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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
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Madars
Latvia166 Posts
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ZombieFrog
United States87 Posts
Either way I wish him the absolute best in his aspirations as a coach, he was a true BW legend and I'm glad he still wants to stick with esports for at least a few more years. I hope he does get the coaching job he wants | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
The biggest argument against MVP being the greatest Starcraft player was that bw was harder than sc2.. and that if bw players switched to sc2 that they would completely dominate the scene and that players like MVP and Life would look average in comparison, boy were they wrong. People also said Flash would dominate sc2 scene, this never happened. There is no doubt in my mind if MVP didn't have his injuries that he would still be dominating the scene like he was 3 years ago. I also believe that if you were to take MVP in his prime and face him against Flash in his prime that MVP would beat him handily. MVP's 2011 run is unparalleled. | ||
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
This makes me want to dig up some vods. TvT vods. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1032 Posts
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slit
Spain212 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 03 2015 22:02 SuperFanBoy wrote: The biggest argument against MVP being the greatest Starcraft player was that bw was harder than sc2.. and that if bw players switched to sc2 that they would completely dominate the scene and that players like MVP and Life would look average in comparison, boy were they wrong. People also said Flash would dominate sc2 scene, this never happened. There is no doubt in my mind if MVP didn't have his injuries that he would still be dominating the scene like he was 3 years ago. I also believe that if you were to take MVP in his prime and face him against Flash in his prime that MVP would beat him handily. MVP's 2011 run is unparalleled. MVP 2011 (WoL): Winner: 2012 HOT6 Global StarCraft 2 League Season 2: Code S 30 games Winner: 2011 Arena of Legends: Team Ace Invitational 14 games Winner: 2011 WCG Korea Finals 16 games Runner-Up: 2011 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft 2 League Oct: Code S 18 games Winner: 2011 Pepsi Global StarCraft 2 League August: Code S 16 games Runner-Up: 2011 LG Cinema 3D GSL Sponsorship League May: Code A 17 games Winner: 2011 Gainward PlayXP.com StarCraft II Tournament 13 games Winner: 2011 Sony Ericsson GSL Sponsorship League January: Code S MVP 2011-01-01 to 2011-12-31 119-56 (68%) 175 games vT: 64-27 (70.33%) vZ: 31-16 (65.96%) vP: 24-13 (64.86%) Flash 2010 (BW): Runner-Up: 2010 WCG Korea Finals 10 games Winner: 2010 Korean Air OnGameNet Starleague Season 2 13 games Winner: 2010 Bigfile MBCGame StarCraft League 18 games Winner: 2010 Hana Daetoo Securities MBCGame StarCraft League 15 games Runner-Up: 2010 Korean Air OnGameNet Starleague Season 1 13 games Runner-Up: 2009-2010 NATE MBCGame StarCraft League 16 games Winner: 2009-2010 EVER OnGameNet Starleague 15 games Flash 2010-01-01 to 2010-12-31 128-43 (74.85%) 171 games vT: 44-17 (72.13%) vZ: 44-18 (70.97%) vP: 40-8 (83.33%) I don't see why it would be so "handily", Flash's "in-prime" record is clearly competitive if you look at it by winrate. There were 30+ premier WoL tournaments in 2011, if you only go by GSL events MVP made it to the finals of 5/9; there were only 6-9 BW tournaments in 2010 depending on your definition and flash made it to the finals of 7. | ||
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-Siegemode-
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RvB
Netherlands6327 Posts
On December 03 2015 22:02 SuperFanBoy wrote: The biggest argument against MVP being the greatest Starcraft player was that bw was harder than sc2.. and that if bw players switched to sc2 that they would completely dominate the scene and that players like MVP and Life would look average in comparison, boy were they wrong. People also said Flash would dominate sc2 scene, this never happened. There is no doubt in my mind if MVP didn't have his injuries that he would still be dominating the scene like he was 3 years ago. I also believe that if you were to take MVP in his prime and face him against Flash in his prime that MVP would beat him handily. MVP's 2011 run is unparalleled. Flash had wrist problems as wel for a while iirc. I also doubt MVP would dominate at all. The kespa transition did bring in a lot of very talented players although not the ones we expected. Flash dominated a scene with TBLS (not to mention a lot of other sick players)who are in my mind the best rts players to have ever touched rts. MC and Nestea simply don't compare. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On December 03 2015 22:02 SuperFanBoy wrote: The biggest argument against MVP being the greatest Starcraft player was that bw was harder than sc2.. and that if bw players switched to sc2 that they would completely dominate the scene and that players like MVP and Life would look average in comparison, boy were they wrong. People also said Flash would dominate sc2 scene, this never happened. There is no doubt in my mind if MVP didn't have his injuries that he would still be dominating the scene like he was 3 years ago. I also believe that if you were to take MVP in his prime and face him against Flash in his prime that MVP would beat him handily. MVP's 2011 run is unparalleled. if you're going to say "Starcraft" meaning SC1 and SC2, these games take different skills. if you want to call the SC2 players the "greatest Starcraft player of all time" when some of the SC1 pros came onto SC2, possibly trying hard to apply Starcraft skills into it with mild success since they don't matter the same in SC2, then I suggest you wait until the best SC2 players prove they can beat the best at SC1 ^ | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37125 Posts
Dolan is that you? | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4396 Posts
On December 03 2015 16:33 SuperFanBoy wrote: This seals it.. MVP will go down as the greatest Starcraft player of all time. Plz...................... Sad to see him go! GG Flash. Those BW years and the TBLS rivalry will never be forgotten  | ||
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b0ub0u
Canada445 Posts
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DonDomingo
504 Posts
On December 03 2015 16:33 SuperFanBoy wrote: This seals it.. MVP will go down as one of the greatest Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty player of all time. fixed it for you | ||
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Lgnarrow
104 Posts
Terran in SC2 din't fit his turtling playstyle. I wonder how he would have done if he had switched to protoss. We will never know | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
Spears shall be shaken! Shields shall be splintered! A sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now! Ride now! Ride! Ride for ruin, and the world's ending! Death! Death! Death! -Théoden King | ||
Poopi
France13023 Posts
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On December 05 2015 08:05 Poopi wrote: I don't know why it's still bothering me that Flash retired, despite not playing nor following BW at all. I read about BW greats when I started SC2, but I didn't try to watch their games (not only Flash but Jaedong etc) except the old stars who switched early such as NaDa, Boxer, WC3 stars Lyn and Moon because I was very active during WoL ; yet the fact that such a great player was still playing sc2 was nice, there was hope that greatness could emerge again, but now there is no hope anymore. Old players go and new come in. Plus, sc2 was a new and different game and comes to show that the difference between a bonjwa and good player was that small as otherwise flash would've owned everyone. I did not watch BW myself but if flash doesn't like the game, then that's ok and better now than later imho. | ||
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
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