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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 28 2015 23:16 dazed25 wrote: Seems like Trap, Dream, and Stats are the popular value picks in this thread :O Well they're all very decently priced and are very solid players who will probably be >50% WR, so it doesn't surprise me much. I'm much more surprised by so few people picking Solar and/or Flash. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On February 28 2015 23:16 dazed25 wrote: Seems like Trap, Dream, and Stats are the popular value picks in this thread :O trap for 2 is really good | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On February 28 2015 23:22 OtherWorld wrote: Well they're all very decently priced and are very solid players who will probably be >50% WR, so it doesn't surprise me much. I'm much more surprised by so few people picking Solar and/or Flash. Trap is pretty much a mandatory pick, especially for a week 1. He's 2 points, which is the lowest price for players on SKT/JAGW/KT, he's playing week 1 against someone he can beat, and he actually looks amazing right now (see IEM qualifier). I would have picked Trap if he was 4, even. Anyone who doesn't have Trap on their team is doing something wrong! Dream is also a nice pick, but he's not the greatest week 1 pick... While I think he's absolutely favored against Keen, I doubt he'll actually be playing. So, he only gets 2 points this week instead. But, because he's likely to be playing in the future matches, and he's still very cheap (4), I think it's still a good idea to get him now. His price is likely to just go up... Stats is also one of the best Protoss players right now, so it's no surprise to see people pick him up for only 6. I imagine he'll be played every week, with maybe Flash being the switched out player for the occasional TY. Regarding Flash and Solar... While I think they are both good picks, I have my doubts whether or not they will be bringing in a huge points like Dark or Rogue did. They were the two most cost-INEFFICIENT players last PL, with Solar actually managing to go negative. That like, NEVER happens, and certainly not with a player with an initial cost of 8. But Solar looked pretty good when he played a couple nights ago, so I think he has potential to be... better than before... But it's not something I can count on. Flash? Eh, he might do okay. I think he will get 15 points, which is just a bit below the ideal ratio of points/cost. | ||
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dazed25
3566 Posts
redeem team 3.0 Main Team 4  Dream2  First (captain)6 Flash5  soO6 Stats2 Trap5 KT Rolster Anti Team 3 Bomber4 Hush6 MarineKingI'm pretty happy with my main team but I'm unsure about my anti team. I just hope MK is still as useless in any matchup that isn't TvP. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 01 2015 00:24 Blargh wrote: Trap is pretty much a mandatory pick, especially for a week 1. He's 2 points, which is the lowest price for players on SKT/JAGW/KT, he's playing week 1 against someone he can beat, and he actually looks amazing right now (see IEM qualifier). I would have picked Trap if he was 4, even. Anyone who doesn't have Trap on their team is doing something wrong! Dream is also a nice pick, but he's not the greatest week 1 pick... While I think he's absolutely favored against Keen, I doubt he'll actually be playing. So, he only gets 2 points this week instead. But, because he's likely to be playing in the future matches, and he's still very cheap (4), I think it's still a good idea to get him now. His price is likely to just go up... Stats is also one of the best Protoss players right now, so it's no surprise to see people pick him up for only 6. I imagine he'll be played every week, with maybe Flash being the switched out player for the occasional TY. Regarding Flash and Solar... While I think they are both good picks, I have my doubts whether or not they will be bringing in a huge points like Dark or Rogue did. They were the two most cost-INEFFICIENT players last PL, with Solar actually managing to go negative. That like, NEVER happens, and certainly not with a player with an initial cost of 8. But Solar looked pretty good when he played a couple nights ago, so I think he has potential to be... better than before... But it's not something I can count on. Flash? Eh, he might do okay. I think he will get 15 points, which is just a bit below the ideal ratio of points/cost. I agree about Trap and Dream. As for Stats well yeah I hesitated to put him on my team instead of Flash, but I think that Ryu Won won't dare to bench Flash even once while Stats will probably be part of a turnover with TY to assist a Life/Flash/Zest core. And I can't believe Solar and Flash won't do well this round. They are players who are top-tiers of their respective race, and while they can have a bad period of a month or two I don't think that will extend to this round. I even expect Flash to go 7-0 or 6-1 tbh. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On February 28 2015 23:22 OtherWorld wrote: Well they're all very decently priced and are very solid players who will probably be >50% WR, so it doesn't surprise me much. I'm much more surprised by so few people picking Solar and/or Flash. You are? After their first round and their week 1 opponents they're 6 points. Their pricing surprised me the most. Neither should be more than 5. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 01 2015 00:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: You are? After their first round and their week 1 opponents they're 6 points. Their pricing surprised me the most. Neither should be more than 5. I dunno, Flash is pretty much guaranteed to play every week and judging from Round 1 Solar is Khan's ace no matter what. Additionally I think they'll both be back in form soon, but I don't know if lichter choses the prizes purely based on Round 1's results and the expected playtime of the players or if individual leagues' results factor in as well. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 01 2015 00:50 Ej_ wrote: I think people are forgetting to mention soO who's a VERY good player, on the best team, for 5 points and gets a YoDa out of everyone for his first game. Yeah, I eventually moved my team around and got soO. That deal just seems too good out the gate. I'd be floored if Yoda won that given his recent form. soO is kind of a bad long term pick given SKT's depth though. I hope to quickly trade him. Curious is only slightly favored vs. HerO imo, but he seems like the best I could get based on this configuration. Main Team 7 ByuL1 Center5 Curious8 Dark5 soO2 Trap (captain)2 MVP Anti Team 5 MyuNgSiK3 Pet5 YoDa | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
The Templars Main Team 2 Billowy2 DynaMite (captain)7 Leenock6 Solar5 soO2 Trap6 SK Telecom T1 Anti Team 3 Bomber7 Cure3 Pet | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Main Team 4 Dream8 Maru (captain)2 PenguiN2 Trap4 TY5 YoDa5 Jin Air Green Wings Anti Team 5 Classic3 HerO5 soO | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 01 2015 00:59 The_Templar wrote: OK, I'm pretty happy with this one. The Templars Main Team 2 Billowy2 DynaMite (captain)7 Leenock6 Solar5 soO2 Trap6 SK Telecom T1 Anti Team 3 Bomber7 Cure3 Petare you sure about cure on the anti? i mean he doesn't play in week one, but still..^^ | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On March 01 2015 01:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: are you sure about cure on the anti? i mean he doesn't play in week one, but still..^^ I know it's a risk, but it's offset by getting two players that are pretty likely to win 0 games this round on a weak team. | ||
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dazed25
3566 Posts
On March 01 2015 00:59 The_Templar wrote: OK, I'm pretty happy with this one. The Templars Main Team 2 Billowy2 DynaMite (captain)7 Leenock6 Solar5 soO2 Trap6 SK Telecom T1 Anti Team 3 Bomber7 Cure3 PetThat's a really nice looking team. Leenock and Solar should be featured in ace matches, while soO and Trap seem like really great value picks. Cure on anti seems crazy though. I'd totally go for Creator or Yongwha if I wanted to go for a 7 pointer. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On March 01 2015 01:31 dazed25 wrote: That's a really nice looking team. Leenock and Solar should be featured in ace matches, while soO and Trap seem like really great value picks. Cure on anti seems crazy though. I'd totally go for Creator or Yongwha if I wanted to go for a 7 pointer. I play a very trade-heavy style, and Creator and YongHwa have decent chances of winning their matches this week (yes, Creator has a chance of beating INnoVation). So I can trade Cure away if it's looking like he'll win next week. I doubt he will win an ace match this week for several reasons. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
TheKartoffels Main Team 3 KeeN7 Leenock (captain)6 Solar5 soO2 Terminator2 Trap5 KT Rolster Anti Team 3 Pet6 Rogue4 sKyHighOnce again, no idea what I'm doing. :D | ||
Elentos
55566 Posts
On February 28 2015 01:14 Elentos wrote: Team Low Expectations Main Team 2 Action6 Flash (captain)6 Rogue2 Terminator4 TY5 YoDa5 KT Rolster Anti Team 5 Classic2 TaeJa7 YongHwaThis won't end well  Edit: Low Expectations because no player on the main team has a value higher than 6. Team Low Expectations 2.0 Main Team 4 Dream6 Flash (captain)3 KeeN5 San5 soO2 Trap5 KT Rolster Anti Team 5 Classic6 MarineKing2 TaeJaRevamped some things. Dream for TY because he's likely to see play more often. KeeN for Action because KeeN is very solid and likely to be a regular for Prime. Trap for Terminator because that's a steal and he has a solid shot at winning on day 1. soO for Yoda because he's likely to win the match between them. San for Rogue to keep the budget in check and because I think he'll be solid for ST-Y. Switched YongHwa for MarineKing because I think YongHwa won't be fielded as often but have a better winrate. | ||
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hoop1
Spain242 Posts
On February 28 2015 05:33 hoop1 wrote: hoop's harem Main Team 7 ByuL8 Dark1 Has6 Rogue1 Vanilla (captain)5 YoDa2 [tlpd#teams##hots]StarTale + YFW[/tlpd] Anti Team 3 HerO4 sKyHigh6 SolarLets see if Solar underperforms once more! I have 2 more drafts, IDK which one to use: #1 Main Team 7 Losira2 Reality6 Rogue5 soO6 Stats2 Trap (captain)2 [tlpd#teams##hots]StarTale + YFW[/tlpd] Anti Team 4 Hush4 sKyHigh5 YoDa#2 Main Team 8 - ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) Bbyong8 - ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png) Dark4 - Dream1 - ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png) Has5 - soO2 - Trap (captain)2 - Team StarTale + YFW Anti Team 5 - MyuNgSiK4 - sKyHigh4 - TY | ||
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GoraKasul
38 Posts
Main Team 7 ByuL (captain)6 Rogue6 Stats4 Dream3 Shine2 Trap2 StarTale + YFW ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/6/60/StYoeLogo_std.png) Anti Team 6 Dear6 MarineKing1 StorkThought on the picks: Main Team 7 ByuL (captain)-went 5-3 last round, a staple of CJ and a potential ace player. With a 3 points/cost ratio (P/C) he's one of the best "bang for your buck" players this round. 6 Rogue-a solid 4-2 last round, plays almost all the time and has a P/C ratio of 3. JIN will win a lot which means additional points just from being on the right team. 6 Stats-similar to Rogue; 4-1 wins last round, will play in most matches and has one of the most impressive win ratios of last round. P/C ratio of 2.83 which is still awesome. 4 Dream-66% wins, P/C ratio of 3, semifinalist of NSSL and gets points from SKT winning even if he does not play. Easy pick... 3 Shine-the only "meh"-pick in my team. Not because he is bad value (P/C ratio of 2.67, best among the 3 pointers) but rather because he plays another player of my team during the first week so I'll get a maximum of 4 points out of 2 picks which is generally considered to be bad. Still 2-1 win rate and will probably get enough playtime on SAM. 2 Trap-P/C ratio of 4 which is insane. 1-1 last round so we'll see how much playtime he actually gets. Even without that he'll get enough just from JIN winning. 2 StarTale + YFW -STY was awesome last round but with Life gone... still a pretty good pickup at 2 points. Could/should win against teams like PRM, SAM and MVP so probably good value. 5 P/C ratio last round. Anti Team 6 Dear-What? Dear? The only really good player on SAM? Yes, indeed. Only a meager 9 points last round, 1.5 P/C ratio, 3-3 in games and plays Maru in the first week. 6 MarineKing-a solid 22% winrate last round and tends to crack under pressure. 1.5 P/C ratio... 1 Stork-SAM seems to be the worst time at the moment so I doubt that he'll get more than 1-2 points. A couple of other good value players for the main team can be found here which is an excerpt from the spreadsheet I'm using for FPL, sorted by Price per Cost (P/C). Generally speaking you want players with >2.5 on your main team and players with <1.5 on your anti. Other important parts to consider are whether they play in the first week and whether they have a realistic chance to win their match. Another important parts are Games per Cost (G/P) which indicates how much playtime they will probably see. While the number of matches played is not a guarantee for points it increases their chance of being able to earn points for your team. Everything >=0.75 can be considered as a solid pick. Since this is only the second round the stats are not too accurate, so it's wise to take everything with a grain of salt and factor in the things that have changes since the last round (Life to KT, etc.). If you're interested in more in-depth discussion regarding team picks, trading and stuff like that in the future you can send me a PM. I'm always looking for knowledgeable people who put some amount of thought into their picks and like to share/discuss their ideas. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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