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Sonic sued for fraud (Update Jan 11) - Page 6

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Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
December 24 2015 06:56 GMT
#101
On December 20 2015 04:05 HornyHerring wrote:
Geez, why does everything have to be shady like that over there?

Business is shady by nature. It's like asking why politics has to be shady.
6 trillion
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
December 24 2015 12:51 GMT
#102
RIP bw scene
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19256 Posts
December 24 2015 13:12 GMT
#103
On December 24 2015 21:51 Superouman wrote:
RIP bw scene

Wow. Haven't seen that kind of post in forever. Kind of makes me nostalgic for all those years of ded game bashing SC1. /sarcasmOff. The Brood War scene is far from danger at this point. Sonic rebuilt BW yes, but Kongdoo and Afreeca are the bulls pulling the wagon right now. The super high korean viewership numbers and continuing flow of returning BW legends is a great indicator that things are going to be alright.
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aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
December 24 2015 13:20 GMT
#104
On December 24 2015 22:12 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2015 21:51 Superouman wrote:
RIP bw scene

Wow. Haven't seen that kind of post in forever. Kind of makes me nostalgic for all those years of ded game bashing SC1. /sarcasmOff. The Brood War scene is far from danger at this point. Sonic rebuilt BW yes, but Kongdoo and Afreeca are the bulls pulling the wagon right now. The super high korean viewership numbers and continuing flow of returning BW legends is a great indicator that things are going to be alright.

Organization problems? Dead gaem
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50323 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 13:30:18
December 24 2015 13:25 GMT
#105
why the smiley face?

but no sonic essentially left the BW scene after September we're still standing so yeah say what you will but dead game it is not.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 24 2015 14:18 GMT
#106
On December 24 2015 22:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
why the smiley face?

but no sonic essentially left the BW scene after September we're still standing so yeah say what you will but dead game it is not.

When is a game considered dead anyway? Even WC3 can't be considered dead, it has huge prizemoney tournaments in china even if streams barely pull viewers on twitch.tv
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50323 Posts
December 24 2015 14:32 GMT
#107
To be honest I don't really know, all I can tell is is that BW isnt.
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207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
December 24 2015 15:55 GMT
#108
On December 24 2015 23:18 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2015 22:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
why the smiley face?

but no sonic essentially left the BW scene after September we're still standing so yeah say what you will but dead game it is not.

When is a game considered dead anyway? Even WC3 can't be considered dead, it has huge prizemoney tournaments in china even if streams barely pull viewers on twitch.tv


According to all the shitposters on reddit (that have leaked onto TL over the last few years), anything that isn't LoL, DotA2, CSGO or passionstone is a dead game... so yeah.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
December 25 2015 12:57 GMT
#109
On December 24 2015 08:26 RoninKenshin wrote:
Fraud is wrongful or criminal deception, defined by malicious intent from the beginning in most countries. I don't know Korean law, but there should be no reason for Sonic to stand in front of criminal court for his actions. His company would stand in front of civil court for not upholding his contract, and his company would be responsible for the debt, with the assets of the company being seized for payment, and likely going bankrupt in the process. If he didn't create a corporation, it's possible that he could be responsible for the debt himself, and be forced to declare bankruptcy, with the possible of portions of the debt still following him after that. If he did something like borrow money to manufacture the shoes and then made the shoes but rather spent the money, then that would be fraud and he could possibly see jail time.

The reason why he doesn't have money to pay back the manufacturers is because he spent it all. He suddenly had a huge influx of cash, and decided that SBENU was bigger than it was, and created an insane amount of overhead. He leased very expensive and large stores when he could have just distributed his shoes through any other store. He hired a LOT of A-list (in Korea) celebrities to advertise his shoes, when he should have just either used only one or instagram models or something. I understand hiring one A-list to get SBENU's name out, but anything following that up is redundant, and also just makes the branding confusing. Maybe he just wanted to party with the girls or something.

Finally, for the reason why we love him, he haphazardly sponsored everything Starcraft. Let's be honest here. Every dollar he put into Starcraft probably saw zero return, or a few cents at the most. IU commercials gave him infinitely more relevant exposure than all the Starcraft leagues and tournaments in the world. He sponsored out of love for the game, but he should have really slowed down and done it at a stable pace, not one that assumes initial growth will be constant.

All of these expenses are stupid, but legal and on board. There's no criminal element to them. Obviously he had his splurges: parties and expensive things and an expensive girlfriend. Every company does this though. The problem was the massive monthly overhead that he had (and likely the margins were pretty low looking at the revenue vs profit).


No idea if sbenu was a limited liability corporation. Also, either way Korean law could be quite different (and somehow harsher in my imagination), even in Canada/U.S. personal bankruptcies are a bitch to deal with, subject to prolonged partial debt repayment plans, wage garnishments, and prosecutors usually try their hardest to drag out the process and make it as painful as they can for you, in hopes of getting more of the money owed.

From my limited knowledge, the Korean judicial system seems more punitive than rehabilitative (in comparison to Canada), so Sonic... good luck. $30 million USD is no joke.
Dansickle
Profile Joined November 2009
177 Posts
December 25 2015 14:32 GMT
#110
Interview with Sonic came out last night, if anyone is interested. I'll try to translate some of the highlights when I'm not busy this weekend.

http://m.wikitree.co.kr/main/news_view.php?id=244273
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50323 Posts
December 26 2015 07:59 GMT
#111
On December 25 2015 23:32 Dansickle wrote:
Interview with Sonic came out last night, if anyone is interested. I'll try to translate some of the highlights when I'm not busy this weekend.

http://m.wikitree.co.kr/main/news_view.php?id=244273

Please do.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
December 26 2015 08:20 GMT
#112
Wikitree is an unreliable source, much like Wikipedia. There is no designated "Reporter".
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
January 01 2016 11:24 GMT
#113
Updates on the topic?

I remember the deadline was due to yesterday or SBENU will be owned by another organization. Did Sonic pay what he has to or was SBENU sold?
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
January 02 2016 15:24 GMT
#114
http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=starcraft_new&no=4051936&page=1&search_pos=-4025760&s_type=search_name&s_keyword=부산공장

http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=starcraft_new&no=4052862&page=1

Link 1: the case went to court.

Link 2 : recordings that manufactures revealed. According to this, it was SBENU that sold shoes to warehouses arbitrarily.


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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
January 02 2016 17:16 GMT
#115
Link 2 : recordings that manufactures revealed. According to this, it was SBENU that sold shoes to warehouses arbitrarily.



So... according to what you said earlier... was it Sonic or the manufacturer who sold the shoes to warehouses arbitrarily?
OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
January 11 2016 00:50 GMT
#116
Update on sonic: http://gall.dcinside.com/starcraft_new/4070963
Fraud confirmed.
Sonic currently on the lam
Sbenu currently the hot keyword of korean portal sites
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
January 11 2016 00:53 GMT
#117
So do we need a Team 7 as well as a Team 8 in proleague now or do SBENU have to get the sweet StarTale "We need a sponsor" jumpers back out?
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OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
January 11 2016 00:56 GMT
#118
On January 11 2016 09:53 showstealer1829 wrote:
So do we need a Team 7 as well as a Team 8 in proleague now or do SBENU have to get the sweet StarTale "We need a sponsor" jumpers back out?

http://gall.dcinside.com/starcraft_new/4033934 Think they already had them on since December
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BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
January 11 2016 00:58 GMT
#119
... sonic
❤ BeSt... ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ #YEAROFKOMA #YEAROFKOMA #YEAROFKOMA ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
January 11 2016 01:22 GMT
#120
Run Sonic run!
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