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[WCS] Premier Ro32 Group E Preview - S1 2015

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[WCS] Premier Ro32 Group E Preview - S1 2015

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February 21st, 2015 07:27 GMT
2015 WCS Season 1

WCS Season One
Premier League



WCS Ro32 Group E
puCK, FireCake, Sen, ForGG

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WCS Premier League
Ro32 Group E


Saturday, Feb 21 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)


The revamped World Championship Series is the tournament that gathers all of the world's best foreigners into one league. It is the pinnacle of competition, and everyone has a chance of making it as long as they have the skill, the determination, and a valid passport. Except if you come from a state or country with incompatible sports gambling laws, that is.

As one of the bigger controversies for the new system, (P)puCK was almost completely barred from competing in Premier League due to a few quirky state laws. Some state laws considered Blizzard's sponsorship of the game it created a form of conflict of interest, and the lateness in which the WCS Handbook was released meant that puCK would not have been able to switch states in time for his group. Fortunately, a solution was found and the American protoss won't have to forfeit his spot in the Round of 32.

For now, he's still in Premier League, but he faces a tough challenge in keeping his dreams alive. puCK may have developed a reputation for being a tough and resilient sunofabitch, but it takes more than going down with a fight to survive in Premier League. As mentioned in previous articles, puCK enjoys playing a reactive and versatile style. He looks at his opponents' plans and tries to fashion a suitable response as proven by his manhandling of Guitarcheese in Challenger. Though he does like to use immortal based armies for PvZ, he isn't averse to other tech paths when necessary. PvZ remains his best matchup, and we'll likely get to see how puCK handles late game scenarios in his first match of the night.

That first obstacle will be the notorious (Z)FireCake, and a very long, drawn out series could be in store for us. FireCake revels in playing the most frustrating styles possible, and his play often matches his persona: infuriating, brash, and unapologetic. While some have earmarked him as a Stephano 2.0, the Frenchman has yet to hit the heights of his predecessor, and it's difficult to believe he can invent something as reviled as the Stephano Roach Max. He defeated Starbuck in Challenger League by simply playing better, and there was little to draw from that series aside from the fact that he deserves to be here.

If there's one thing to expect, it's probably swarm hosts against puCK, and ForGG's mech should it happen. He's not quite as mobile as Soulkey or as positionally aware as Snute, but FireCake knows how to drain the spirit from his opponents, and that's gotta count for something. Be ready for a long night.

Although one of the above players will end up in the winners' match, it's hard to argue that they'd be the favorites against the other two members of the group.

As one of the most successful foreigners of all time, (Z)Sen has reached that mythical stage in his career where everybody respects him and nobody can ever count him out of randomly winning any tournament he enters. In 2014, he did it twice, first in January at ECL and then at Taiwan Open in August. Everyone knows by now that he's one of the few foreigners that has won a big tournament attended by Koreans in the past 3 years, and it's customary for him to throw his name into the ballot for best foreigner of the year out of nowhere. The well-loved old timer is just a gift that keeps on giving, and he's become one of the most universally liked players of all time.

That said, WCS just hasn't been his tournament. He's never made it past of the Ro16, and he's even had stints in Challenger League. That's really bizarre for someone that can beat Bomber in a finals, albeit on home soil, and it seems like there's just something standing in his way in tournaments called WCS. Regularity isn't something Sen has been good at over the years, and his losses have often come in normal games. His experience against Has (who he dominates) and other Chinese and Taiwanese players has essentially made him immune to weirdness, and he could find himself in a hole if his groupmates play standard. His recent poor showing at IEM Taipei, where he crashed out 0-4 in a tough group, doesn't bode well for him, but that has always been Sen's way. Suck sometimes, win sometimes, smile all the time.

Unfortunately, he has to face (T)ForGG in his first match of the evening. The Millenium terran finally broke his duck at DreamHack Winter, but it seems like that tournament could remain the exception rather than the start of a new trend. A good string of results was dampened by a disappointing Ro16 exit at IEM Taipei, where ForGG lost all 4 of his games. He was ousted with a whimper, and he didn't even manage to beat Life, who he appeared to have had figured out at DreamHack. His play was poor and rusty, and he showed none of the decisiveness and control that allowed him to claim his first title. The banshee-infused mech play that he had used to down Life looked impotent the third time around, and it now looks like DreamHack was just a moment of inspiration.

Even with these tempered expectations, ForGG should still win Group E. He's on a 35 match unbeaten run against foreigners, and his 75% winrate against them is still strong. Against zerg, expect him to play the same banshee mech style that he's revived in recent months, though playing bio is not out of the question. He's far more standard in TvP, and there's little question that the quality of opposition in this group is far less than what he's had to beat since his quarter final exit in WCS EU S3. ForGG gets to play this group on home turf, and he's not going to lose to foreigners just yet.

Overall thoughts and prediction:

puCK and FireCake strolled through Challenger League, but they now have to face two of the oldest and most experienced players in SC2. Sen and ForGG are both Premier Tournament winners, and their pedigree alone should make them favorites. While ForGG is almost certain of advancement, Sen has traditionally struggled in WCS having never made it past the Ro16. That's a big question mark on his resume, and it's not inconceivable that a good plan from either puCK or FireCake could knock him out.

puCK > FireCake
Sen < ForGG
FireCake < Sen
puCK < ForGG
Sen < puCK

(T)ForGG and (P)puCK to advance.

Writers: lichter.
Editors: lichter.
Graphics: v1.
Stats: Aligulac
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 21 2015 07:28 GMT
#2
Since I only ever get 1/2 correctly and ForGG is assured of progressing, I'm not predicting Sen to advance.

Sorry puCK.
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NinaTV
Profile Joined July 2011
27 Posts
February 21 2015 07:33 GMT
#3
On February 21 2015 16:28 lichter wrote:
Since I only ever get 1/2 correctly and ForGG is assured of progressing, I'm not predicting Sen to advance.

Sorry puCK.

It is okay, I have already beaten Sen in WCS before
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13973 Posts
February 21 2015 08:09 GMT
#4
I agree with the predictions
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w3c.TruE
Profile Joined November 2013
Czech Republic1055 Posts
February 21 2015 08:36 GMT
#5
ForGG and Sen. As much as I like puCK to advance, I think he will not make it...
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ProBell
Profile Joined May 2012
Thailand145 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-21 08:52:18
February 21 2015 08:51 GMT
#6
How exactly is this the most "diverse" group? Compare this group to group B for example :/

Looking forward to watching this tho!
PS Ofcourse FogGG and Sen will adv
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 21 2015 09:55 GMT
#7
On February 21 2015 17:51 ProBell wrote:
How exactly is this the most "diverse" group? Compare this group to group B for example :/


well equally diverse but that doesn't sound as HYPE
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 21 2015 10:03 GMT
#8
On February 21 2015 18:55 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 17:51 ProBell wrote:
How exactly is this the most "diverse" group? Compare this group to group B for example :/


well equally diverse but that doesn't sound as HYPE

Someone calls Thorin plz, we need a vid on "When everything is hype, then nothing is hype".
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Spec_x
Profile Joined June 2014
United States7 Posts
February 21 2015 11:07 GMT
#9
Congrats PuCK and ForGG!!!
Shrinkzxo
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
Dotoland672 Posts
February 21 2015 11:37 GMT
#10
On February 21 2015 18:55 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 17:51 ProBell wrote:
How exactly is this the most "diverse" group? Compare this group to group B for example :/


well equally diverse but that doesn't sound as HYPE


even with an HS player!
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 21 2015 12:12 GMT
#11
On February 21 2015 20:37 Shrinkzxo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 18:55 lichter wrote:
On February 21 2015 17:51 ProBell wrote:
How exactly is this the most "diverse" group? Compare this group to group B for example :/


well equally diverse but that doesn't sound as HYPE


even with an HS player!


ahem hearthstone champion
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Megafather
Profile Joined February 2015
138 Posts
February 21 2015 13:07 GMT
#12
ForGG then Sen or Forgg then Puck, or Sen then Puck, or Puck then Sen. Or Firecake in the mix. I'm 100% sure.
Ok ForGG and Sen to be safe. But very upsetable.

ForGG had no chance against Life after that dreamhack finals, and that's not even speaking in hindsight. You don't figure Life out, you do stuff and hope Life doesn't figure you out, at least in that case. Now that i'm thinking of it It's maybe kinda like that in proleague and gsl and ssl too. Scary mutherf....


Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-21 13:34:08
February 21 2015 13:20 GMT
#13
ForGG is in ro16 for sure, but after that I don't know. puCK or Sen : it looks like 50/50 to me.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-21 13:24:56
February 21 2015 13:23 GMT
#14
ForGG is probably a little sad he didn't get to smash some Terrans in his group. He's still the most likely to get through, obviously. Hoping for puCK to make it through aswell. The real question here is, ofc, will the lichter curse hold strong? Will he ever manage to get the predictions completely right? But hey, we can still blame Le ToD for cursing Major, Happy and TargA, so maybe you're just unlucky.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12154 Posts
February 21 2015 13:30 GMT
#15
ForGG + Firecake seemed obvious to me, I didn't take into account that Firecake kind of blocks himself when it comes to Ro32 of WCS though, so maybe that was a bad choice.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 21 2015 14:28 GMT
#16
On February 21 2015 22:30 Nebuchad wrote:
ForGG + Firecake seemed obvious to me, I didn't take into account that Firecake kind of blocks himself when it comes to Ro32 of WCS though, so maybe that was a bad choice.

or that Sen is literally the best foreigner
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
February 21 2015 14:37 GMT
#17
ForGG and Sen for me, without a question.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-21 15:58:18
February 21 2015 15:58 GMT
#18
Sen is like the actual best foreigner besides maybe Snute. ForGG is ForGG, I wouldn't realistic bet against either of them.

MMA has shown us that WCS EU was no joke*. ;/


*unlike wcs foreigner
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Koektrommel
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands47 Posts
February 21 2015 16:47 GMT
#19
4 different nationalities, wow! :O
That's totally a big difference from every single other group.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
February 21 2015 16:57 GMT
#20
"broke his duck"

What?

My most vivid memory of ForGG is Stork absolutely crushing him in BW. I'm not sure if that means I should cheer for him or against him.
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