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Please keep this thread on topic. No useless one liners or insults. No player bashing or game bashing. Violators will be moderated harshly.
epi
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada115 Posts
December 01 2015 15:25 GMT
#381
Mixed feelings.

As a Flash fan, I'll miss waking up to watch his games. But I can't shake the feeling that this is probably overdue.

It was never about SC2. Anyone who's ever been at the top - and Flash was at the top of BW in a way that none of us are likely to be at the top of anything, ever, in our lives - finds themselves facing the question afterward: what comes next? You have to dig really deep to find the motivation to keep going after you've so thoroughly conquered something, and Flash never really ever found it again, as anyone who watched 2011-12 Flash knows. He held on for one more Proleague championship and one last MSL, but after he got his Golden Badge there was nothing left to go on for and SC2 didn't re-light the fire. Ever since then, that's what we've been watching - the dying embers of perhaps the greatest career e-sports has ever known, next to Boxer's, with the occasional flare-up that keeps us interested and reminds of what once was.

I understand the people excited to see him go back to BW on Afreeca, but I would also be cautious in that respect. It's always possible that going back after such a long absence will re-motivate him, but BW wasn't doing it for him after the Golden Badge and it very well may still not. It was never the game. It was the emotion, the passion - the will to be the greatest and the work ethic to see it through. Watching 2010 Flash, it was impossible not to get the feeling that this was something really, really special. And that's the thing about "special" - it isn't special if it happens often. 2010 Flash had never happened before. It may not happen again for a very long time.

Of course I'd like to see him stream BW again, if only for nostalgia's sake. Flash's peak BW years were good years to be a fan of Starcraft. But more than that, I hope he finds his "next". I hope there's something out there for him to find. That will, that work ethic - it can't have just vanished. It doesn't deserve to die with Flash's Starcraft career. Some of that 2010 magic clung to him for years afterward. Somehow we all sense that the potential for miracles is still there.

I hope to be able to see them.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
December 01 2015 15:26 GMT
#382
I wonder if this has something to do with him not liking lotv.
I mean he practiced lotv and played some showmatches.
If he had the plan to retire before that he would have quit right after hots ended.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 01 2015 15:27 GMT
#383
On December 02 2015 00:21 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 00:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
I'm not all that familiar with how Korea/Kespa runs, but hypothetically if Flash really hated Legacy would he be expected to keep quiet on that front for the sake of PR?


Flash was always the good soldier so there is no way he's going to do something to embarrass or shittalk KeSPA or his team, even indirectly.


He won't say that he "hates it" But maybe something like it just did not fit him or something like that.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9008 Posts
December 01 2015 15:29 GMT
#384
So many atheists now. Who fills in for Flash now that he's gone? Innovation? Bomber? TY? Gumi?
jrdeal
Profile Joined November 2014
United States24 Posts
December 01 2015 15:32 GMT
#385
God said he might return to COACH. Do not lose your faith yet.
spOOky
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
December 01 2015 15:33 GMT
#386
On December 01 2015 23:55 y0su wrote:
First Kobe and now Flash. What a week..


I'm with you man. This sucks so much...
I'm at a loss for words.

GG and GL FlaSh, in whatever you do next.
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-01 15:34:26
December 01 2015 15:34 GMT
#387
What a punch in the face getting home after work to this news. =/
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
December 01 2015 15:35 GMT
#388
On December 02 2015 00:25 epi wrote:
Mixed feelings.

As a Flash fan, I'll miss waking up to watch his games. But I can't shake the feeling that this is probably overdue.

It was never about SC2. Anyone who's ever been at the top - and Flash was at the top of BW in a way that none of us are likely to be at the top of anything, ever, in our lives - finds themselves facing the question afterward: what comes next? You have to dig really deep to find the motivation to keep going after you've so thoroughly conquered something, and Flash never really ever found it again, as anyone who watched 2011-12 Flash knows. He held on for one more Proleague championship and one last MSL, but after he got his Golden Badge there was nothing left to go on for and SC2 didn't re-light the fire. Ever since then, that's what we've been watching - the dying embers of perhaps the greatest career e-sports has ever known, next to Boxer's, with the occasional flare-up that keeps us interested and reminds of what once was.

I understand the people excited to see him go back to BW on Afreeca, but I would also be cautious in that respect. It's always possible that going back after such a long absence will re-motivate him, but BW wasn't doing it for him after the Golden Badge and it very well may still not. It was never the game. It was the emotion, the passion - the will to be the greatest and the work ethic to see it through. Watching 2010 Flash, it was impossible not to get the feeling that this was something really, really special. And that's the thing about "special" - it isn't special if it happens often. 2010 Flash had never happened before. It may not happen again for a very long time.

Of course I'd like to see him stream BW again, if only for nostalgia's sake. Flash's peak BW years were good years to be a fan of Starcraft. But more than that, I hope he finds his "next". I hope there's something out there for him to find. That will, that work ethic - it can't have just vanished. It doesn't deserve to die with Flash's Starcraft career. Some of that 2010 magic clung to him for years afterward. Somehow we all sense that the potential for miracles is still there.

I hope to be able to see them.


Wonderful post.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
December 01 2015 15:36 GMT
#389
On December 02 2015 00:07 Silvana wrote:
Well it he goes to BW there's no option for me but to start learning BW... heh I didn't think the Starcraft history lessons would be useful someday

Wow alk that time I thought you were a bw player. So you started with sc2 and became a Flash fan? That's kinda awesome and might I say weird xd I doubt Flash will go to bw tho
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
December 01 2015 15:37 GMT
#390
Oh man worst thing I could possible read when I woke up.
Information is everything
ivancype
Profile Joined December 2012
Brazil485 Posts
December 01 2015 15:38 GMT
#391
On December 02 2015 00:29 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
So many atheists now. Who fills in for Flash now that he's gone? Innovation? Bomber? TY? Gumi?


ByuN
The other race is OP
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
December 01 2015 15:42 GMT
#392
NOONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

FLASH! NO
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
December 01 2015 15:44 GMT
#393
End of an era.......
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 01 2015 15:44 GMT
#394
On December 02 2015 00:29 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
So many atheists now. Who fills in for Flash now that he's gone? Innovation? Bomber? TY? Gumi?


(T)Guilty
Damian
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany335 Posts
December 01 2015 15:45 GMT
#395
My first login after many years - goodbye Flash! I will never forget that MSL finals against Jaedong with the power outage (2010?) - Such a hype and the crowd chanting their names...
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
December 01 2015 15:48 GMT
#396
GOAT
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
December 01 2015 15:48 GMT
#397
On December 02 2015 00:44 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 00:29 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
So many atheists now. Who fills in for Flash now that he's gone? Innovation? Bomber? TY? Gumi?


(T)Guilty


This one gets it.
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 01 2015 15:55 GMT
#398
On December 02 2015 00:35 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 00:25 epi wrote:
Mixed feelings.

As a Flash fan, I'll miss waking up to watch his games. But I can't shake the feeling that this is probably overdue.

It was never about SC2. Anyone who's ever been at the top - and Flash was at the top of BW in a way that none of us are likely to be at the top of anything, ever, in our lives - finds themselves facing the question afterward: what comes next? You have to dig really deep to find the motivation to keep going after you've so thoroughly conquered something, and Flash never really ever found it again, as anyone who watched 2011-12 Flash knows. He held on for one more Proleague championship and one last MSL, but after he got his Golden Badge there was nothing left to go on for and SC2 didn't re-light the fire. Ever since then, that's what we've been watching - the dying embers of perhaps the greatest career e-sports has ever known, next to Boxer's, with the occasional flare-up that keeps us interested and reminds of what once was.

I understand the people excited to see him go back to BW on Afreeca, but I would also be cautious in that respect. It's always possible that going back after such a long absence will re-motivate him, but BW wasn't doing it for him after the Golden Badge and it very well may still not. It was never the game. It was the emotion, the passion - the will to be the greatest and the work ethic to see it through. Watching 2010 Flash, it was impossible not to get the feeling that this was something really, really special. And that's the thing about "special" - it isn't special if it happens often. 2010 Flash had never happened before. It may not happen again for a very long time.

Of course I'd like to see him stream BW again, if only for nostalgia's sake. Flash's peak BW years were good years to be a fan of Starcraft. But more than that, I hope he finds his "next". I hope there's something out there for him to find. That will, that work ethic - it can't have just vanished. It doesn't deserve to die with Flash's Starcraft career. Some of that 2010 magic clung to him for years afterward. Somehow we all sense that the potential for miracles is still there.

I hope to be able to see them.


Wonderful post.


+1

I hope he finds another challenge and never loses enthusiasm!

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CVIyy1RU8AAqPGV.mp4
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
December 01 2015 15:55 GMT
#399
what the heck, is this real ?
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
December 01 2015 15:58 GMT
#400
On December 02 2015 00:44 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 00:29 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
So many atheists now. Who fills in for Flash now that he's gone? Innovation? Bomber? TY? Gumi?


(T)Guilty

This is the truth.
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