats like crazy back then. Zergs were wishing neural parasite was better so they could mass hellbats themselves. In 2015 his best results were based on mech (hellbats again?!) and the best TvP of his SC2 career (however that happend). | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I dont actually hold negative connotations with the word PatchTerran like I do with MarineKing. In Flash's case all of his big successes came off of meta shifts where the standard Terran meta was more favorable against other races. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15929 Posts
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote: PatchToss: Arthur PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking Also Maru | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Maru was too good during blink era. to count. | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote: Maru was too good during blink era. to count. Yeah I wish he stopped being good at some point. But nope, had to stay top 3 Terran the entire time. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15929 Posts
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote: Maru was too good during blink era. to count. wait... the other ones were serious? | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence. It wasn't atrocious like some of the players on this list, but they kinda fit the definition of Patchterran anyway. And stu said he didn't mean it in a negative way (except for MarineKing). | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15929 Posts
On March 18 2016 07:50 Elentos wrote: It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence. INnoVation was the only terran who was in a GSL finals for all of HotS (and he did it 3 times) and 1 out of 2 terrans who won a premier tournament in 2015. There are hardly players who deserve the term patch"something" less than him. if the meta looked good for terran when he won it was because he made the meta look favorable for terran | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
The only meta that was bad for Inno that he did well in briefly was BL/infestor. Flash/Inno peak in 2013 coincided with Hellbat and MMMM. Once those fell off he got beat by duckdeok. Flash/Inno peak in 2014 coincided with the buff of thors, rebuff of mines, and nerf of Blink Era. They fall after Zerg/Protoss get used to meta. Flash/Inno peak in 2015 coincided with nerf of SH, rise of mech. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
But Sniper is too real that I cannot deny that. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
Thus, by definition that eliminates most of the greats (e.g. Leenock, who won across several years) though all of them benefited when their race was strong (including Life, Mvp, etc.) Patch Terrans / Toss would probably be those lesser-known, GSL Ro16, Ro8 players who had no business being in the GSL at all but had a fortunate patch | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On March 18 2016 07:53 Charoisaur wrote: INnoVation was the only terran who was in a GSL finals for all of HotS (and he did it 3 times) and 1 out of 2 terrans who won a premier tournament in 2015. There are hardly players who deserve the term patch"something" less than him. if the meta looked good for terran when he won it was because he made the meta look favorable for terran So when he does well in a favorable meta, the meta looks favorable because of him; but when he doesn't do well in an unfavorable meta (blink), it's because of the meta? So what about when the meta looked neither favorable nor unfavorable for Terran and Inno did average? Well I guess he's allowed to fall off every now and then. His best tournament finishes in WoL are like the complete opposite of being a Patchterran, but his best HotS results coincide with good Terran metas and patches more than I as a fan would like to admit. Like if you compare Inno to your joke example Maru: Inno's GSL results go up and down massively per season, including a full dropout, while Maru's are consistent as hell. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15929 Posts
On March 18 2016 08:04 Elentos wrote: So when he does well in a favorable meta, the meta looks favorable because of him; but when he doesn't do well in an unfavorable meta (blink), it's because of the meta? So what about when the meta looked neither favorable nor unfavorable for Terran and Inno did average? Well I guess he's allowed to fall off every now and then. His best tournament finishes in WoL are like the complete opposite of being a Patchterran, but his best HotS results coincide with good Terran metas and patches more than I as a fan would like to admit. there was only 1 terran who got to the GSL finals in all of HotS. And he did it not 1 time, not 2 times but 3 times. If you think someone who does that far better then every other player of his race I don't know what to say to you. It's like saying NesTea is a patchzerg. | ||
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