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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Though he doesn't fit into their style of playing, acquiring him as a teacher for Creator would be AWESOME, as well as helping Maru with one of his greatest weaknesses. | ||
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:25 SC2Toastie wrote: Jin Air Rain :D? Though he doesn't fit into their style of playing, acquiring him as a teacher for Creator would be AWESOME, as well as helping Maru with one of his greatest weaknesses. He will be going back to SKT1 the only team he can play for in proleague due to him leaving early | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:26 SNSeigifried wrote: He will be going back to SKT1 the only team he can play for in proleague due to him leaving early Do you really want to go back to a team that screwed you over? | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:26 SNSeigifried wrote: He will be going back to SKT1 the only team he can play for in proleague due to him leaving early Is there confirmation or is this just a very good assumption? | ||
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BeStFAN
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:30 The_Templar wrote: Is there confirmation or is this just a very good assumption? Very good assumption for now | ||
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DCStarcraftGall
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stuchiu
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partydude89
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Didn't SKT1 confirm their lineup already? | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Unless Kespa did actually create a 8²th team and convinced SKT to let Rain play there (and he would totally fit as a protoss leader for such team), I see him either staying teamless till WCS is clear and someone picks him up or follow flash into the army. On December 15 2015 09:36 partydude89 wrote: Didn't SKT1 confirm their lineup already? Yes, they did. But what stopes them from picking up another player? ProLeague has not begun, thus registration for Season 1 should still be open and rosters could still be changed. But why should SKT want him? They got Dark, INnoVation, Dream, Classic and soO. For a Bo5 League, more then enough. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:30 ZAiNs wrote: Do you really want to go back to a team that screwed you over? I don't think it's a question of "want" at this point. He's a quality player and he would expect a quality salary, but what team would pay him a good salary if he can't play PL for 4 years? So... no good team, no PL, no foreign tournaments... if he doesn't qualify for GSL or SSL, he literally has no career for 3+ months. | ||
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20-Minute-Jackal
United States336 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:30 ZAiNs wrote: Do you really want to go back to a team that screwed you over? How did SKT screw Rain over? | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
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GinDo
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Also how did SKT screw him? | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Apparently he cannot play in proleague for the next 4 years except if it's for SKT. The same applies to Parting, Soulkey and Fantasy. Parting was in total beast mode earlier this year (95% PvT ~_~) and his team would have done much better if he was allowed to play. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
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Kofuku
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On December 15 2015 10:01 pure.Wasted wrote: Hey DCGall if you're lurking around somewhere, where do Korean viewers stand on the whole "Rain/PartinG not allowed to proleague for 5 years" thing? Do they share Western sentiment that this ruling is draconian and anti-fun, or do they think it's reasonable? I'm also interested in this. If I recall correctly there's a similar system in place for Korean and Japanese baseball players, where if they leave domestic leagues before a certain age they're banned from returning to Korea/Japan and competing in domestic leagues for like ten years or something (to prevent the drain of top young domestic talent to foreign leagues right away). So maybe the Proleague restriction also doesn't seem so offensive since there's that context to compare it to there. | ||
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Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
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MiniFotToss
China2430 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:30 ZAiNs wrote: Do you really want to go back to a team that screwed you over? he left SKT, SKT didn't screw him over | ||
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MiniFotToss
China2430 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:36 Clonester wrote: No Kespa team will pick him up, as he is not allowed to play in ProLeague for another team then SKT. Unless Kespa did actually create a 8²th team and convinced SKT to let Rain play there (and he would totally fit as a protoss leader for such team), I see him either staying teamless till WCS is clear and someone picks him up or follow flash into the army. Yes, they did. But what stopes them from picking up another player? ProLeague has not begun, thus registration for Season 1 should still be open and rosters could still be changed. But why should SKT want him? They got Dark, INnoVation, Dream, Classic and soO. For a Bo5 League, more then enough. If Rain goes back to SKT, he WILL replace Classic as top protoss, he ALWAYS delivers for SKT in proleague | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
But then if SKT continue barring him from SPL I dunno what he'll do.  | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 15 2015 11:02 MiniFotToss wrote: he left SKT, SKT didn't screw him over It may be partly Rain's fault, but SKT did screw him. The punishment is very harsh, TBH I doubt SKT would even want him back if they were willing to throw the book at him, so he maybe got banned from Proleague. They also did the same to Fantasy, Parting and Soulkey... At the time I read there were disagreements between some of the staff (maybe Oov) and those players, so clearly something not good happened in the SKT house, and SKT took things further. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:30 The_Templar wrote: Is there confirmation or is this just a very good assumption? Probably just a very very good assumption | ||
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NyxNax
United States227 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:34 stuchiu wrote: My guess is he wanted to stay on mYi, but region lock of IEM/DH meant it was bad for both Rain and mYi to stick together? But didnt he have an athletic visa? | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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NyxNax
United States227 Posts
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swissman777
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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sh0ck
United States52 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:36 Clonester wrote: Yes, they did. But what stopes them from picking up another player? ProLeague has not begun, thus registration for Season 1 should still be open and rosters could still be changed. But why should SKT want him? They got Dark, INnoVation, Dream, Classic and soO. For a Bo5 League, more then enough. If Rain did re-sign with SKT, I have no doubt he would be in in the core rotation, and could share ace matches with Inno and soO (he was ridiculously clutch as SKT's ace, almost singlehandedly carrying them through the 2014 playoffs) but I agree with you, unless Proleague moves to Bo7 format, I don't see a reason why SKT would re-sign him. It's more than overkill. I hope with all hope that he joins a KeSPA team and is allowed to play in Proleague. Any team besides SKT and KT could really use him. My dream scenario would be Rain, Soulkey, and Fantasy headlining some sort of 8th-team. On December 15 2015 12:02 ZAiNs wrote: I just realised there is a chance my favourite player will retire (and in good shape) because of WCS.......................... I've been posting my worries about this for the past few days. I'm especially worried that he tweeted "thank you for all those years" - years, plural, when he's only been on mYi for a year. Heres to hoping that was just a language barrier typo, and that he's leaving mYi for another team, and not retirement. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
 ) BUT I think, under the circumstances, it seems likely that he will go play for another foreign team.Of course, that's under the assumption that he views it as bad that he even has this ban on playing. I don't know if Koreans actually in on the behind-the-scenes of the team view it as a punishment, rather than standard practice when leaving a premier team before the termination of a contract. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
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ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
"I`ll take a rest for a while, thinking about future plan." | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 15 2015 14:43 Thouhastmail wrote: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=311&article_id=0000554597 "I`ll take a rest for a while, thinking about future plan." Is it implying retirement? Or that he's waiting for WCS news? | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 15 2015 14:46 ZAiNs wrote: Is it implying retirement? Or that he's waiting for WCS news? He implied nothing of the sort; literally, he`ll take a rest. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On December 15 2015 14:52 Thouhastmail wrote: He implied nothing of the sort; literally, he`ll take a rest. Her certainly didn't exclude the possibility, either. Often, players say they will "take a rest," which turns out to be indefinite. If you think about it, it would be surprising, but not entirely shocking, if he retired. He had a (fairly) successful career as a BW player, has killed it in SC2, but can't really play in PL unless he goes back to SKT1. I really hope he doesn't retire, but it's definitely not out of the question. | ||
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sh0ck
United States52 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:36 Clonester wrote: No Kespa team will pick him up, as he is not allowed to play in ProLeague for another team then SKT. Unless Kespa did actually create a 8²th team and convinced SKT to let Rain play there (and he would totally fit as a protoss leader for such team). I'd like to see that happening, but I figure he'll go back to SKT. He has few options at this point. | ||
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PepsiMaxxxx
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Wrath
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 15 2015 10:01 pure.Wasted wrote: Hey DCGall if you're lurking around somewhere, where do Korean viewers stand on the whole "Rain/PartinG not allowed to proleague for 5 years" thing? Do they share Western sentiment that this ruling is draconian and anti-fun, or do they think it's reasonable? Ambivalent. Without 5-year-rule, there`s no way to stop those two Telecom teams from sweeping talented players from this scene, which will break the equilibrium; teams on low budgets cannot protect their players nor get any transfer fee. However, considering T1`s overwhelming strength, Koreans think that it`d be better to make an exception for this case. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 15 2015 09:57 ZAiNs wrote: Apparently he cannot play in proleague for the next 4 years except if it's for SKT. The same applies to Parting, Soulkey and Fantasy. Parting was in total beast mode earlier this year (95% PvT ~_~) and his team would have done much better if he was allowed to play. Wait wtf when did this happen? | ||
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Wrath
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It happened when they all left SKT. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Breach of the contract i think. Oh. I'm a cake | ||
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nanaoei
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Wrath
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On December 15 2015 16:35 FFW_Rude wrote: Breach of the contract i think. Oh. I'm a cake Happy Birthday Edit: Can a mod please fix the URL in the OP? It so annoying that you have to "Quote" to see the URL because it was not included in a BBcode... | ||
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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neptunusfisk
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On December 15 2015 09:57 ZAiNs wrote: Apparently he cannot play in proleague for the next 4 years except if it's for SKT. The same applies to Parting, Soulkey and Fantasy. Parting was in total beast mode earlier this year (95% PvT ~_~) and his team would have done much better if he was allowed to play. he wouldnt have that winrate if he played in proleague tho | ||
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20-Minute-Jackal
United States336 Posts
On December 15 2015 14:43 Thouhastmail wrote: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=311&article_id=0000554597 "I`ll take a rest for a while, thinking about future plan." Please don't take a Soulkey length break from esports or retire, Rain. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
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Dungeontay
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Still see it as a cheap way of letting foreigners attend at Blizzcon. Kinda sad for myi as well | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 15 2015 15:07 sh0ck wrote: Well, this sucks. Can't really see him returning back to SC2 full time after his break; he'll be so far behind on LOTV practice by that point. I don't think that's really a concern. When Kespa switched to SC2 they were years behind and Rain won OSL and came 2nd in GSL within around 6 months of switching .On December 15 2015 17:48 neptunusfisk wrote: he wouldnt have that winrate if he played in proleague tho Yea, but it still could have easily been 85%+. First 7 months of this year: Under these filters, PartinG is 71–12 (85.54%) in games and 29–1 (96.67%) in matches. and vs Koreans only: Under these filters, PartinG is 61–10 (85.92%) in games and 24–1 (96.00%) in matches. | ||
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Johan-ae
Sweden58 Posts
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JonnySC2
Germany119 Posts
I doubt that any Korean team would pick up a player that cant play in PL. Only way we could see him in Korea is SKT picks him up or KeSPA decides to break their on rules and puts him on some sort of a 8th team. | ||
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insitelol
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JonnySC2
Germany119 Posts
On December 15 2015 21:42 insitelol wrote: Btw there is still one team slot left in PL. any rumors? There is no team that could potentially fill the void at the moment, so I guess almost everyone is expecting KeSPA to create a new 8th team. But nothing official yet. Guess we have to wait for PL Media Day. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 15 2015 21:42 insitelol wrote: Btw there is still one team slot left in PL. any rumors? All I've heard is TB saying Axiom was going to play in Proleague until his situation got worse and Axiom disbanded. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44052 Posts
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JonnySC2
Germany119 Posts
On December 16 2015 00:19 showstealer1829 wrote: I'm sad for mYi and Rain but this isn't one to stick on the supposed region lock. Rain was playing in the GSL anyway. If IEMs, Dreamhacks etc. are region locked it doesn't make any sense for mYi to have Rain on their roster, so it maybe is because of the region lock rumours. | ||
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ktFlash_fans
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RewardedFool
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Ctesias
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NyxNax
United States227 Posts
On December 15 2015 17:29 OtherWorld wrote: CJ.Rain god id LOVE to see Rain on CJ, but unless Kespa, er SKT will let him play I dont see it happening. Such a long ban in esports... So Lame. | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
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iamkaokao
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
Theory: These guys just can't stand it anymore. They have enough star-power to make it without SKT (or so we thought ... ?). Something is bothering them so bad, that they would rather leave SKT (before contract and screw their Proleague opportunities), leave their guaranteed-spot and guaranteed retirement + Show Spoiler [tangent] + (e.g. like Reach had with KTF) Oov is a backbreaking overly-demanding boss who's too harsh, strict, and extreme with his players (even by Asian-parent standards). Evidence: Sure, it might be because how they feel about SC2 right now, rather than the manager's fault - but I never remember this sort of 'string of top players willing to breach their contract to leave a team' under any other head-coach. Oov's demeanour looked that way when I saw him. IRL he was very stern, intimidating, and cold. If I had a boss whose body-language and way-of-relating was like his, I'd be very scared of disappointing him. Which'd screw me, because his standards are likely impossibly high. Mother Love >> Strict Boss Ofc this is my favorite finals, so I'll link it every chance I get, but I feel it's really telling. Jaedong's just gone 0:2 → 2:2, and his mom is going crazy with support. The two SKT coaches take FanTaSy aside to have a word. What stands out to me is how long and stern the talk was, and the giant contrast in body-language. Look at 14:05. FanTaSy's totally meek, and oov is socially domineering. Now imagine that situation, without the more personal/heartfelt touch of coach Park there. I'm suggesting it's down to person-problems and team dynamics, with no one there to balance-out oov. Used to be Boxer ffs ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/ADD/4.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Linking Fomos Disclaimer] + Yes I know we're not meant to link Fomos, but this was hosted by Plexa and posted on TL in 2009 before that ban, so http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/final-edits/92605-a-deadly-dynasty And this right here is why I keep coming back to StarCraft - what was going-on behind the scenes? Who are the personalities behind the names, what are they like as people? I'm overjoyed to have briefly met FanTaSy (while still on SKT with Rain and Parting, August 2014), and my fandom/life can be complete if I ever get to unravel the dynamics going on in those shots. | ||
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JonnySC2
Germany119 Posts
On December 18 2015 22:22 bITt.mAN wrote: Ok, here goes some mad theorycrafting/borderline-slander based off a few clips and 1 encounter. Theory: These guys just can't stand it anymore. They have enough star-power to make it without SKT (or so we thought ... ?). Something is bothering them so bad, that they would rather leave SKT (before contract and screw their Proleague opportunities), leave their guaranteed-spot and guaranteed retirement + Show Spoiler [tangent] + (e.g. like Reach had with KTF) Oov is a backbreaking overly-demanding boss who's too harsh, strict, and extreme with his players (even by Asian-parent standards). Evidence: Sure, it might be because how they feel about SC2 right now, rather than the manager's fault - but I never remember this sort of 'string of top players willing to breach their contract to leave a team' under any other head-coach. Oov's demeanour looked that way when I saw him. IRL he was very stern, intimidating, and cold. If I had a boss whose body-language and way-of-relating was like his, I'd be very scared of disappointing him. Which'd screw me, because his standards are likely impossibly high. Mother Love >> Strict Boss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0APaJEDkBs&t=722 Ofc this is my favorite finals, so I'll link it every chance I get, but I feel it's really telling. Jaedong's just gone 0:2 → 2:2, and his mom is going crazy with support. The two SKT coaches take FanTaSy aside to have a word. What stands out to me is how long and stern the talk was, and the giant contrast in body-language. Look at 14:05. FanTaSy's totally meek, and oov is socially domineering. Now imagine that situation, without the more personal/heartfelt touch of coach Park there. I'm suggesting it's down to person-problems and team dynamics, with no one there to balance-out oov. Used to be Boxer ffs + Show Spoiler [Linking Fomos Disclaimer] + Yes I know we're not meant to link Fomos, but this was hosted by Plexa and posted on TL in 2009 before that ban, so http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/final-edits/92605-a-deadly-dynasty And this right here is why I keep coming back to StarCraft - what was going-on behind the scenes? Who are the personalities behind the names, what are they like as people? I'm overjoyed to have briefly met FanTaSy (while still on SKT with Rain and Parting, August 2014), and my fandom/life can be complete if I ever get to unravel the dynamics going on in those shots. Really interesting theory and in a general a really fascinating topic. Its kinda sad that there is so little information about how the relationships between the players/coaches really are behind the scenes. But in this case it never looked like SKT had any team chemistry issues, atleast judging from the videos and photos they post on YouTube and Twitter/Facebook. | ||
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Elentos
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I mean, he started tearing up on stage after the Proleague finals telling all his players what they mean to him, especially the ones who don't get regular playtime. | ||
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OrangeGarage
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