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Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
April 10 2015 08:00 GMT
#1
(Wiki)2015 Proleague/Round 2/Round Robin
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Monday, Apr 13 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

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SK Telecom T1
vs Samsung Galaxy KHAN
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(T)Dream < Vaani Research Station > (T)BrAvO
(Z)Dark < King Sejong Station LE > (T)Guilty
(P)Classic < Deadwing LE > (T)Journey
(Z)soO < Merry Go Round LE > (Z)Solar

Ace:
Expedition Lost

+ Show Spoiler [2015 Proleague Record] +
                     (T)Dream             (T)BrAvO            
Record 4-3 (20th) 3-2 (24th)
Last 10 ---wwllwwl -----wwlwl
TvT 1-2 (27th) 2-1 (14th)
Last 5 --llw --wwl
Vaani Research St... 0-0 0-0
(TvT x1)
                     (Z)Dark              (T)Guilty           
Record 10-5 (3rd) 1-0 (41st)
Last 10 wwlwwwwlwl ---------w
ZvT 5-2 (3rd) 0-0
Last 5 wwwwl -----
King Sejong Stati... 5-1 (1st) 1-0 (12th)
(ZvT 7-3) Best map (+4)
Most played map (6)
                     (P)Classic           (T)Journey          
Record 4-1 (19th) 2-1 (32nd)
Last 10 -----wlwww -------lww
PvT 0-0 1-0 (22nd)
Last 5 ----- ----w
Deadwing LE 1-1 (18th) 0-1 (26th)
(PvT 2-9) Worst map (+0)
Most played map (2)
                     (Z)soO               (Z)Solar            
Record 7-4 (13th) 1-8 (52nd)
Last 10 lwwlllwwww -llllllwll
ZvZ 3-0 (5th) 0-4 (66th)
Last 5 --www -llll
Merry Go Round LE 1-0 (8th) 0-0
(ZvZ x5)
Expedition Lost                                               
Most played (Z)soO (2-0) (T)Journey (1-0)
(Z)Shine (0-1)
Best player (Z)soO (2-0) (T)Journey (1-0)


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Prime
vs StarTale-yoe [image loading]

(P)Zoun < Vaani Research Station > (P)San
(P)MyuNgSiK < Overgrowth LE > (Z)Pet
(T)YoDa < Expedition Lost > (Z)Curious
(P)Creator < King Sejong Station LE > (Z)Leenock

Ace:
Deadwing LE

+ Show Spoiler [2015 Proleague Record] +
                     (P)Zoun              (P)San              
Record 1-1 (44th) 3-6 (28th)
Last 10 --------lw -wwlllwlll
PvP 0-0 2-3 (20th)
Last 5 ----- wlwll
Vaani Research St... 0-0 0-0
(PvP x2)
                     (P)MyuNgSiK          (Z)Pet              
Record 3-8 (30th) 2-1 (32nd)
Last 10 llllwwllll -------wlw
PvZ 3-3 (9th) 1-0 (23rd)
Last 5 llwwl ----w
Overgrowth LE 0-0 2-0 (4th)
(PvZ 4-7) Best map (+2)
Most played map (2)
                     (T)YoDa              (Z)Curious          
Record 5-8 (18th) 3-6 (28th)
Last 10 lllwwwllll -llwlwwlll
TvZ 1-3 (32nd) 1-3 (33rd)
Last 5 -lwll -wlll
Expedition Lost 0-0 0-1 (11th)
(TvZ 3-2)
                     (P)Creator           (Z)Leenock          
Record 4-6 (22nd) 5-3 (17th)
Last 10 llwwwwllll --wwwllwlw
PvZ 0-4 (65th) 4-0 (2nd)
Last 5 -llll -wwww
King Sejong Stati... 0-2 (33rd) 2-1 (6th)
(PvZ 3-5) Worst map (-2) Best map (+1)
Most played map (3)
Deadwing LE                                                   
Most played (P)MyuNgSiK (1-3) (P)San (1-4)
(P)Creator (1-3)
Best player (T)YoDa (1-0) (Z)Life (1-1)


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Tuesday, Apr 14 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

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KT Rolster
vs MVP
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(P)Stats < Overgrowth LE > (P)YongHwa
(T)Flash < Vaani Research Station > (P)Panic
(P)Zest < Deadwing LE > (T)MarineKing
(Z)Life < Merry Go Round LE > (Z)Losira

Ace:
Expedition Lost

+ Show Spoiler [2015 Proleague Record] +
                     (P)Stats             (P)YongHwa          
Record 9-2 (6th) 6-2 (16th)
Last 10 wwwwwwlwww --wwwwwlwl
PvP 1-1 (27th) 4-2 (5th)
Last 5 ---wl wwwll
Overgrowth LE 3-0 (2nd) 2-0 (4th)
(PvP x3) Best map (+3) Best map (+2)
Most played map (3)
                     (T)Flash             (P)Panic            
Record 4-7 (23rd) 2-1 (32nd)
Last 10 lllwllwwlw -------lww
TvP 2-2 (19th) 0-0
Last 5 -lwlw -----
Vaani Research St... 1-0 (1st) 0-0
(TvP 2-1)
                     (P)Zest              (T)MarineKing       
Record 8-8 (11th) 3-10 (31st)
Last 10 wllwlllwlw lllwllwlll
PvT 1-2 (27th) 2-0 (14th)
Last 5 --lwl ---ww
Deadwing LE 3-1 (3rd) 2-0 (4th)
(PvT 2-9) Best map (+2) Best map (+2)
Most played map (4)
                     (Z)Life              (Z)Losira           
Record 8-6 (10th) 9-4 (7th)
Last 10 wlwwllwlww wwwlwwllww
ZvZ 2-1 (12th) 4-0 (2nd)
Last 5 --wwl -wwww
Merry Go Round LE 1-0 (8th) 3-1 (2nd)
(ZvZ x5) Best map (+2)
Most played map (4)
Expedition Lost                                               
Most played (Z)Life (1-1) (T)Center (1-0)
(P)Panic (1-0)
(T)MarineKing (0-1)
(Z)DeParture (0-1)
Best player (Z)Life (1-1) (T)Center (1-0)
(P)Panic (1-0)


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Jin Air Green Wings
vs CJ Entus
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(P)sOs < Overgrowth LE > (P)herO
(T)Maru < Vaani Research Station > (Z)ByuL
(Z)Rogue < Deadwing LE > (P)Hush
(T)Cure < Merry Go Round LE > (T)Bbyong

Ace:
Expedition Lost

+ Show Spoiler [2015 Proleague Record] +
                     (P)sOs               (P)herO             
Record 8-8 (11th) 12-3 (1st)
Last 10 wwlllwlwww wwwwwwwwww
PvP 1-3 (36th) 4-2 (6th)
Last 5 -wlll lwwww
Overgrowth LE 2-2 (9th) 4-0 (1st)
(PvP x3)
                     (T)Maru              (Z)ByuL             
Record 9-5 (8th) 10-5 (3rd)
Last 10 lwwwllwwww wlwwllwwww
TvZ 1-4 (34th) 4-3 (9th)
Last 5 llllw llwww
Vaani Research St... 1-0 (1st) 0-0
(TvZ 2-1)
                     (Z)Rogue             (P)Hush             
Record 10-4 (2nd) 3-2 (24th)
Last 10 lwwwllwwww -----wwllw
ZvP 3-1 (11th) 0-1 (50th)
Last 5 -wwlw ----l
Deadwing LE 1-0 (8th) 3-0 (2nd)
(ZvP 4-4) Best map (+3)
Most played map (3)
                     (T)Cure              (T)Bbyong           
Record 10-5 (3rd) 7-6 (14th)
Last 10 lwwlwlwlww lwwllwlwlw
TvT 2-1 (14th) 3-2 (12th)
Last 5 --wlw lwwlw
Merry Go Round LE 1-0 (8th) 0-0
(TvT x5)
Expedition Lost                                               
Most played (Z)Rogue (2-0) (Z)ByuL (3-0)
(Z)Symbol (0-2)
Best player (Z)Rogue (2-0) (Z)ByuL (3-0)


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Source: KeSPA


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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 10 2015 08:03 GMT
#2
GUILTY HYPE
The world is better when every background has a chance.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 08:07:37
April 10 2015 08:05 GMT
#3
Wow, this is a pretty sick week.

- SGK breaking from the usual Z/P-heavy lineup and going full-Terran. Also, GUILTY! They really want that playoff spot. rip Dark

- Marineking is back o.O. Also, KT vs MVP looks competitive and is very important for a playoff spot. Might actually come down completely to that match.

- Don't think CJ is getting that 7-0. All their draws suck except ByuL's and even that's tough. ByuL himself has a difficult match to try and secure that direct qualification into Kespa Cup
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
AKAvg
Profile Joined April 2014
Brazil298 Posts
April 10 2015 08:06 GMT
#4
On April 10 2015 17:03 Circumstance wrote:
GUILTY HYPE


No TvT, sadly

CJ 7-0 gogogo
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
April 10 2015 08:11 GMT
#5
The main question, I think, is should people trade CJ to KT? CJ has 1st place in the pocket, so they don't have that big motivation, while KT really needs to win 3-0. And, more importantly, they have a potential to do so.
Insert wise words here
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
April 10 2015 08:11 GMT
#6
Flash is gonna become the Unofficial World Champ <.<

Also, I guess RIP CJ's 7-0 dream.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
April 10 2015 08:13 GMT
#7
On April 10 2015 17:11 IAmWithStupid wrote:
The main question, I think, is should people trade CJ to KT? CJ has 1st place in the pocket, so they don't have that big motivation, while KT really needs to win 3-0. And, more importantly, they have a potential to do so.

KT doesn't need a 3-0, 3-1 and 3-2 would be fine, too.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
April 10 2015 08:13 GMT
#8
Yes, Guilty's back!

CJ vs Jin Air should be really cool!
LiquipediaWanderer
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 10 2015 08:13 GMT
#9
oh wow, I just noticed SKT isn't fielding Bogus either o.O

wtf. Best team league player of all-time AND iirc he still could qualify directly for Kespa Cup.

Guess this is true after all:

+ Show Spoiler +
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 08:17:26
April 10 2015 08:15 GMT
#10
On April 10 2015 17:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
oh wow, I just noticed SKT isn't fielding Bogus either o.O

wtf. Best team league player of all-time AND iirc he still could qualify directly for Kespa Cup.

Guess this is true after all:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CGD5aJDtSAk#t=10

It's pretty common that players who play in a tournament the Friday (also the weekend if there are finals going on I guess) before SPL don't get fielded tho. (although KT generally doesn't care that much and even fielded hung over Life after the GSL finals <.<)
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
April 10 2015 08:17 GMT
#11
On April 10 2015 17:13 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:11 IAmWithStupid wrote:
The main question, I think, is should people trade CJ to KT? CJ has 1st place in the pocket, so they don't have that big motivation, while KT really needs to win 3-0. And, more importantly, they have a potential to do so.

KT doesn't need a 3-0, 3-1 and 3-2 would be fine, too.

Yeah, but they want to get the third place - it is 61 points instead of 51, don't forget that. Assuming SKT vs Samsung will be unpredictable, KT would really like to go swift 3-0
Insert wise words here
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 08:18:27
April 10 2015 08:18 GMT
#12
LOL
MarineKing returns....vs arguably (probably for sure) the best PvT on the planet hahaha :D
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 10 2015 08:19 GMT
#13
On April 10 2015 17:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
oh wow, I just noticed SKT isn't fielding Bogus either o.O

wtf. Best team league player of all-time AND iirc he still could qualify directly for Kespa Cup.

Guess this is true after all:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CGD5aJDtSAk#t=10

It's pretty common that players who play in a tournament the Friday (also the weekend if there are finals going on I guess) before SPL don't get fielded tho. (although KT generally doesn't care that much and even fielded hung over Life after the GSL finals <.<)


Outside of finals I never noticed. Given his value to SKT and the fact that they are facing elimination this still comes as a surprise. Not to mention sOs, Flash, Dark, and ByuL are all playing too.
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Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2629 Posts
April 10 2015 08:19 GMT
#14
Let's go CJ. Get that 7-0 over JinAir. The stats favor it.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
April 10 2015 08:21 GMT
#15
On April 10 2015 17:17 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:13 Elentos wrote:
On April 10 2015 17:11 IAmWithStupid wrote:
The main question, I think, is should people trade CJ to KT? CJ has 1st place in the pocket, so they don't have that big motivation, while KT really needs to win 3-0. And, more importantly, they have a potential to do so.

KT doesn't need a 3-0, 3-1 and 3-2 would be fine, too.

Yeah, but they want to get the third place - it is 61 points instead of 51, don't forget that. Assuming SKT vs Samsung will be unpredictable, KT would really like to go swift 3-0

Well SKT vs Samsung happens the day before KT vs MVP so they'd know the exact score they need for 3rd and give everything they can to reach that. Obviously they always want to 3-0, but that's not as easy :/.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 08:24:50
April 10 2015 08:23 GMT
#16
On April 10 2015 17:18 Pandemona wrote:
LOL
MarineKing returns....vs arguably (probably for sure) the best PvT on the planet hahaha :D

PartinG's in KeSPA jail and also not on KT though. :3
On April 10 2015 17:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:15 Elentos wrote:
On April 10 2015 17:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
oh wow, I just noticed SKT isn't fielding Bogus either o.O

wtf. Best team league player of all-time AND iirc he still could qualify directly for Kespa Cup.

Guess this is true after all:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CGD5aJDtSAk#t=10

It's pretty common that players who play in a tournament the Friday (also the weekend if there are finals going on I guess) before SPL don't get fielded tho. (although KT generally doesn't care that much and even fielded hung over Life after the GSL finals <.<)


Outside of finals I never noticed. Given his value to SKT and the fact that they are facing elimination this still comes as a surprise. Not to mention sOs, Flash, Dark, and ByuL are all playing too.

Maybe they just want him to have a break in general. His round 2 has been really bad, unfortunately.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
April 10 2015 08:24 GMT
#17
Prime/ST-Yoe will be the greatest match of all time
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 08:26:51
April 10 2015 08:25 GMT
#18
On April 10 2015 17:24 Jer99 wrote:
Prime/ST-Yoe will be the greatest match of all time


It really is sad how far both have sunk.

Went from competing for GSTL titles to competing for 7th place in SPL with profoundly bad scores ;;

inb4 kesspaaaa
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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 10 2015 08:26 GMT
#19
Why nobody is talking about Maru vs ByuL?

Glad to see MK back, from last broadcast we could see he was very tied with his team mates and still had a central role in the team. He won't beat Zest but playing again is already a good start...
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
April 10 2015 08:29 GMT
#20
On April 10 2015 17:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Why nobody is talking about Maru vs ByuL?

Glad to see MK back, from last broadcast we could see he was very tied with his team mates and still had a central role in the team. He won't beat Zest but playing again is already a good start...

That's the most important match for CJ. It will be up to ByuL to bounce back after herO gets proxy gated and doesn't scout it. Else all responsibility lies with Hush to beat Rogue. <.<
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 10 2015 08:32 GMT
#21
this is a clutch match for SKT so I'm surprised that innovation isn't playing.

I hope we get to see the life vs losira match
Zerg for Life
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
April 10 2015 08:34 GMT
#22
ST > Prime ezpz
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 10 2015 08:35 GMT
#23
On April 10 2015 17:26 Gwavajuice wrote:
Why nobody is talking about Maru vs ByuL?

Glad to see MK back, from last broadcast we could see he was very tied with his team mates and still had a central role in the team. He won't beat Zest but playing again is already a good start...


I definitely am. That looks like the best match of the week.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 10 2015 08:41 GMT
#24
On April 10 2015 17:18 Pandemona wrote:
LOL
MarineKing returns....vs arguably (probably for sure) the best PvT on the planet hahaha :D

Hi swag_bro
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MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
April 10 2015 08:45 GMT
#25
On April 10 2015 17:18 Pandemona wrote:
LOL
MarineKing returns....vs arguably (probably for sure) the best PvT on the planet hahaha :D

After PartinG, herO, Trap and sOs, yeah, not the best though
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 10 2015 08:49 GMT
#26
So Marineking returns without any kind of statements? LOL.

Shit, San plays against Zoun.... should I trade off of my anti? T_T If Zoun wins I actually can see Prime beating ST.
Pyloss
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
April 10 2015 08:51 GMT
#27
MK got a TvP again, he should have a good chance beating Zest, even after all...

and Gulity, hope to see him doing well.

That Prime vs ST Lineup is looking really close, could go either way. I really feel like this is the best Roster both teams got. Zoun will win for Prime in the ace #thedream.
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Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
April 10 2015 08:58 GMT
#28
On April 10 2015 17:18 Pandemona wrote:
LOL
MarineKing returns....vs arguably (probably for sure) the best PvT on the planet hahaha :D

Best PvT is Parting. You can't even argue with that. But in case you do I'll remind you that he has the best score ever on aligulac vs T He 's lost one series in 2015 vs Terran and that was Maru.
It's good to be back
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
April 10 2015 09:02 GMT
#29
SKT vs Samsung seems pretty neat if only to judge Samsung's terran trio and maybe get a pretty cool ZvZ.
Prime vs ST-yoe is gonna be super cool and about as awful-by-lineup as you'd expect a match to see who'll be 0-7 (for the first time since 2010, mind you) would be.
KT vs MVP is pretty hype. If Panic wins I'm a god, if Panic/Zest/Life wins I'm gonna go crazy.
Jin Air vs CJ obviously best match of the week. I think Jin Air wins, but I do think it's pretty close. It's basically three 50-50 matches (albeit Maru vs ByuL is 55-45 and Cure vs Bbyong is 45-55 - they even themselves out) alongside one match that Rogue should just win.
Writermaru pls
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 10 2015 09:08 GMT
#30
On April 10 2015 17:41 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 17:18 Pandemona wrote:
LOL
MarineKing returns....vs arguably (probably for sure) the best PvT on the planet hahaha :D

Hi swag_bro



it's funny cause when I read this, I though 'what the f! how can MK play against herO?' so I scrolled up and giggled a little...
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
noobPride
Profile Joined June 2013
Spain333 Posts
April 10 2015 09:14 GMT
#31
proleague is such an awesome tournament - it's almost impossible to have a week with one super sick match between top tier players. An offline tournament with half of the great matchups a regular proleague round is pretty awsome already

Also glad marineking is back, it would be great to see a late-game scenario - Also maru v byul, and watching sOs play is always extremely entertaining. Who is this Guilty guy? Never heard of him before
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 10 2015 09:21 GMT
#32
More fresh meat for BrAvO
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 10 2015 09:21 GMT
#33
Observations :
-Khan with the gosu Terrans :DDD
-SKT is going to win this with soO as ace, again
-Prime is going to get so wrecked I can't believe it
-MarineKing playing again. Interesting, meanwhile, the statement we were promised "soon" by MVP is still not out.
-KT will win this with Zest as ace (yeah I'm going with the ballsy prediction here)
-CJ 7-0 HYPE HYPE HYPE GOGO CJ BEST TEAM
-nah seriously MU are not exceptionals, but well it's still doable. Sad that Hush didn't get a PvP though
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HooHooH
Profile Joined January 2015
165 Posts
April 10 2015 09:23 GMT
#34
On April 10 2015 17:03 Circumstance wrote:
GUILTY HYPE


The lizard terran is back!!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 09:29:29
April 10 2015 09:28 GMT
#35
On April 10 2015 18:21 OtherWorld wrote:
Observations :
-Khan with the gosu Terrans :DDD
-SKT is going to win this with soO as ace, again
-Prime is going to get so wrecked I can't believe it
-MarineKing playing again. Interesting, meanwhile, the statement we were promised "soon" by MVP is still not out.
-KT will win this with Zest as ace (yeah I'm going with the ballsy prediction here)
-CJ 7-0 HYPE HYPE HYPE GOGO CJ BEST TEAM
-nah seriously MU are not exceptionals, but well it's still doable. Sad that Hush didn't get a PvP though

Underselling. The first 3 are really, really bad for CJ.
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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 10 2015 09:29 GMT
#36
On April 10 2015 18:21 OtherWorld wrote:
...
-MarineKing playing again. Interesting, meanwhile, the statement we were promised "soon" by MVP is still not out.
...


At this point, I think we can say they decided to ignore random people twitting at them. Is this wrong though? Team spirit seems ok (watch after Losira's win and Center's loss) it's probably better to move on...
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 09:38:16
April 10 2015 09:37 GMT
#37
GUILTYGOD HAS RETURNED!
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Holdinga
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria300 Posts
April 10 2015 10:01 GMT
#38
So I guess MarineKing will not do any jail time
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
April 10 2015 10:05 GMT
#39
Guilty hype :D
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Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 10 2015 10:07 GMT
#40
Jinair vs CJ should be amazing, potentially a preview of this rounds final

KT will wreck MVP, super disappointed to see them field Marineking, yes he did draw a protoss, but whether he was match fixing or not (still no statement as promised there) either he's a cheat or he put in the worst performance of any proleague player ever and their finals are on the line and while their other 3 picks are good they should have fielded LiquidHero as the 4th.

Also weird Samsung didn't field Dear, and SKT didn't field Innovation with playoffs on the line, granted they have individual leagues so fair enough.

Prime vs Startale in 'battle for the title of worst team'

Feels like the two telecoms get the job done for the finals spots.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
April 10 2015 10:16 GMT
#41
On April 10 2015 19:07 Swoopae wrote:super disappointed to see them field Marineking, yes he did draw a protoss, but whether he was match fixing or not (still no statement as promised there) either he's a cheat or he put in the worst performance of any proleague player ever and their finals are on the line and while their other 3 picks are good they should have fielded LiquidHero as the 4th.


There is no understanding. There is only Choya
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 10 2015 10:30 GMT
#42
On April 10 2015 19:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 19:07 Swoopae wrote:super disappointed to see them field Marineking, yes he did draw a protoss, but whether he was match fixing or not (still no statement as promised there) either he's a cheat or he put in the worst performance of any proleague player ever and their finals are on the line and while their other 3 picks are good they should have fielded LiquidHero as the 4th.


There is no understanding. There is only Choya


Except for last 2 weeks MK has been fielded everytime, he's the core of the team and it goes beyond his personal result, he's like Flash for KT, he's fielded no matter what.

And liquidHerO may not be as important for the team.

And maybe they think it's the last opportunity to show that they do trust MK and he's not banned from the line up.

Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
April 10 2015 10:48 GMT
#43
On April 10 2015 19:30 Gwavajuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 19:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
On April 10 2015 19:07 Swoopae wrote:super disappointed to see them field Marineking, yes he did draw a protoss, but whether he was match fixing or not (still no statement as promised there) either he's a cheat or he put in the worst performance of any proleague player ever and their finals are on the line and while their other 3 picks are good they should have fielded LiquidHero as the 4th.


There is no understanding. There is only Choya


Except for last 2 weeks MK has been fielded everytime, he's the core of the team and it goes beyond his personal result, he's like Flash for KT, he's fielded no matter what.

And liquidHerO may not be as important for the team.

And maybe they think it's the last opportunity to show that they do trust MK and he's not banned from the line up.



There is no explanation. There is only Choya
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
April 10 2015 11:07 GMT
#44
Still no statement from MVP and MK is fielded again.

This shit stinks
I Protoss winner, could it be?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 10 2015 11:13 GMT
#45
On April 10 2015 20:07 Penev wrote:
Still no statement from MVP and MK is fielded again.

This shit stinks

Obviously, I wouldn't have imagined them to field him. It just shows that neither Proleague nor MVP care about matchfixing accusations.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 10 2015 11:15 GMT
#46
On April 10 2015 20:13 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 20:07 Penev wrote:
Still no statement from MVP and MK is fielded again.

This shit stinks

Obviously, I wouldn't have imagined them to field him. It just shows that neither Proleague nor MVP care about matchfixing accusations.

Unless they're doing a very meta investigation which necessitates making matchfixers believe that they don't care d:
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 11:19:04
April 10 2015 11:17 GMT
#47
On April 10 2015 20:15 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 20:13 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 10 2015 20:07 Penev wrote:
Still no statement from MVP and MK is fielded again.

This shit stinks

Obviously, I wouldn't have imagined them to field him. It just shows that neither Proleague nor MVP care about matchfixing accusations.

Unless they're doing a very meta investigation which necessitates making matchfixers believe that they don't care d:

Let's just put all our last hope on that :/

But idk Kev :/

Edit: Also: DJ pretty pls with sugar on top?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 10 2015 11:24 GMT
#48
Marineking will get inbase-proxy-Nexus-photon-overcharge rushed and fail to notice it
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 10 2015 11:26 GMT
#49
Good thing inno is off the lineup he needs time to reevalulate his play.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 10 2015 11:37 GMT
#50
Does Samsung think they're a lock for the playoffs? As much as I'm happy to see guilty, bravo and journey I'm surprised they're not playing dear.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
April 10 2015 12:17 GMT
#51
I forgot that both Prime and Startale can't both be 0-7.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
April 10 2015 12:18 GMT
#52
On April 10 2015 20:37 royalroadweed wrote:
Does Samsung think they're a lock for the playoffs? As much as I'm happy to see guilty, bravo and journey I'm surprised they're not playing dear.

Dear had to prepare for two individual leagues this week, Stork probs didn't want to have him train for Proleague as well.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
April 10 2015 12:35 GMT
#53
On April 10 2015 21:17 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I forgot that both Prime and Startale can't both be 0-7.


Both teams buses break down on the way to the arena and are instalost. Simple
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plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
April 10 2015 13:10 GMT
#54
On April 10 2015 20:24 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Marineking will get inbase-proxy-Nexus-photon-overcharge rushed and fail to notice it


There's a huge pyramid shooting in my base. Must be a map feature.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
April 10 2015 13:12 GMT
#55
On April 10 2015 22:10 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 20:24 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Marineking will get inbase-proxy-Nexus-photon-overcharge rushed and fail to notice it


There's a huge pyramid shooting in my base. Must be a map feature.

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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
April 10 2015 13:53 GMT
#56
That ST-Prime match and how it's considered makes me super sad as a Starcraft fan who watched teamleagues in 2011...
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
April 10 2015 13:56 GMT
#57
Jin Air hype!
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
April 10 2015 13:59 GMT
#58
MARINEKING back wow. so happy for him.
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
April 10 2015 14:00 GMT
#59
Prime would actually have to win more games this match than they have in the entire round thus far to avoid 0-7
nozemsagogo
Profile Joined December 2014
8 Posts
April 10 2015 14:11 GMT
#60
Would be psyched for Life vs Losira, but its gonna be a 3-0 so its not happening
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
April 10 2015 14:44 GMT
#61
Really disappointed the whole MK incident is slowly being brushed under the carpet. Oh well guess I just can never know for sure if people's wins are legit anymore. Probably should unsub from SPL until they've made a statement.

Cheering for Yoe like always, hoping they finish over Prime at least.
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ExBoshy
Profile Joined June 2014
118 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-28 20:13:59
April 10 2015 14:49 GMT
#62
.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 10 2015 14:51 GMT
#63
On April 10 2015 23:49 ExBoshy wrote:
How are lineups being made?


Teams get a lists of the maps. They choose players to play on each map without knowing who the other team sends out.

Regarding Marineking, I don't get why he's allowed to play. Would really like MVP or Kespa to say something.
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Exstasy
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom393 Posts
April 10 2015 14:55 GMT
#64
I suppose I'm the only one who has watched enough MK to know that sometimes he can just play that bad.
Either way looking forward to watching him lose to Zest! And gonna miss SkyHigh this week, been a great T to watch recently.
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 15:00:31
April 10 2015 14:57 GMT
#65
On April 10 2015 23:51 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 23:49 ExBoshy wrote:
How are lineups being made?


Teams get a lists of the maps. They choose players to play on each map without knowing who the other team sends out.

Regarding Marineking, I don't get why he's allowed to play. Would really like MVP or Kespa to say something.

Do you mind telling me what happened with MK? I might have missed smth

Nevermind I found out, that is really dissappointing if its true :S
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 10 2015 14:57 GMT
#66
On April 10 2015 23:55 Exstasy wrote:
I suppose I'm the only one who has watched enough MK to know that sometimes he can just play that bad.
Either way looking forward to watching him lose to Zest! And gonna miss SkyHigh this week, been a great T to watch recently.


I don't want this thread to turn into a shitfest like the others regarding the matchfixing, but I've watched a ton of Marineking and I'm certain he threw the game vs ByuL. If you (or anyone else) wants to hear my reasoning we can take it via PM.
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 15:16:16
April 10 2015 15:16 GMT
#67
I'm optimistic
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 10 2015 15:23 GMT
#68
Marineking should be banned from Proleague, this is a disgrace.
Exstasy
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom393 Posts
April 10 2015 15:32 GMT
#69
On April 11 2015 00:23 Dodgin wrote:
Marineking should be banned from Proleague, this is a disgrace.


DJHelium is doing the right thing trying to avoid a shitstorm in another TL thread and you come up with this?
If you have insider information PM me cause at the moment you're sitting on nothing.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 10 2015 15:36 GMT
#70
On April 11 2015 00:32 Exstasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 00:23 Dodgin wrote:
Marineking should be banned from Proleague, this is a disgrace.


DJHelium is doing the right thing trying to avoid a shitstorm in another TL thread and you come up with this?
If you have insider information PM me cause at the moment you're sitting on nothing.


All the information you need is in the other thread, there's nothing more to add other than I am extremely disappointed in kespa and team MVP for allowing this.
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3454 Posts
April 10 2015 16:56 GMT
#71
He's back already?
No justice/retribution.
Be wary of throws.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 10 2015 16:57 GMT
#72
ByuL is really good. I think Maru is going to lose this week
CJ is just on a tear this round
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 10 2015 16:59 GMT
#73
This is really mind-boggling that matchfixing going on in this league and KeSPA is silent.

This is actually literally a "killing the scene" type of thing. It's a disgrace to Blizzard, KeSPA, and SC2 that they are silent on the issue.

LOL @ the #throwleague.
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
April 10 2015 20:20 GMT
#74
thats a bit harsh

what i would agree on though is thats reaaalllyyyyy immature and shady to not even release anything until now.
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
April 10 2015 20:32 GMT
#75
Not the best draw for kt but i think they can pull through
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
April 10 2015 21:34 GMT
#76
GUILTY FINALLY
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
April 10 2015 21:38 GMT
#77
sOs v herO and Life v Losira are the marquee sets for me; Bbyong v Cure and soO v Solar might be good too
All in all it's a nice final week - got two titans facing each other for the awesome skilled games and the two worst teams for the awesome derpy games : P
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stargunner
Profile Joined July 2014
United States135 Posts
April 10 2015 21:47 GMT
#78
bunch of armchair detectives in this thread.

looking forward to this final week. going to be some really great matchups. CJ Entus is going to have to work really hard for that 7-0.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
April 10 2015 22:23 GMT
#79
On April 11 2015 01:59 Doodsmack wrote:
This is really mind-boggling that matchfixing going on in this league and KeSPA is silent.

This is actually literally a "killing the scene" type of thing. It's a disgrace to Blizzard, KeSPA, and SC2 that they are silent on the issue.

LOL @ the #throwleague.


actually it seems like they know what they're doing. Talking about it would kill the scene, but if they ignore it, apparently everyone else will, too.

And I don't know if that's because too few people actually care about Starcraft, or what...
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 10 2015 22:59 GMT
#80
On April 11 2015 07:23 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 01:59 Doodsmack wrote:
This is really mind-boggling that matchfixing going on in this league and KeSPA is silent.

This is actually literally a "killing the scene" type of thing. It's a disgrace to Blizzard, KeSPA, and SC2 that they are silent on the issue.

LOL @ the #throwleague.


actually it seems like they know what they're doing. Talking about it would kill the scene, but if they ignore it, apparently everyone else will, too.

And I don't know if that's because too few people actually care about Starcraft, or what...


There's a strong argument that not talking about it only delays killing the scene, and the longer it goes the worse it gets.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
April 10 2015 23:02 GMT
#81
Zoun vs San should be either Amazing or hilarious....or both
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
April 10 2015 23:27 GMT
#82
On April 11 2015 07:59 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 07:23 Popkiller wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:59 Doodsmack wrote:
This is really mind-boggling that matchfixing going on in this league and KeSPA is silent.

This is actually literally a "killing the scene" type of thing. It's a disgrace to Blizzard, KeSPA, and SC2 that they are silent on the issue.

LOL @ the #throwleague.


actually it seems like they know what they're doing. Talking about it would kill the scene, but if they ignore it, apparently everyone else will, too.

And I don't know if that's because too few people actually care about Starcraft, or what...


There's a strong argument that not talking about it only delays killing the scene, and the longer it goes the worse it gets.


I agree that there should be a statement that shows they at least investigated to the best of their ability. Saying nothing is a joke.
Exstasy
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom393 Posts
April 11 2015 10:55 GMT
#83
On April 11 2015 08:27 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 07:59 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 11 2015 07:23 Popkiller wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:59 Doodsmack wrote:
This is really mind-boggling that matchfixing going on in this league and KeSPA is silent.

This is actually literally a "killing the scene" type of thing. It's a disgrace to Blizzard, KeSPA, and SC2 that they are silent on the issue.

LOL @ the #throwleague.


actually it seems like they know what they're doing. Talking about it would kill the scene, but if they ignore it, apparently everyone else will, too.

And I don't know if that's because too few people actually care about Starcraft, or what...


There's a strong argument that not talking about it only delays killing the scene, and the longer it goes the worse it gets.


I agree that there should be a statement that shows they at least investigated to the best of their ability. Saying nothing is a joke.

"We checked the replay, ..MK is just bad.. sorry guys"

Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-11 17:49:11
April 11 2015 17:47 GMT
#84
Since this is the most adequate thread for it, have a random factoid. This is how the SPL r2 page currently looks. Note how it has CJ seeded as first into the r2 playoff finals. On an interesting note, that is technically incorrect, they could still get 2nd, if two conditions are met. Number 1, JAGW beats CJ 3-0 on Tuesday. Number 2, CJ gets a map penalty for something. In that case, both teams are at 6-1 with +10 indicator points (map score). In that case it would be either that JAGW gets first (more map wins and won the direct match between the two teams) or they play a tie breaker. <.<

Anyways, just wanted to share. This will probably not become relevant. I don't see these conditions being met.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 21:48:26
April 12 2015 21:26 GMT
#85
oh god, I have no clue how to trade. All or nothing...

They do play with the new patch, right?


So I have Innovation and Hurricane to get rid of. But I need a Terran. So the obvious choice would be to trade Innovation for Dream, but BravO is one not such an easy opponent.
But I could trade InnoVation for Classic on Deadwing vs Journey too, which feels like a much safer pick. But then I need to trade Hurricane for a Terran, which would be Yoda or Guilty. But even with the new patch and even if Dark isn't prepared for some Mecharino, I don't see Guilty beating Dark.
Yoda vs Curious would be really interesting, because Yoda has already shown prepatch that he is well versed vs Mech and has beaten soO. But Expedition Lost is probably the hardest map to try and go full turtlemech on vs Zerg and so many Korean Terrans have done some stupid 2base tank/marine build there that has never worked, that I feel really wonky about trusting Yoda in that game.
Hence, Dream is still probably the better choice for Innovation, which lets me pick any race for the hurricane trade. So I could also pick Curious, Pet, Creator or San. None of which have an easy game either... Maybe pick San?
QQ help me!!!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 23:53:36
April 12 2015 23:53 GMT
#86
On April 10 2015 23:51 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 23:49 ExBoshy wrote:
How are lineups being made?


Teams get a lists of the maps. They choose players to play on each map without knowing who the other team sends out.

Regarding Marineking, I don't get why he's allowed to play. Would really like MVP or Kespa to say something.

is ther any actual proof the match was fixed? no? seriosuly this stuff annoys me so much. innocent until proven guilty. if you can give me concrete evidence then he should be flat out punished, severely for that matter, until then leave it at that
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
April 12 2015 23:54 GMT
#87
On April 11 2015 08:02 LongShot27 wrote:
Zoun vs San should be either Amazing or hilarious....or both

amazingly hilariously will be game of the year
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TheMagicianSC2
Profile Joined May 2013
France74 Posts
April 13 2015 01:16 GMT
#88
So funny to see all of you guys asking a statement from MVP.
You all just want to eat as much drama as you can.

He will play this match. This is a statement.

Come on MK you can win this match !

And let all this drama queens shut the fuck up
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MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-13 02:20:12
April 13 2015 02:14 GMT
#89
Stats < Yonghwa Cuz Yonghwa can cook up some awesome shit from evil coach Choya
Flash > Panic dunno bout his chances against Flash who beat Super fairly easily
Zest < Marinkeing Macro vs Macro? MK got this.
Life > Losira Losira lost 0-3 to Hyun, definitely can't beat Life then

My KT Standards, they will send out Zest for Ace, MVP should know this so they will send out Yonghwa or MK to kill him.
Ace:

Zest < Yonghwa/Marineking
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 13 2015 02:17 GMT
#90
die die die jin air

dieeeeeeeeee
rip passion
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